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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming

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sublunar

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Hmmm... Maybe I should get a Mac Studio with 64 GB RAM. o_O

Apple Photos should not be doing this. I have a little under 60000 items in my Photos library and initiated an export of all the unmodified masters for a backup. For the past half an hour Photos has pegged one core at 100% (so I guess this workload isn't parallelized). It has accumulated insane amounts of memory usage, and it is continuing to rise.

Note these are UNMODIFIED photos. It just has to copy them out to another drive. Why the hell is Photos doing this?

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Interestingly, memory pressure isn't in the red yet though, and the machine is still usable.
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If photos is single threaded then I doubt an M1 Max would help over an m1 as the single thread performance is identical and m2 is a small percentage is better.

Would it be a stretch to blame the photos software in this case? 😀

Apple should have kept aperture going. 😂
 
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sublunar said:
For work purposes you’d be able to get it back as an expense, as a U.K. user I’d be looking to see how Apple revalue M1 Max base studio refurbs once the M2 mini and studio comes out. This is because I think it’s obvious the new retail prices will go up but that might leave a question mark over how they price up a base M1 Max studio (currently refurbished as £1799).

Will they increase the base price of the discontinued M1 Max studio to £2199 thus increasing the price of the discounted refurb to almost £2k?

If they don’t it’ll become the No brainer purchase when the M2 max is out, and then we have the laptops.

The percentage discount on the M1 Pro MacBook Pros has increased making them cheaper for the moment (as little as £1619 now for a base model refurb) but what if the m2 pro macs go up in price too?
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In the US, you'd have to apportion the use between personal and business and it's a pain in the neck to keep records for that. It was a great way to write off your car in the old days but Congress decided to tax and require record-keeping for fringe benefits. The other approach would be to buy one system for personal and another for business but you'd have to switch back and forth.

I actually think that the base studio is a good value for what it gives you but that's mainly because a mini with a lot of options is such a bad value. I could also see Apple raising prices on the Studio because of generally higher supply chain costs, labor costs and the various reasons causing global inflation. You're going to be getting a lot more in an M2 or M3 Studio, particularly 3 or 4 nm, probably 8k video, maybe higher bandwidth too.

If they do a process shrink, then the M2 MacBook Pro will be killer. I won't buy one because my M1 Pro is really great but I'd guess more battery life which is about the only thing that would motivate me in a laptop these days. A 15 inch Air on 3 nm would be a killer product too.

I much prefer a laptop and a desktop so that I don't have to plug/unplug and it just works better as I am usually in one of two places and I don't like to have to carry my laptop around with me.
 
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sublunar said:
If photos is single threaded then I doubt an M1 Max would help over an m1 as the single thread performance is identical and m2 is a small percentage is better.

Would it be a stretch to blame the photos software in this case? 😀

Apple should have kept aperture going. 😂
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I was joking of course, but my point about the Mac Studio was for the memory, not the SoC per se.

Anyhow, Photos just crashed after an hour or so. That's braindead. I see there is a third party app out there that will do this, and the app is only about 9 MB. However, they charge an arm and a leg for this functionality. Really, Apple needs to fix this, as it should be dead simple to do. I guess what I'll try to do is just do a portion of the pix at a time.

I've backed up the Photos library but it's a pain getting the images out of it. I'd much rather have BOTH the Photos library backup, and a backup of the original files separately.

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I wonder if the may just do what they did with the M1 iMac and give us 2 USB-C plus 2 TB4, and get rid of USB-A ports altogether.


The CalDigit Thunderbolt 4 Element Hub seemed like a nice solution until I found out it overheats. 😕

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Pity about the smaller hubs there, I use the full size ts hubs with no issues aside from a coil whine when powered down.
 
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If the new Mac mini comes in spring, that's getting close to the back-to-school sale.
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I know there is a lot of lead time from spring (late March to mid June) to back to school (generally late August to early September) but that seems to be kind of messed up.
 
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Pity about the smaller hubs there, I use the full size ts hubs with no issues aside from a coil whine when powered down.
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Yeah. I wonder under what circumstances they are overheating though. When charging a MacBook Pro at the same time? Cuz otherwise it seems like that CalDigit Thunderbolt 4 Element Hub would be good for me.

There is the CalDigit TS4 which is their replacement for the TS3 Plus and includes Ethernet 2.5G but it's insanely expensive shipped to Canada, over CA$600 after tax. At those prices it would make sense to get a Mac Studio just for the extra ports. Mind you, Apple sells the TS3 Plus for CA$350, which works out to CA$395 (US$293) after tax. That's barely more than the Element Hub.

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I know there is a lot of lead time from spring (late March to mid June) to back to school (generally late August to early September) but that seems to be kind of messed up.
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The Apple Back to University promotion in Canada started June 24 this year. However, it's moot because the Mac mini wasn't included (and neither was the Mac Studio).

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Yeah. I wonder under what circumstances they are overheating though. When charging a MacBook Pro at the same time? Cuz otherwise it seems like that CalDigit Thunderbolt 4 Element Hub would be good for me.

There is the CalDigit TS4 which is their replacement for the TS3 Plus and includes Ethernet 2.5G but it's insanely expensive shipped to Canada, over CA$600 after tax. At those prices it would make sense to get a Mac Studio just for the extra ports. Mind you, Apple sells the TS3 Plus for CA$350, which works out to CA$395 (US$293) after tax. That's barely more than the Element Hub.


The Apple Back to University promotion in Canada started June 24 this year. However, it's moot because the Mac mini wasn't included (and neither was the Mac Studio).

