Tell us exactly what it will be? An iPhone-like virtual keyboard?
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You seem to know an awful lot for a 19 year old.
How else would you phase out a physical keyboard? The next logical step would be virtual, something apple already has experience with.
It does make sense.
(what does age have anything to do with this?)
Most of you youngsters thrive on these wild speculations. That's all well and good, but some of you make it sound like you really know what you are talking about.
Forums are just like the real world....90% of people in the world are full of BS.
Have at it kids....I'm done with this fantasy topic.
Yes they do, but the starter iMac also has less gpu memory, less RAM to start with, and worse screen (from what I've read). I didn't make this clear before, but while I know the iMac is cheaper to start off with than the MBP and there is certain equivilancey when purchasing the higher end iMac, I just believe that the base model should already have equal or greater specs to that of the MBP. Basically, the current low end should be gone completely because 256 VRAM and 2gbs of RAM should be the baseline standard for all Apple's products at this point and should cost close to the 1,199 it is now.
An example is that you have to pay nearly $2000 on the current low-end 24" to get a 512mb card. That shouldn't have been the case even when it was introduced even though I know Apple has always been behind in the GPU department.
"Similar to the MacBook", which previously had a 2.1 ghz processor to start with, and now the lowest has a 2.0 (of the aluminum). Yet still costs more (in fact it is more expensive than the previous 2.4ghz). I know the manufacturing costs of it are greater, but I still don't think that justifies a lesser processor than before. Even if it's just 100mhz. Actually, especially if it's just that much because that couldn't cost all that much more.
That's just me though. Unless they made it out of carbon fiber I don't see the justification to make a better case at the reduction of some internal specs (while I know others are better in regard to the new MB).
Ok, where's the new iMac with 2GB's of RAM on the low end model? (maybe bad typing on my part in previous post, I know the MBPros all come with 2GB to start with).
It's starting to sound that my main gripe is with the new MacBooks.
Though, this all comes from the current state of iMacs compared to the previous models: when just before the Late 08 MBP's had such a nice bump over its previous models while still at the same price the iMac didn't change much at all.
Something along those lines. Let's extrapolate the future from Apple's current lineup. We'll disregard everything about the design (because it will ALL need to be changed for system-wide multitouch to be feasible) except for the screen right now.
Apple is moving to only glossy screens. As much as people who love matte hate it, they're doing it for a reason. Apple's newest glossy screens aren't like those in the plastic MacBook; they're optical quality glass. Now, what's the iPhone screen? Optical quality glass.
It's a smooth transition on all fronts. You can see the beginnings in almost every aspect of their hardware and software designs now.
The screens are going glass for a reason: eventually we'll be touching them. It's very nice, touching the iPhone's screen. The interface is intuitive and typing (in landscape mode) is easy, even on such a small screen.
The iPhone is a test. As much as the MacBook Air was a test for the unibody enclosure, the iPhone is a test–Apple's first baby steps–into OS XI.
The "keyboard" in OS XI will be full-size; not a problem when we're dealing with the larger screens of portable and "desktop" computers (the definition of desktop will change entirely with Apple's OS XI designs, but that's something for a different post).
Some people complain about the iPhone keyboard not having haptic feedback, but with a full-size keyboard, most if not all of these complaints are gone. We'll see what Apple does; they have a touch-haptic patent under their belt that looks very nice.
The "keyboard" in OS XI will operate much like the keyboards of today in function and much like the keyboard of the iPhone in input style. It will appear in the OS XI interface when needed and not be there when it is not needed.
Such a concept is difficult to imagine, what with the myriad of keyboard combinations one can do throughout the OS X interface right now. But OS XI will do away with the necessity for keyboard combinations. You will be able to do to the GUI of OS XI with your hands everything you can do with a keyboard now and MORE.
I, for one, am very excited for the future of the GUI. It is difficult to pin down exactly what Apple will do in removing the keyboard... but we're already seeing it happen, now aren't we? That trackpad on the new MacBooks... four finger gestures operate Exposé controls, right? Well... now there is no need for the old key presses that would do the same thing...
You see? Apple knows what they're doing. It's a beautiful thing.
Oh, glory me. Look at this. I did the same thing when I explained why Blu-ray won't show up in Macs until 2015. I do apologize for the length, but I feel that it is necessary. You have to cover all the points you can when you argue in favor of something. And, as you can see, I haven't fabricated anything.
Edit: You're done?! Come back! Read my reasoning!
You've piqued my interest Skil, can you link me to that haptic feedback patent you where talking about?
Certainly. It would be nice for them to implement something like this, but I can just as easily see them going with a non-haptic setup–like the one in the iPhone–for the full OS XI.
They both use notebook components. The base iMac is much cheaper than the base MacBook Pro. How is Apple supposed to make that iMac better than that MacBook Pro?
Agree with you there. Hopefully the imminent iMac update solves that (actually, I'd expect it to, considering even the MacBook has them).
You have to pay $2500 to get a MacBook Pro with a 512 MB GPU, so the price discrepancy is still there
The iMac has always been similar to the MacBook Pro.
That I could see happening with the Mac mini (closer to the MacBook) if it weren't for the fact that the mini is so outdated.
LOL, I noted when they were released, that the current $1299 MacBook has the same CPU speed as the first $1299 MacBook.
You said "will have 1 GB," so I assumed you mean the upcoming iMac. If the leaked Apple Store screenshot is right, we'll have new iMacs very soon.
Obviously, since the iMacs haven't had an update yet. Things were just as bad in February when the Penryn notebooks were released, and then the situation reversed two months later with the iMac update.
Apple would please a lot of iMac owners if they speed bumped the rumoured new iMacs downwards... They have done it before
Could someone please attach said photo to one of their posts, please? For some reason, my school blocks tinypic...
