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I have a 2020 27" iMac. I'v since purchased and returned two of the new 24" versions which I like for various reasons, like speed and such, but returned because I had some trouble getting them setup properly and I noticed that the screens seemed much foggier, less sharp, less contrasty, and somehow less attractive to work on (for me). At first I thought nah, can't be. Then I studied pretty carefully and there seemed to be a distinct difference to the disadvantage of the newer model. Maybe you get accustomed to the new screen, but at the moment I'm still happier with the old 27". Am I crazy? It's possible.
I don't know you...but at least based on this post...I don't think you're crazy?

I just bought a M1 iMac to replace my late 2015 27 inch iMac (i5, 2TB fusion). I created a post on my observations about the move to the M1 a couple of days ago. In that post I stated the only downgrade in this move to the M1 for me is the display. Not only is the size of the 23.5 inch display of the M1 noticeably smaller when working in Lightroom and FCP, but when I compare the displays side-by-side (2015 27 inch 5K & M1 iMac) the 27 inch display is in another league (more contrast, deeper blacks, much better viewing angles). The M1 display is really nice, but the viewing angles are not good. If you view it from anywhere other than straight on....gets washed out looking quickly.

Personally, I don't think we're gonna see another larger iMac. I hope I'm wrong. If so, this sure leaves a huge gap between the 24 M1 iMac and the base Studio with Studio Monitor (approaching $4,000 with keyboard & mouse/trackpad).

I got the M1 iMac from Apple Refurbished ($1,600 for 16GB and 512GB SSD). I've got about 10 days left in the 15 day window to live with it. I'll likely keep it as it is a real upgrade from the 2015 27 inch in every way other than the display (IMO) and it does everything I will likely need for the next 2-3 yrs at least.
 
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Here you go, at about the 6:50 mark in this video, Gurman discusses a future "consumer" (M2 Pro/Max) iMac Pro.

That is an interesting conversation they are having but oh my gosh it goes on forever. I couldn't listen to more than 15 or 20 minutes of it even though they were mentioning things that were new to me and thought provoking.

If we don't end up with a larger all-in-one Mac that is reasonably affordable then I guess I'll end up going with the Studio, but I will regret not having the iMac any longer. But with that said, the new display eliminates the chin and has very thin bezels, so it will look great. And I've got other devices attached to my iMac anyway, so having the computer itself as a separate unit is not such a disadvantage. And if I eventually go to a second display, it will be simple to do.

I think I just talked myself into getting the Mac Studio and new display . . .
 
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Yes, I only watched until Gurman had laid out his overview for how the Apple Silicon lineup will round out. And yep, I think the Studio is a much better mid-tier setup than a well specced iMac. It's better for my purposes anyway, without the, difficult to justify, overhead of the Mac Pro.
 
well well.. I'd like to see this thread in 4 years. In the meantime, I'm planning to get one of the last 2020 5k iMacs because I simply refuse to pay 1600$ for the same display only.
I ended up feeling the same. Just picked up a lovingly used 2020 27” for $1250. The way I’m looking at it is that it’s the important part of a Studio Display (that gorgeous 5K screen) for 3/4 the price and with a free solid computer (3.3GHz i5, 32GB RAM, 512GB SSD) built in to boot.
 
I ended up feeling the same. Just picked up a lovingly used 2020 27” for $1250. The way I’m looking at it is that it’s the important part of a Studio Display (that gorgeous 5K screen) for 3/4 the price and with a free solid computer (3.3GHz i5, 32GB RAM, 512GB SSD) built in to boot.
I ended up replacing my late 2015 27 inch (i5, 2TB fusion) with a 24 M1 (16GB, 512 SSD…from the Apple Refurb site. The M1 is really working well for my use case (mainly Lightroom/Photoshop and to a lessor extent…Final Cut Pro). I was able to reuse the OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and repurpose the 2TB Sabrent Rocket NVMe with TB3 enclosure on the new M1 iMac. I was using the Sabrent with TB3 enclosure (at TB2 speeds) to boot the 2015 27 inch iMac (ie to bypass the slowing internal fusion drive). I now use the Sabrent for my Lightroom Catalog and photos (around 1.2 TB).

