Same manufacturing, but much lower temperature because of the soldered integrated heat spreader. The 9700K would have been a great CPU for the mac mini, oh well.....8700 is not that bad of a chip.
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Same manufacturing, but much lower temperature because of the soldered integrated heat spreader. The 9700K would have been a great CPU for the mac mini, oh well.....8700 is not that bad of a chip.
Stale of a decision to not use a processor that only seems to exist on paper? The decision is that a 9th gen added two extra cores which likely exceeds the thermal limits of the design. The real question is why they didn’t use the Vega M chips which would have made a huge difference however these chips have hardware encoding and shouldn’t have any problems working on video/audio all day. These are beefy machines for anyone looking for that. For myself who just uses it as a daily driver and nothing video or photo wise
(the vast majority out there because the whole “content creator” segment is great for marketing but a drop in the bucket of actual users) the 4 cores alone are WAY more than needed. The ability of these cpus on the base model completely smoke the past mini.
Agreed, but there's no way we would be getting them next week if they went 9th gen. Intel can hardly keep up supply as is and they've already stated their prioritizing manufacturing to the higher end chips (aka, not what's in these machines)
They're up. Looks like they're using the i3-8100, i5-8500, and i7-8700
Maybe but not fast enough for my purposes..
[doublepost=1540913141][/doublepost]maxed out:; $4,200.00 ouch!
Best thing of all, I think the CPU is not soldered to the motherboard (I think), I know the memory is so-dimm and user replaceable. So lets hope the socket approach makes a come back!
Yeah, SO-DIMMs. Though I can't get a read for how many slots there will be. Looks like 2 and 32gb DIMMs are hardly even available right now, so it's going to be tough to get 64gb in initially (aside from paying an arm and a leg through apple)
They’d NEVER have an unlocked cpu in this thing and outside of the two extra cores it’s the same chip. Thermal limits are prohibitive for 33% more cores. There really isn’t any performance difference unless you need all the cores AND can keep them from thermal throttling. It’s why the i9 MacBook Pro ends up being slower on big work flows. It’s all just a sales pitch that processor in this machine wouldn’t make any difference.
The 9700k (8 core 16 thread) is only 5% faster than the 8700k (6 core 12 thread). Want to guess why? Very few apps (literally zero that I’ve ever used) use more than 6 cores.
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-9700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8700K/4030vs3937
You’re talking 95w TDP vs 65w TDP vs 28w (Haswell 4578u mobile processor in the 2014).
There’s thermal limits to the same design cube so maybe cut the engineering guys some slack. They just took the Mac mini from an average CPU score of 4758 to over 12,500 (exact number hard to find). and this is just passmark for the CPU. Graphics are much more capable plus hardware encoding and decoding.
Is there a low end PC market? Seems like iPad and iPhone have consumed much of that.
From the pictures in the tech specs, the memory looks to be user upgradeable? Did I miss this? Was it mentioned during the presentation?
Hello....there are already many reviews online that have stated that the 9700K consumes more power than 8700K but runs much cooler than 8700K, here is one.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_9700K/18.html
9700K is roughly 12% faster than 8700K.
https://www.techpowerup.com/247308/intel-core-i7-9700k-put-through-geekbench-on-a-z370-motherboard
BTW:
9700K is a 8-core/8 threads.
8700K is a 6-core/12 threads.
Both chips have a TDP of 95 Watts.
How would there be a thermal limit when:
1. Both CPUs (9700K and 8700K/non-k) have the same 95W TDP.
2. 9700K runs much cooler than 8700K/non-k (from 8-10 degrees cooler on load with higher core clocks).
I am confuse with your thermal limit analogy but I will go with it if you say so. Anyway....I am happy that we finally got an upgrade for the mini
Fortunately, it sounds like the RAM is user upgradeable and you can put the OS on the internal SSD and put everything else on something like a Samsung T5.
Where is the best place to buy RAM. This is my first mac desktop, i've always had macbook pro or macbook air and never upgraded ram so I dont know where best place is to buy it. Is the storage going to be upgradeable? 600 extra to go to 1tb from 256 gb is steep.
Anyone know when the 3rd party places like best buy will start selling? The 7th i assume? I hope they have more than just the two bases models if the storage isn't upgradeable. I would rather order through best buy rather than apple because chase pay is 5% back this quarter on a chase card so i'll save most of the tax.
Anyone know when the 3rd party places like best buy will start selling? The 7th i assume? I hope they have more than just the two bases models if the storage isn't upgradeable. I would rather order through best buy rather than apple because chase pay is 5% back this quarter on a chase card so i'll save most of the tax.
Today was apple's finest in many many years. At least now we've got plenty of options to choose on the new Mini.
Never thought I'd see the day when a max spec MacMini costs $4200.
But so what. Now there's a mini for every usage (and budget). Great news!
Never thought I'd see the day when a max spec MacMini costs $4200.
But so what. Now there's a mini for every usage (and budget). Great news!
It will propably ship with 2 x 4 Gb so-dimms, so i wonder if it would be wise to buy a single 16 Gb so-dimm and put one of the original 4 Gb so-dimms beside it?
Another thing, can Windows be installed on a external Thunderbolt disk via bootcamp?