Are you talking about the little new markers?
Seems like a mistake seeing as the macbook air has nothing new to it.
Could be place holders tho, thatd be nice.
i honestly hope that touchscreen is not going to be the only way to input into the machine. hp have done it, and after using the touchscreen hp computer sitting down, i got fed up after a few minutes. it was not precise enough, and my arms started to get tired.
i personally believe the next step will be touch screen, but not on just one machine i.e. it will be like the current setup so a screen and keyboard, but the keyboard will be a screen as well
just like this: http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus-tactus/
i personally believe the next step will be touch screen, but not on just one machine i.e. it will be like the current setup so a screen and keyboard, but the keyboard will be a screen as well
just like this: http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus-tactus/
Here:Could someone please attach said photo to one of their posts, please? For some reason, my school blocks tinypic...
There goes my hopes…
That and the prices. The Mac mini dropped from $849 to $649 and the iMac from $1599 to $1199. As it's been pointed out, though, the "NEW" tags on the MacBook and MacBook Air (there aren't any right now) raise suspicion (as well as the lack of a 17" MacBook Pro, I'm starting to think this is either a weird screwup or a Photoshop job
), although, <wishful thinking>it might be the 133 MHz speed bump of the 2.4/2.53/2.8 GHz CPUs</wishful thinking>.
I didn't notice those, mainly because they're about the normal U.S. price...
Interesting, but it was probably nothing more than a glitch, as many of these things are.
If they go to touch screens on iMacs, I'm done with Apple.
All that would do, is make more doctors rich from treating tennis elbow and other joint maladies. Think of how sore you would get from all the reaching out.
Touch screens are perfect on a hand held device, but not on a desktop. Silly. Very silly.
I mean REALLY....who wants to TOUCH a computer screen? Why would I want to when a computer mouse is such a perfect tool?
About the GLASS.....its important to remember that it is COVERING the actual screen surface. It is not the screen.
All that would do, is make more doctors rich from treating tennis elbow and other joint maladies. Think of how sore you would get from all the reaching out.
Touch screens are perfect on a hand held device, but not on a desktop. Silly. Very silly.
I mean REALLY....who wants to TOUCH a computer screen? Why would I want to when a computer mouse is such a perfect tool?
About the GLASS.....its important to remember that it is COVERING the actual screen surface. It is not the screen.
Pretty much, my whole stupid rant was just to point out the fact that there probably won't be anything super-fantabulous with the new iMacs and everyone will disappointed. Hopefully they remove the current USB/FW ports this time and add all mini/micro display ports and USB ports and introduce some new 1-pin FW port that doesn't exist on any cable or device, and make it so every time you plug in a peripheral the iMac bitch slaps you. All while they create it out of a solid piece of gold plated platinum to increase the price point and reduce features and still get to claim that it's "innovative".
The only machine I wasn't disappointed with was the release of the Late '08 MBP's, of which I am currently saving up to buy from my school for $1,400 (2.5, 512), just so I can have it overheat and have the soldering on the GPU crack and break 1 month out of AppleCare.
Hopefully they remove the current USB ports this time and add all mini/micro display ports and USB ports and introduce some new 1-pin FW port that exist on any cable or device, and make it so every time you plug in a peripheral the iMac bitch slaps you.
HAHA
You sir, made my day. *imagines an iMac bitchslap*
The doctor thing is absolutely correct. Remember I said to ignore everything but the screen at first? Well, we're back to that.
Redesigning the OS to be multitouch absolutely cannot happen unless the hardware shapes are changed, as well. Otherwise we would have problems like that.
I always say this about the HP touchscreen computers: "I think the general argument against this is: tired arms."
That's also why I wrote "desktop" with quotation marks. Desktop computers that use OS XI wouldn't look anything like what we're used to seeing in a computer, but that's to be expected. We're used to seeing: screen, keyboard, mouse, towery part or something behind the screen.
But reaching out to touch the screen becomes severely problematic.
It's vertical. That's tiring.
Since we're supplanting the keyboard and mouse as input devices, we're freeing up the desk portion of our desktop. What to put there, I wonder...
The screen. Or, probably, in the case of Apple, the entire computer.
Think wedge, or even think flat surfacewhichever is more ergonomic for you. A slightly angled screen (15 degrees?) allows for wrist comfort in the manipulation of the GUI. Instead of a static keyboard, we now have the entire computer screen at our fingertips...
Yes, the glass is covering the screen of current computers, but isn't it also just "covering" the screen in the iPhone/iPod touch? The glass in question provides the durability that soft touchscreens (like the really, REALLY old one on my LC 575) don't have. Would you rather Apple have gone with a soft touchscreen on the iPhone?
And to the mouse being such a perfect tool; yes, the mouse is great. An entire generation (myself included; no, I'm not lying about being 19) grew up in the world of the mouse.
It will be difficult to change at first, but...
Remember the Macintosh 128k. Look back at the response there; people comparing the perfect tool that was keyboard input on the Apple II and saying the mouse was a gimmick.
"About the only thing you can't do... is ignore them. Because they change things."
I don't have a 100% complete, point-for-point plan as to how Apple will transition us away from the mouse and keyboard. If I did, I would post it... wait... If I did, I'd be under Apple's NDA and wouldn't post it, but that's beside the point...
The point is: I don't know HOW they will do it, but they're going to do it. It will be radical at first, but the mouse was tossed aside as a children's toy at first, too.
I think it should come with this: a keyboard with a glass trackpad supporting multi-touch for the desktops.
the thread for this concept is at https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=6842351
what do you guys think?
What if you use your left hand on the trackpad? Maybe some sort of virtual keyboard where if you flip the keyboard, all the keys/trackpad changes orientation toO!