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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming
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People are saying that for true hi-fidelity data storage, you can't beat vinyl. And for the most faithful reproduction of the original data, you can't beat the precision of 33 1/3 rpm. That's 156 times slower, and therefore (some people are saying) 156 times BETTER than today"s 5200 rpm little spinners.
How is life treating you in 2011?
There is no situation where a 5400 spinner is adequate for a computer in 2017 - especially at Apple's inflated prices. Full stop.
Agree. Fusion sucks. Always has.
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Then they will keep on losing customers.
Some users even think already the hard drive was an evolutionary dead-end and Apple should've stuck to floppy drives. You are likely to be wrong on that one. I would be quite surprised if they ever sell another computer with a 5400 spinner. They will get laughed out of the tech world if they do. Reviewers overwhelmingly crapped all over Apple for putting a spinner in the retina imac (with good reason).
Face facts: selling a computer with a 5400 spinner in the year 2017 is beyond a farce.
Finally, someone who gets it. Thank you. A pleasure to meet intelligent life form
Ummm, with increasing demands by software and file size (eg 4K on iPhone), customers absolutely NEED faster storage. Don't tell me all these files can live in RAM. Apple NEEDS to put it in to ensure an adequate customer experience.
The only customers who don't DESIRE SSDs are the ones who've never used it. I.e Mom and pops who haven't upgraded their computer in several years. Nobody, Apple esp, should be selling a computer in 2017 that doesn't offer a dramatic performance boost. Once people know, everyone DESIRES SSDs. Only a fool wouldn't.
At this point, it must be more COST EFFECTIVE for Apple, (huge consumer of flash storage in all manner of products), to put this into ALL of their products - economies of scale and all that. So why don't they you ask? Because they know, we know about flash, so they offer it as an upgrade: a price gouge, pure and simple. Greed at its worst from the world's richest tech company.
Typically, the only people buying the absolute base model with pure HDD, just like those who bought the 16GB iPhones, know nothing about tech and are the least capable of dealing with issues. The ones who have to PAY others to look at/sort it out. And/or they just replace it. Nothing COST EFFECTIVE there from the consumer's point of view. Just bad bad bad from Apple's end for even making such an awful option available.
[Note, the only redeeming feature previously was the ability to easily swap parts out for SSD and extra RAM, but then they took that away too...]
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Sometimes they can be the same thing. My opinion is the sky is blue. Apple sees the sheeples coming over the mountain and grinds them up as they pass. SSD? Sure, give us $300. PATHETIC.
In your opinion.
Your desire/needs (and opinion), your money, your choice.
In fact, HDD storage is the base spec for the Mac Mini and iMac range. In my opinion it will almost certainly remain so.
In fact, no one is obliged to accept HDD.
In your superior opinion, only an ignorant pleb or aged mom & pop would accept HDD. Thus it should be dropped in favour of SSD, which you seem to see as a smart marketing move. Keeps the brand exclusive and all that.
In my humble opinion, having the choice allows folks to spec a Mac Mini to their desire, needs and budget.
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I've reached my own moment of truth; my trusty 2010 mini has started to throw hardware errors and reboot randomly. At this point, there's really no Apple hardware that really grabs my interest, either in price or performance.
Moreover, the difference between macOS and Linux in UI or in available apps is nowhere near what it was ten years ago when I purchased my first mini.So, surprising as it is to hear myself say it, I have no running macOS devices any more. I have three Linux boxes up and running now, and am starting to piece together a fourth.
The new Mac mini may almost certainly be coming, but until it does (and unless it is a doozy of a machine), I'll be doing my computing on non-Apple devices...
The thing is, my "opinion" does not just include Macs. ANY computer should have an SSD these days. Just because that is the way Apple always did it does not make it "right" or "appropriate" for today's computing times. Apple themselves are the first to get rid of dead tech ... sometimes. Cdrom, ports, etc.
" an ignorant pleb or aged mom & pop" are precisely the people who should get a standard SSD. Because in 2017, why should they have a slow crappy slow crappy slow crappy computing experience? Why?
There should be no HDD option. Fusion drives should be standard for baseline Mac Minis It should be a 500GB fusion drive and Apple should swallow the extra costs as a 5400RPM drive is disgusting in 2017 given what Apple charges.
I just took a look on Amazon (in the US). You can get a 500gb 2.5 inch HDD for $5.
https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st_price-asc-rank?keywords=500+gb+2.5+internal+hard+drive&rh=i:aps,k:500+gb+2.5+internal+hard+drive&qid=1495945064&sort=price-asc-rank
A 500gb SSD will cost at least $130.
https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st_relevancerank?keywords=500+gb+ssd&fst=asn&rh=k:500+gb+ssd,n:172282,n:541966,n:1292110011&qid=1495945362&sort=relevancerank
Can anyone guess why Apple likes to put 500gb HDD's in their computers?
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https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st_price-asc-rank?keywords=500+gb+2.5+internal+hard+drive&rh=i:aps,k:500+gb+2.5+internal+hard+drive&qid=1495945064&sort=price-asc-rank
A 500gb SSD will cost at least $130.
https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st_relevancerank?keywords=500+gb+ssd&fst=asn&rh=k:500+gb+ssd,n:172282,n:541966,n:1292110011&qid=1495945362&sort=relevancerank
Can anyone guess why Apple likes to put 500gb HDD's in their computers?
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Ha ha. That'd be a case, not a HDD...
But nice try.
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Ha ha. That'd be a case, not a HDD...
But nice try.
Lol...remember when the Mac Mins were always in the top 10 Amazon best top 100 sellers list constantly for the 2012 models.
Now they are at 86 and 94.
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Desktop-Computers/zgbs/electronics/565098#5
The Mac Mini is dead.
Now they are at 86 and 94.
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Desktop-Computers/zgbs/electronics/565098#5
The Mac Mini is dead.
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That is a USB case, not an actual drive.
Try Harder.
You do realize that upping the cost of the Mac Mini, for the sake of an SSD, would lessen the effect of the Mini eating into sales of more expensive Macs, right?
Ahh, nevermind - not worth it.
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Have you ever replaced the PRAM battery? The symptoms sound like it could be the battery failing.
Oops, that should teach me not to post late at night. You can get a 500gb 2.5" HDD for $35. But the reason the 500gb HDD is in the base mini, rather than an SSD, is pretty clear, it's price and it's profit. Apple has to have their 40% margin, so if you want a $500 computer from them, it's going to have the 5400 spinner. I don't have a problem with that, as long as the disk can be replaced by the user, as I have in my 2011 MacBook Pro and my 2012 mini.
I suppose I could try that, or see if there may be some other inexpensive repair work available for the machine.
But honestly, I'm thinking that time and money spent trying to repair old Apple hardware might be time and money better spent constructing fresh new Linux hardware. Right now, under Linux, I have access to hardware that is more powerful and less expensive than anything Apple offers. Even if I do repair the mini, I'm just not sure that there's any future for macOS anymore; at least not for my needs.
Agreed, but too bad Apple took the anti-consumer path, and gave us the horrible 2014 Mac mini. That is something that is difficult to forgive and something that I will make sure never makes it into the house of my fiends and family.
I can't in good conscience advocate for that thing as a daily driver.