I‘m still within the 15 day window for the M1 purchases from Apple. The only other option I’m considering is the 2020 27 inch iMac (3.8 i7, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD, 5500 XT graphics) at $1,650 on Apple Refurb site and then upgrading the RAM myself to 32GB. I think the 27 inch would have better graphics performance….and…I’d get that gorgeous 27 inch display which I think is in another league than the display on the M1.

I’m trying to stick within the sub $2,000 range as I think I can find a solution that will work well for my needs without spending more.

Really, the 23.5 inch display size on the M1 iMac is my only niggle. If I can adjust to it…the M1 is a real keeper for my use case.
 
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I ended up replacing my late 2015 27 inch (i5, 2TB fusion) with a 24 M1 (16GB, 512 SSD…from the Apple Refurb site. The M1 is really working well for my use case (mainly Lightroom/Photoshop and to a lessor extent…Final Cut Pro). I was able to reuse the OWC Thunderbolt 3 dock and repurpose the 2TB Sabrent Rocket NVMe with TB3 enclosure on the new M1 iMac. I was using the Sabrent with TB3 enclosure (at TB2 speeds) to boot the 2015 27 inch iMac (ie to bypass the slowing internal fusion drive). I now use the Sabrent for my Lightroom Catalog and photos (around 1.2 TB).

I‘m still within the 15 day window for the M1 purchases from Apple. The only other option I’m considering is the 2020 27 inch iMac (3.8 i7, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD, 5500 XT graphics) at $1,650 on Apple Refurb site and then upgrading the RAM myself to 32GB.

Really, the 23.5 inch display size on the M1 iMac is my only niggle. If I can adjust to it…the M1 is a real keeper for my use case.
That's awesome! I do love the look of the M1, and the M1 Air I have is buttery smooth with the fairly light use it gets (mostly office, web apps, and programming is what I use my laptop for).

My three biggest considerations for going for a 2020 27" instead of an M1 were as follows:
1. Reliable dual external display support. I run a pair of external screens on my iMac for a total of three. I love screwing around with weird, fun little hacks to make things work but I don't enjoy doing so on a machine I rely on at work.
2. 16GB of RAM max. I keep a lot running on my machine, and I switch between it constantly, and I need my machine to be able to do so smoothly and responsively. I've had 32GB in my school iMacs for years now and would be iffy about going back to 16GB.
3. Pricing. I got a solid deal on a 3.3GHz i5, 32GB RAM, 512GB SSD 2020 27" for $1250 with local pickup here on the forums. A refurbished M1 8-core GPU, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD would set me back $1269 plus tax. For the money, I'm getting quite a bit more computer that'll serve my needs well.

The M1 machines are certainly awesome for what they are, but I just couldn't beat the price to performance/utility ratio I got out of the Intel at this point. I should easily be able to get the next 5-6 years out of it, and that'll make me happy :)
 
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That's awesome! I do love the look of the M1, and the M1 Air I have is buttery smooth with the fairly light use it gets (mostly office, web apps, and programming is what I use my laptop for).

My three biggest considerations for going for a 2020 27" instead of an M1 were as follows:
1. Reliable dual external display support. I run a pair of external screens on my iMac for a total of three. I love screwing around with weird, fun little hacks to make things work but I don't enjoy doing so on a machine I rely on at work.
2. 16GB of RAM max. I keep a lot running on my machine, and I switch between it constantly, and I need my machine to be able to do so smoothly and responsively. I've had 32GB in my school iMacs for years now and would be iffy about going back to 16GB.
3. Pricing. I got a solid deal on a 3.3GHz i5, 32GB RAM, 512GB SSD 2020 27" for $1250 with local pickup here on the forums. A refurbished M1 8-core GPU, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD would set me back $1269 plus tax. For the money, I'm getting quite a bit more computer that'll serve my needs well.

