Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Tozovac

macrumors 68040
Jun 12, 2014
3,034
3,233
Generally the redesign of macOS is fine. Only the icons are bad. Really bad, to be honest. Apple has to rework a lot of them and then everything would be fine for me. The good thing is: Reworking icons isn‘t an impossible task. So let us hope for the best.

Couldn’t disagree more. This post by @Traverse captures well a major issue with Apple interfaces over the past half decade (that’s getting worse with Big Slur than better) of reducing as much possible visual and contextual user comprehension affordances. Low-contrast everything, razor-thin font/lines all in a sea of white, medium white, or darker white...buttonless buttons with minimal zoning/framing of similar functions to provide subtle instant context, or buried under icons instead of on-screen, requiring more taps or swipes to do what was previously instant via one action.

Their eradication or minimalization have resulted in for many (me included) an increased burden visually/mentally when having to now pause and focus to find, understand, and then engage on a tool or piece of content that used to “pop out” or seem to “just be where I needed it to be.”


Especially cringe-worthy and headache-inducing to me is Windows 10 and Adobe Acrobat 2017 which were reskinned to follow the iOS7-13 minimal-affordance grey/white low-contrast buttonless borderless theme to a fault. By “to a fault,“ I mean, they successfully iOS-ified most of their controls but at a noticeable cost of efficient function. Adobe Acrobat 2017 is just, just awful — at the least, it’s burdensome because it takes more clicks to enact what used to take one due to a convoluted revised Tools system, but at the worst, it’s less efficient because the reduction of borders between reviewer comments allows everything to blend together (while taking much more space than before) such that it takes a lot more time to identify a certain comment and navigate thru them. Major fail. All this talk from Apple about reducing the interface to not get in the way of the content is resulting in more work because the inneficient tools means more work to navigate the content.

Icons schmicons - if the tools and content are more difficult to identify and engage with before, then who cares if the icons, which you use once upfront to engage with an app, are an abomination?

Sadly, the minimalizing iosification of OSX and the looming cliff drop-off for Intel machines will likely make me return my 2020 MBP before even opening it once it arrives this Thursday. I’ll slug on with my 6 year old MBA for another few years and hope that Bis Blur retains the “reduce transparency,” “show buttons,” and “increase contrast” of iOS for those monsters like myself who take issue with the fragile/vague-looking Apple interfaces.

even windows XP didn’t have that kind of abomination nippled battery.

As I mentioned in another post, it’s rather apt to look like a Martian baby milk bottle, to go along with the Fisher Price My First OSX look thrust upon us in Yosemite.
 
Last edited:

Falhófnir

macrumors 603
Aug 19, 2017
6,146
7,001
The only one I really don't like is losing the LaunchPad rocket :( The rest are the sort of big change you'll get used to (people really objected to the Safari Icon and new battery in iOS 7 but everyone accepts them now) but think the rocket is a bit of history lost, even if it has only been there since Lion...
 
  • Like
Reactions: !!! and illitrate23

Tozovac

macrumors 68040
Jun 12, 2014
3,034
3,233
I think that too. Its hard getting used to icons that look like this after years of flat design. Some are awful though.

It’s actually wonderful. I welcome the return, as I expected to come sooner or later after the flat design fad. If “real life” that we’re all used to is not flat, what was the functional benefit from flat design other than to give some designers something new to try for the past ~decade? I don’t need cheesy skeuomorphism like that battery; I just need (the return to) an interface that is intuitive, and non-flat designs are generally much more intuitive IMHO as it’s much easier for providing context and identifying actionable items vs. info-only items.

Rejoice to the slight return towards sanity! And, hopefully, increased contrast and borders/groupings to define tool families (instead of buttonless icons awash in a sea of borderless, context-free whiteout).
 

Apple Knowledge Navigator

macrumors 68040
Mar 28, 2010
3,677
12,837
I will reserve judgement until we see the icons in more natural setups.

What put me off the U.I yesterday was the fact that it was very iOS-ified, what with the wallpaper selection, the choice of apps on the Dock and the lack of drives on the Desktop etc.

I can imagine that with revisions and in dark mode, it will look pretty good.
 
  • Like
Reactions: chengengaun

narr

macrumors regular
Sep 13, 2012
120
146
finder_icoon.jpg


The finder icon is not even centered. Those icons look rubbish. Hopefully they will get improved.
 
  • Like
Reactions: martyjmclean

Tozovac

macrumors 68040
Jun 12, 2014
3,034
3,233
View attachment 926577

The finder icon is not even centered. Those icons look rubbish. Hopefully they will get improved.

Are you certain the designer’s intent wasn’t to give the right face more prominence?

However if you can’t help but notice that and be bothered by it, I respect that completely. I’m bothered by having to guess whether a button that doesn’t look like a button is a button or not, which is unfortunately looking like a cancer across all of Big Blur and not limited to one icon.
 

narr

macrumors regular
Sep 13, 2012
120
146
It immediately caught my attention and I felt something was off without even looking at the finder icon in detail. The face in the original finder icon is centered. And it makes sense as both faces combined result in one face (centered of course).
 

FNH15

macrumors 6502a
Apr 19, 2011
822
867
The only one I really don't like is losing the LaunchPad rocket :( The rest are the sort of big change you'll get used to (people really objected to the Safari Icon and new battery in iOS 7 but everyone accepts them now) but think the rocket is a bit of history lost, even if it has only been there since Lion...

You can copy over the app from 10.15 - all it is a shortcut. Screen Shot 2020-06-23 at 10.22.25 AM.png

There are many areas of the redesign that I like, but I’ve always had a round icon next to the Finder - hopefully I can revert the Safari icon too...
 

Vidd

macrumors 65816
Mar 7, 2006
1,001
108
There are some real stinkers in there but overall I like the direction.
I disliked the ultra simplistic iOS7 design. A bit detail and life in the icons makes them feel a lot fresher.
 

TheVeganRockstar

macrumors newbie
Jun 23, 2020
1
1
It's not just for the app icons, but icons in general.

The icons in System Preferences are atrocious, especially all the apps right now.

Everything about the new UI I love, including the iOS-like app icons, but they should've just used iOS icons if iOS apps can now run on macOS with ARM processors in the future.

These icons look like they are from a jailbreak tweak. The new folder icons are displeasing, make them like iOS!!!

i remember the days when functionality was of #1 importance And esthetics for MacOS was cooler than we could imagine. Now everyone is a design expert. Lighten up my friends. Life is an evolution. Everything doesn’t need to be a revolution. Pick your battles. ✌🏽❤️🤘🏼
 

Tozovac

macrumors 68040
Jun 12, 2014
3,034
3,233
Now everyone is a design expert.

I think it’s more: now Apple is a fashion company, with function playing a far 3rd place.

Apple’s focus now, in order:

1: profits
2: fashion (thinner hardware and less obtrusive (more vague) software/interface elements than the preceding year)
3: function

And thus, all the battles, since many of us preferred the old underdog post-iPod new-iPhone pre-iPad era when Apple‘s focus was more on:

1a: function that’s effortlessly intuitive, packaged in...
1b: ...class-leading fashion that’s the “surprise and delight” and not the main course, in order to grow...
2: profits
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: !!!
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.