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A thunderbolt hub only makes sense for a laptop, it becomes a marginal case for a laptop - I already have a Thunderbolt 2 dock which would be great paired with an M2 mini or iMac 24 (I have the Thunderbolt 3 adapter, and the TB2 docks don't deliver power anyway).

They are a pricey option if you really wanted to buy a mini but wanted more ports. I already have a dock so it’s no problem to recycle.

Mac Studio just makes sense if you're only after more high performance ports on a desktop

EDIT (will leave original typo in): A thunderbolt hub only makes sense for a laptop, it becomes a marginal case for a desktop.
 
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M2 Mac mini:
  • 8-core CPU (4P/4E)
  • 10-core GPU
  • 12GB LPDDR5 SDRAM
  • 100GB/s UMA bandwidth
  • 512GB SSD
  • Gigabit Ethernet
  • US$999
M2 Pro Mac mini:
  • 12-core CPU (8P/4E)
  • 20-core GPU
  • 24GB LPDDR5 SDRAM
  • 200GB/s UMA bandwidth
  • 512GB SSD
  • Gigabit Ethernet
  • US$1499
One can dream...! ;^p
 
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Boil said:
M2 Mac mini:
  • 8-core CPU (4P/4E)
  • 10-core GPU
  • 12GB LPDDR5 SDRAM
  • 100GB/s UMA bandwidth
  • 512GB SSD
  • Gigabit Ethernet
  • US$999
M2 Pro Mac mini:
  • 12-core CPU (8P/4E)
  • 20-core GPU
  • 24GB LPDDR5 SDRAM
  • 200GB/s UMA bandwidth
  • 512GB SSD
  • Gigabit Ethernet
  • US$1499
One can dream...! ;^p
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Might as well just call it the Studio SE.
 
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Boil said:
M2 Mac mini:
  • 8-core CPU (4P/4E)
  • 10-core GPU
  • 12GB LPDDR5 SDRAM
  • 100GB/s UMA bandwidth
  • 512GB SSD
  • Gigabit Ethernet
  • US$999
M2 Pro Mac mini:
  • 12-core CPU (8P/4E)
  • 20-core GPU
  • 24GB LPDDR5 SDRAM
  • 200GB/s UMA bandwidth
  • 512GB SSD
  • Gigabit Ethernet
  • US$1499
One can dream...! ;^p
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1. I suspect 12 GB RAM won't be an option.
2. People are suggesting M2 Pro would be 10-core.

M2 Max would be 12-core. I'm not sure what combo though. 8+4 or 10+2?
 
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Boil said:
M2 Mac mini:
  • 8-core CPU (4P/4E)
  • 10-core GPU
  • 12GB LPDDR5 SDRAM
  • 100GB/s UMA bandwidth
  • 512GB SSD
  • Gigabit Ethernet
  • US$999
M2 Pro Mac mini:
  • 12-core CPU (8P/4E)
  • 20-core GPU
  • 24GB LPDDR5 SDRAM
  • 200GB/s UMA bandwidth
  • 512GB SSD
  • Gigabit Ethernet
  • US$1499
One can dream...! ;^p
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I would suspect a Mini Pro at that price would have 16GB and would be a viable alternative to the Studio as long as you don’t need 32gb memory or more cores.
 
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I'm sure that the last word should have been desktop. And he's correct.
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Yep.

And it only made sense for me because I already had it, I doubt I would consider buying a Thunderbolt dock to add ports to something like an M2 Mini or a base spec iMac 24 (which only has 2 Thunderbolt ports) if I needed the extra ports.

That said, I do have a spare Thunderbolt dock so I'd be able to get extra ports on a base iMac 24 if I desired one - less so on a Mac mini.

I'd be looking towards the Mac Studio - yes there's still a gap between the Mini and a Studio but it's not a horribly huge gap compared to previous Intel Mac Pros - if I was so sure I wanted the ports. That said, I don't think modern Mac users need that much in ports unless they are using wired keyboard and mouse plus external storage.

Speaking of external storage, I think a few of us would have been happy if the Studio turned out to be a Cube with internal 2.5" drive bays with SATA connectors. Some of us would then be delighted to add extra drives internally.
 
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sublunar said:
Yep.

And it only made sense for me because I already had it, I doubt I would consider buying a Thunderbolt dock to add ports to something like an M2 Mini or a base spec iMac 24 (which only has 2 Thunderbolt ports) if I needed the extra ports.

That said, I do have a spare Thunderbolt dock so I'd be able to get extra ports on a base iMac 24 if I desired one - less so on a Mac mini.

I'd be looking towards the Mac Studio - yes there's still a gap between the Mini and a Studio but it's not a horribly huge gap compared to previous Intel Mac Pros - if I was so sure I wanted the ports. That said, I don't think modern Mac users need that much in ports unless they are using wired keyboard and mouse plus external storage.

Speaking of external storage, I think a few of us would have been happy if the Studio turned out to be a Cube with internal 2.5" drive bays with SATA connectors. Some of us would then be delighted to add extra drives internally.
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I am currently running 3 monitor port hubs off my mini and 1 off my Studio. The Studio port hub has 5xUSB-A. The other three monitors have 1xUSB-C, 11xUSB-A. I use the ports for charging mobile devices, USB lights (the basement is normally dark), microphone, charging my watch, wired keyboard and mouse and charging my iPod Nanos. The plan is to migrate more stuff over to the Studio over time and possibly all four monitors.

I only wish I could charge my Sonicare off USB-A.
 
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My favourite part of this entire table is "Required PC wake from sleep when computer is connected to a Thunderbolt dock". This has been the one thing that p!ssed me off about so many USB hubs: Loss of wake from mouse or wake from keyboard when wired through a USB hub.

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