The M1 machines are certainly awesome for what they are, but I just couldn't beat the price to performance/utility ratio I got out of the Intel at this point. I should easily be able to get the next 5-6 years out of it, and that'll make me happy :)
That all makes perfect sense! You got an awesome deal on a great iMac….really hard to pass on a deal like that!!
 
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The fact that the studio display has an A13 in it really makes it seem to me like they're going to release a iMac which is just that display with a better chip
 
I was planning to buy a bigger 27" or 30" iMac this summer after WWDC like many unfortunately this didn't happen. Well... although I didn't need it right now, finally I pulled the trigger yesterday and ordered this 5K iMac from the refurbished store before they all vanish for 2509 CAD + tax total at 2885 CAD, because Apple left a big gap between M1 Mac Mini / 24" iMac and Mac Studio. Besides paying 2000 CAD + tax just for almost the same monitor pissed me off. So, simply I refused to pay 6000 CAD for M1 Max Studio Setup with peripherals.


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Exactly! I don`t want to miss the last units at refurbished store. I just would like to get the high-end model with 5700xt since I play games on windows too and want to be safe for the next a few years until there are more apple silicon models. I have used M1 Mac Mini and still using base model M1 Macbook Air but this was a temporary attempt for me until the bigger Apple Silicon iMac arrives, well since it's confirmed to be dead, time to act before the last 27" models disappear.
You may want to do what I've done (with a need/want for Windows too):
  1. Accept that Bootcamp is dead
  2. Accept that Intel Mac days are numbered
  3. Embrace Apple Silicon
  4. Replace Windows needs the "old fashioned" way, with a dedicated Windows PC
  5. If you go Studio or Mini, the bonus is that you can choose ANY size monitor you want, even ultra-wide (which is what I did).
That ultra-wide is 5K2K. Contrary to the spin-meisters around here trying to frame Studio monitor as the ONE AND ONLY possible choice, my very good eyes are not noticing the difference from my former iMac 27" EXCEPT... now I have twice the WIDTH of screen RE. Obviously, there MUST be a technical difference because I'm spreading 5K over a 40" screen and I'm giving up a few hundred pixels on the height axis... but everything looks just as crisp to my 20:20 eyes.

It comes with more inputs than only thunderbolt, so Studio Ultra plugs right in for Mac things and a dedicated PC (think mini-like case) can plug into another input. The Ultra-wide I chose has split-screen mode which, very simply, creates a situation like TWO iMac 27" screens side by side. In one half, macOS. In the other Windows. When I'm done with either, I can switch the mode to give either system the full width. Other standard inputs of good variety vs being only one connector act as a KVM switch, meaning ONE keyboard and mouse works with BOTH systems.

While I long appreciated iMac 27" as my main machine, I now regret not doing this years ago. I can't believe how much more productive that extra screen RE makes me.

PCs being PCs, you can get a super-powered one in a little case for much less than a base Studio. Some of those little Ryzen boxes are amazing. Or pay a little more than that (meaning only a few hundred not double+ base price more) to get a more loaded model. Go cheap base and then upgrade your own RAM, your own storage, your own GPU, etc. if you like. IMO- this is the best way to scratch the bootcamp itch and keep up with what is extraordinarily obviously where Apple is going with Mac.

Perhaps the "modular" reference in the event had something to do with this concept? Mac + Windows PC + Monitor as separate modules. Unlike my recent experience with my iMac 27", when the new Mac hardware conks it won't take the other 2 with it.
 
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You may want to do what I've done (with a need/want for Windows too):
  1. Accept that Bootcamp is dead
  2. Accept that Intel Mac days are numbered
  3. Embrace Apple Silicon
  4. Replace Windows needs the "old fashioned" way, with a dedicated Windows PC
  5. If you go Studio or Mini, the bonus is that you can choose ANY size monitor you want, even ultra-wide (which is what I did).
That ultra-wide is 5K2K. Contrary to the spin-meisters around here trying to frame Studio monitor as the ONE AND ONLY possible choice, my very good eyes are not noticing the difference from my former iMac 27" EXCEPT... now I have twice the WIDTH of screen RE. Obviously, there MUST be a technical difference because I'm spreading 5K over a 40" screen and I'm giving up a few hundred pixels on the height axis... but everything looks just as crisp to my 20:20 eyes.

It comes with more inputs than only thunderbolt, so Studio Ultra plugs right in for Mac things and a dedicated PC (think mini-like case) can plug into another input. The Ultra-wide I chose has split-screen mode which, very simply, creates a situation like TWO iMac 27" screens side by side. In one half, macOS. In the other Windows. When I'm done with either, I can switch the mode to give either system the full width. Other standard inputs of good variety vs being only one connector act as a KVM switch, meaning ONE keyboard and mouse works with BOTH systems.

While I long appreciated iMac 27" as my main machine, I now regret not doing this years ago. I can't believe how much more productive that extra screen RE makes me.

PCs being PCs, you can get a super-powered one in a little case for much less than a base Studio. Some of those little Ryzen boxes are amazing. Or pay a little more than that (meaning only a few hundred not double+ base price more) to get a more loaded model. Go cheap base and then upgrade your own RAM, your own storage, your own GPU, etc. if you like. IMO- this is the best way to scratch the bootcamp itch and keep up with what is extraordinarily obviously where Apple is going with Mac.

Perhaps the "modular" reference in the event had something to do with this concept? Mac + Windows PC + Monitor as separate modules. Unlike my recent experience with my trusty iMac 27", when the new Mac hardware conks it doesn't take the other 2 with it.


I have used Macs mostly for the last decade, started with macbooks then moved to iMac and loved it to have all in one package. Also it always offered best value with no clutter on the desk.
Before I tried that PC & Mac way, twice.. I had real good itx gaming builds however at the end I always went back to iMac. Also, I had M1 Mac Mini for a while and in the meantime I missed iMac's screen a lot.
Right now, if I want to go with the same route it will cost me a fortune. The M1 Max Studio will cost 3500 CAD alone, then considering I won't afford to get 2300 CAD Studio Display, instead I can get something like this:


On top, building a gaming PC with current prices is another fortune.

Anyway, yesterday I've already placed an order for 5k intel iMac w/ i7 and 5700xt. Even if you want to build a PC with similar components it costs the same as iMac without the display!
 
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Enjoy that iMac 27"- the last of the BOGO new iMacs that could run both macOS and full Windows in ONE box. I was tempted to do the same myself before deciding to go with separates. I'm sure you'll enjoy it for many years.

Thanks mate! This should do the job for the next 3-4 years at least. I had M1 Mac Mini and now M1 macbook air since I moved abroad recently but they lack in graphical power and Mac Studio is too expensive for me at least for now.
 
I was planning to buy a bigger 27" or 30" iMac this summer after WWDC like many unfortunately this didn't happen. Well... although I didn't need it right now, finally I pulled the trigger yesterday and ordered this 5K iMac from the refurbished store before they all vanish for 2509 CAD + tax total at 2885 CAD, because Apple left a big gap between M1 Mac Mini / 24" iMac and Mac Studio. Besides paying 2000 CAD + tax just for almost the same monitor pissed me off. So, simply I refused to pay 6000 CAD for M1 Max Studio Setup with peripherals.


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Nice! I came very close to doing the same! I’m coming from a late 2015 27 inch i5 iMac and was trying to decide between the 2020 iMac with the exact specs as the one you got ($1,659)…..and….the 24 iMac 16GB RAM, 512 GB SSD ($1,609). Both from the Apple Refurb Store. I went for the 24 inch M1….but could have gone either way. Enjoy that big beautiful display:). BTW…if I’d gone the 2020 27 inch route, I’d have upgraded the RAM myself to 32GB (around $150 US).

Like you…I couldn’t justify the Mac Studio (Base) and Studio display for close to $4,000 US for my use case (primarily Lightroom with occasional Final Cut Pro)
 
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I have used Macs mostly for the last decade, started with macbooks then moved to iMac and loved it to have all in one package. Also it always offered best value with no clutter on the desk.
Before I tried that PC & Mac way, twice.. I had real good itx gaming builds however at the end I always went back to iMac. Also, I had M1 Mac Mini for a while and in the meantime I missed iMac's screen a lot.
Right now, if I want to go with the same route it will cost me a fortune. The M1 Max Studio will cost 3500 CAD alone, then considering I won't afford to get 2300 CAD Studio Display, instead I can get something like this:


On top, building a gaming PC with current prices is another fortune.

Anyway, yesterday I've already placed an order for 5k intel iMac w/ i7 and 5700xt. Even if you want to build a PC with similar components it costs the same as iMac without the display!

I would rather not support Huawei or TCL though given their ties to the CCP. Also that panel is only 98% of P3 ;)
 
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The 27" iMac appears to be dead. Whether or not the 27" iMac Pro gets reincarnated with Apple Silicon remains to be seen, but that wouldn't address the cost issue. One of the big draws of the 27" iMac was its value. A 27" iMac Pro doesn't solve that problem, since it would likely be very costly.

If you go Studio or Mini, the bonus is that you can choose ANY size monitor you want, even ultra-wide (which is what I did).

That ultra-wide is 5K2K. Contrary to the spin-meisters around here trying to frame Studio monitor as the ONE AND ONLY possible choice, my very good eyes are not noticing the difference from my former iMac 27" EXCEPT... now I have twice the WIDTH of screen RE. Obviously, there MUST be a technical difference because I'm spreading 5K over a 40" screen and I'm giving up a few hundred pixels on the height axis... but everything looks just as crisp to my 20:20 eyes.
Which monitor? What size and pixel density?

I'm using a 2.5K 30" Apple Cinema HD Display, which has a pixel density of 101 ppi. It looks decent to me, and I prefer its larger default font sizes as compared to my 218 ppi Retina 2017 27" iMac. (In non-Retina terms, the iMac would be equivalent to a 109 ppi screen.) However, the reduced text clarity of the 30" ACD is easy to notice. I'm fine with it, but I'd be lying if I said I can't detect the quality difference between it and my Retina iMac. My ideal would be a "Retina" screen at around 200 ppi, not the 218 ppi that Retina iMacs have.
 
I chose the Dell 40" 5K/2K ultra-wide U4021QW They say it has 140 ppi and it looks super sharp to my, "perfect" 20:20 eyes... as good as my prior iMac 27" that, in conking, took my best monitor down with computing hardware.

Yes, I have an old Mac myself with pre-retina screen and I can see the difference when comparing it to a retina screen. However, comparing this new Dell to my old iMac, I do NOT see a difference... except in having much more horizontal screen RE which is even better than I imagined it would be. Jamming 5K pixels into a 40" diagonal space is a lot of closely-packed pixels. And 2K pixels in a vertical space of a little over 15" is also a LOT of pixels.

The "must be <Apple's exact choice> of ppl" crowd passionately makes that case because either they actually believe that or they are in closet marketing mode trying to "help" Apple sell a monitor that costs about as much as a former iMac 27" but is only the screen instead of a whole computer. They will spin anything less than that exact ppi will be "blurry, ugly, mess"... but that's simply not true... much like the spin of how phablets were "abominations", etc BEFORE Apple rolled out their own and "99% don't need NFC payment functionality" before Apple rolled out Apple Pay. The crowd is fantastic at faulting what Apple doesn't have for sale right now and then flip-flopping to evangelizing that exact thing when Apple gets around to going there.

On this very topic of screen resolution, Apple once had an iPad event in which they rolled out a retina screen on one new iPad and a non-retina on the other. What did the crowd do? Spun why retina was absolutely must-have (upgrade) on the former but was not needed on the latter... until the next year when Apple rolled out a new version of that one with retina... and then retina was THE group spun reason to upgrade. Funny how very passionate opinions evolve WITH whatever Apple has for sale at any given time. ;)

The easiest way to test that wall of spin yourself is take that MB to a retailer with a variety of monitors and hook it up to some of them. Dirt cheap monitors won't look so great. But up at Apple Studio Monitor price points, there are MANY good choices that can look great and deliver desirable consumer options like BIGGER than 27" sizes and/or wider-to-ultra-wide options. I'm no Dell fan at all but I completely love this new monitor vs. my former iMac "best" monitor.

Besides giving me that bigger, ultra-wide I was long-desiring in a new iMac, it also has a KVM hub built in...

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Now that Bootcamp is pretty much dead, those needing Windows too need good solutions. Monitors in this price range can come with many connectors other than only thunderbolt. For example, the one I chose has several video inputs. My new Mac Studio goes into the thunderbolt jack... just as it would if I went with the Studio Monitor. However, when I add a Mac mini-like (sized) PC to get Bootcamp back the old fashioned way, I have available jacks (2 HDMI or 1 DisplayPort) to feed its picture to this same monitor too. This one will even "split screen" so I can have macOS on one half and Windows in the other... at the same time... if I need side-by-side computing. The KVM lets ONE keyboard and mouse work with BOTH platforms.

I'm sure Apple Studio monitor is a great screen because it's largely the same screen many of us know from 27" iMacs. And if case material or Apple logo is paramount in decision making, it's the ONLY desktop option available for less than $6K. But if one can get over those kinds of things, there are MANY good choices for $1500-$2000. I encourage consumers to do the most fundamental consumer thing and shop around. It's very easy to go see some with your own eyes. There's some nice options available out there.
 
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I chose the Dell 40" 5K/2K ultra-wide U4021QW They say it has 140 ppi and it looks super sharp to my, "perfect" 20:20 eyes... as good as my prior iMac 27" that, in conking, took my best monitor down with computing hardware.

Yes, I have an old Mac myself with pre-retina screen and I can see the difference when comparing it to a retina screen. However, comparing this new Dell to my old iMac, I do NOT see a difference... except in having much more horizontal screen RE which is even better than I imagined it would be. Jamming 5K pixels into a 40" diagonal space is a lot of closely-packed pixels. And 2000 pixels in a vertical space of a little over 15" is also a LOT of pixels.

The "must be <Apple's exact choice> of ppl" crowd passionately makes that case because either they actually believe that or they are in closet marketing mode trying to "help" Apple sell a monitor that costs about as much as a former iMac 27" but is only the screen instead of a whole computer. They will spin anything less than that exact ppi will be "blurry, ugly, mess"... but that's simply not true... much like the spin of how phablets were "abominations", etc BEFORE Apple rolled out their own and "99% don't need NFC payment functionality" before Apple rolled out Apple Pay. Our crowd here is fantastic at faulting what Apple doesn't have for see right now and then flip flopping to love that exact thing when Apple gets around to going there.

On this very topic of screen resolution, Apple once had an iPad event in which they rolled out a retina screen on one new iPad and a non-retina on the other. What did the crowd do? Spun why retina was absolutely must have (upgrade) on the former but was not needed on the latter... until the next year when Apple rolled out a new version of that one with retina and then retina was THE group spun reason to upgrade. ;)

The easiest way to test that wall of spin yourself is take that MB to a retailer with a variety of monitors and hook it up. Dirt cheap monitors won't look so great. But up at Apple Studio Monitor price points, there are many good choices that can look great and deliver desirable options like BIGGER than 27" sizes and/or wider-to-ultra-wide options.

I'm sure Apple Studio monitor is a great screen because it's largely the same screen many of us know from 27" iMacs. And if case material or Apple logo is paramount in decision making, it's the ONLY desktop option available for less than $6K. But if one can get over those kinds of things, there are MANY good choices for $1500-$2000. I encourage consumers to do the most fundamental consumer thing and shop around. It's very easy to go see some with your own eyes. There's some nice options available out there.
I'll have to try it, but I am not sure I'd like 140 ppi. Too high for non-Retina, and too low for Retina, and problematic for scaling. That said, it depends on your seating distance. A 40" screen would often be used at a longer seating distance, which would make it more difficult to appreciate the differences in pixel density.

The ideal solution would be to have a super high ppi like 250 ppi, and then just choose whatever scaled resolution you want. A large 250 ppi screen would be impossible for some older or lower end computers to run though and would be hella expensive too, so that isn't happening any time soon. (250 ppi is "normal" for a high end laptop, but those are used a closer seating distance and are costly. Typically the seating distance for a desktop is a bit longer, and the pixel density is lower.)

eg. To get a 250 ppi 31" screen, it'd have to be something like 6720x3880.
 
Yes, again, I see the influences that ultimately point to a "one and only" Apple choice there. I sit no further from this screen than I did from the iMac it replaces. My 20:20 vision does not see a difference in quality... even if move my eyes CLOSER to this screen than normal with the former iMac screen, text, graphics, etc look nice, crisp & clear.

Dell also makes a 8K monitor that is for sale now. However the Apple crowd that puts down all monitors less than Apple Studio resolution will put down much higher than Apple Studio resolution in that monitor for being "too high"... "nobody can see..." etc. So apparently, the ONLY resolution and ppi AND monitor size that is suitable for all people just happens to be the exact one (or ones if you count the $6k one) that Apple has rolled out. Amazing how Apple gets it perfectly right every time... and all other choices are junk/terrible/mistakes. ;)

Take that MB and go try it... and others. Apple Studio pricing brings a lot of great monitors made by others into the competition. Hook up that MB to a few of them and have a look. Let your own eyes be the judge. Honestly, I was a bit nervous about going for this Dell after the wall of negativity about all things non-Apple around here. But wow! I'm impressed and wish I had gone ultra-wide years ago.
 
Yes, again, I see the influences that ultimately point to a "one and only" Apple choice there. I sit no further from this screen than I did from the iMac it replaces. My 20:20 vision does not see a difference in quality... even if move my eyes CLOSER to this screen than normal with the former iMac screen, text, graphics, etc look nice, crisp & clear.

Dell also makes a 8K monitor that is for sale now. However the Apple crowd that puts down all monitors less than Apple Studio resolution will put down much higher than Apple Studio resolution in that monitor for being "too high"... "nobody can see..." etc. So apparently, the ONLY resolution and ppi AND monitor size that is suitable for all people just happens to be the exact one (or ones if you count the $6k one) that Apple has rolled out. Amazing how Apple gets it perfectly right every time... and all other choices are junk/terrible/mistakes. ;)

Take that MB and go try it... and others. Apple Studio pricing brings a lot of great monitors made by others into the competition. Hook up that MB to a few of them and have a look. Let your own eyes be the judge. Honestly, I was a bit nervous about going for this Dell after the wall of negativity about all things non-Apple around here. But wow! I'm impressed and wish I had gone ultra-wide years ago.
That Dell you mention is a 31.5" 280 ppi monitor. At 280 ppi, you can just use a scaled non-native resolution and it would still look great, because the pixel density is so high.

However, the problems are as I've mentioned, which are that the monitor is hella expensive, and most older machines wouldn't even be able to run it. Another problem is Apple support for scaled resolutions is rather lacking. To get around this you can use custom resolutions, but that sometimes causes other problems.
 
Yes, again, this is exactly how these conversations go. All monitors that have any key specs that differ from the Apple one(s) are inferior. All monitors with superior key specs are unsuitable for other reasons. Thus, the ONLY monitor to buy is the Apple one(s).

Your thinking seems to very clearly point to Apple Studio monitor. Go get it man! It's a great screen! We know this because we know how great the iMac 27" screen has been. It appears to be exactly that screen minus the computer for almost as much money as the former iMac 27" price... more if you get stand features that are commonplace on other manufacturer monitors at this price.

Perfect PPI. Perfect screen resolution. Perfect size. Perfect max NITS. Perfect scaling. Perfect quantity and types of ports. Perfect stand options. Perfect build. Perfect logo. Price seems relatively steep but that's a lot of perfection for "only $1500" (or more depending on stand options).

If I wanted exactly that monitor myself, I'd get that monitor. However, I wanted more horizontal screen RE, an easy way to share a new monitor with a PC too when I need "bootcamp" redux, and saw the EOL'ing of iMac 27" plus the death of my own iMac 27" as the perfect opportunity to "think different" and get what I want to pair with a new Studio Ultra. I'm thrilled with my own choice. I encourage others reading this thread to shop around vs. believing that there is only 1 choice.
 
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Yes, again, this is exactly how these conversations go. All monitors that have any key specs that differ from the Apple one(s) are inferior. All monitors with superior key specs are unsuitable for other reasons. Thus, the ONLY monitor to buy is the Apple one(s).

Your thinking seems to very clearly point to Apple Studio monitor. Go get it man! It's a great screen! We know this because we know how great the iMac 27" screen has been. It appears to be exactly that screen minus the computer for almost as much money as the former iMac 27" price... more if you get stand features that are commonplace on other manufacturer monitors at this price.

Perfect PPI. Perfect screen RES. Perfect size. Perfect max NITS. Perfect scaling. Perfect quantity and types of ports. Perfect stand options. Price seems relatively steep but that's a lot of perfection for "only $1500" or more depending on the options.
Nope. You are bringing your own pre-biases into the argument. I never said the Studio Display has perfect size and PPI. In fact, I specifically said in several other posts, including in this very thread, that I don't like the PPI of the Studio Display, and I should know since I own a 5K iMac.

But yeah, I do think you are nuts to suggest a retail $5000 monitor is suitable for the mainstream, even at its sale price of $3800. This is at best a niche monitor in 2022, given its price and given that it is 8K which most older computers can't even drive.
 
I didn't suggest the 8K monitor is suitable for the mainstream. I simply said it exists for those who want to argue more resolution is better, higher ppi is better, etc.

And some of my post was not aimed at you but as a general post to all of the rationale we spin to prop up this ONE monitor vs. all other possibilities.

My one main theme is that $1500-$2000 opens the door to many choices (many sizes, shapes, etc) and people should not be fooled into thinking that only this ONE monitor works well for Macs... no matter how much Apple fans keep slinging the same selling points to help push this one... and bashes to put down everything else.

Step back only a couple of weeks and everyone buying a Mini or Pro had to consider either the $6K one from Apple, buying a long-since discontinued one with an Apple brand on it or other great options from many other manufacturers. Just because Apple rolls out a single monitor doesn't make it the one monitor that is best for all. Lots of us were pretty hungry for a bigger iMac, dreaming of iMac 32" and iMac 30". Now we can readily have those sizes if we want them... just not as an iMac. I was dreaming of an iMac Ultra-Wide and decided to simply build one by buying the screen separate to pair with what I hoped would be Mac Mini with M1 MAX at the event (but become Mac Studio for me) and a Mac Mini-like PC so I can have a functional bootcamp-like option with 1 screen, 1 keyboard, 1 mouse... just like I've enjoyed for > 10 years with iMacs.

Does that mean everyone should go ultra-wide? Of course not. But everyone who was dreaming of something other than 27" CAN at least take a shot at getting what they want in a screen now... vs. having to go only one way, only 1 size, etc.
 
See iPhone launch vs. the mighty, MIGHTY iPod juggernaut that ruled Apple portables at the time.
I (sorta) get your point. But no matter how mighty the iPod was, the iPhone was a world-changing revolutionary piece of tech and comparing the iPod to it is not a valid comparison at all.
 
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