I took a 2010 17" MBP into a job today...some one asked me if it was the 'new MacBook Pro'.......
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The next MacBook Pro redesign (merged)
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Unless you are on a college campus, at a Starbucks, or on a Los Angeles Commuter train(No seriously, it seems like there are one or two 15" rMBP/cMBPs per car during rush hour) Macs are usually pretty rare. Most people couldn't tell difference between a rMBP or cMBP by glance, and certainly a MacBook the size of the 17" would look odd to most.
The last Mac that person probably saw was a 10 year old white MacBook.
Mac's are common where I was working...it was indeed the large form factor/silver bezel that freaked em out!
You're wrong. It's not just the CPU and GPU that consume power. Screen, RAM, wireless card, SSD... all this components can be either eficient or ineficient.
I don't care about 4K. I want 1680x1050 at 2X on the 15 inch MBP. That's 264 PPI. Happy with that.
If the redesign takes it to 16 inch, then I'd rather have a 1920x1200 at 2X. That will be 282 PPI (and 4K) but that's irrelevant. I want more workspace than current MBPs and I want it at 2x.
If the redesign takes it to 16 inch, then I'd rather have a 1920x1200 at 2X. That will be 282 PPI (and 4K) but that's irrelevant. I want more workspace than current MBPs and I want it at 2x.
Looking for some rumors on when the refresh will happen. Suddenly find myself in the market for a new rMBP.
Yes, all components take a certain amount of energy. Still I think the CPU and GPU along with the screen take most of the juice from the battery. Issues concerning energy efficiency are mostly resolved by different manufacturers rather than Apple directly. They simply package a selection of components into a chassis with their own software.
Correct. But you talked about Intel and NVidia, and for some reason forgot to talk about display manufacturers.
Cause, if display manufacturers neglect eficiency, Apple could choose not to include an higher resolution display, specifically to avoid such ineficiencies.
Same for the other components I talked before.
If apple could bump up res without losing battery life (breaking even with skylake..?), a retina display scaled down to 1920x1200 or 1680x1050 with 4x the pixels would both be great on the 16".
just imagine running a 4K 16" at native res...
just imagine running a 4K 16" at native res...
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I think you are missing an important point that Jobs made in that video. That is the limit the human eye can perceive "at a distance of 10-12 inches". It wouldn't by hype or lies if they were to increase the ppi; they can now just say that the human cannot distinguish the pixels from 6-8 inches from the display.
Another person that used to have the "hi-res" 1680x1050 option on the pre-retina MBP?
Same here, I'm waiting for a higher resolution and hope that it comes soon!
Man... so much fun speculation in here. I hope that half of you all are correct, in terms of increasing the screen size / resolution. My thought, though, is that Apple will just keep the same 15" screen size, decrease the bezels, make it a bit thinner, axe the discreet GPU, and load it up w/ USB-C / thunderbolt3. I hope it's something more exciting than that, though!
Some more details from the upcoming graphic cards from AMD
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/48e8rl/radeon_technologies_group_qa_is_happening_here_on/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/48e8rl/radeon_technologies_group_qa_is_happening_here_on/
1) Just to clarity, in a presentation which was orally given, not a reference document, jobs said that there was "a magic number around 300 ppi..."
He did not state whether it was 300, 320, or 340.
2) He also did not specify a distance.
He indicated that the distance was "around 10-12 inches"
My screen is double that away from my eyes when I use it.
3) People are all different. Guinness world records says:
"In October 1972 the University of Stuttgart, then West Germany, reported that their student Veronica Seider (b. 1951) possessed a visual acuity 20 times better than average. She could identify people at a distance of more than a mile (1.6 km).'
Given the first two points are totally and utterly non scientific, plus 3) we are all slightly different... lets go back to point 2 again.
Point 2 references 10 inches.
Almost NO ONE views their screen at 10 inches.
So for the average user, using a laptop in the 18+ inches range, anything above 250 PPI would be almost totally unnecessary.
As with thinness, anything close to 4k or a 300 PPI boost is there to sell laptops, to those who don't have grey matter enough to realise they won't actually benefit from 300 PPI over 250 PPI on a laptop.
He did not state whether it was 300, 320, or 340.
2) He also did not specify a distance.
He indicated that the distance was "around 10-12 inches"
My screen is double that away from my eyes when I use it.
3) People are all different. Guinness world records says:
"In October 1972 the University of Stuttgart, then West Germany, reported that their student Veronica Seider (b. 1951) possessed a visual acuity 20 times better than average. She could identify people at a distance of more than a mile (1.6 km).'
Given the first two points are totally and utterly non scientific, plus 3) we are all slightly different... lets go back to point 2 again.
Point 2 references 10 inches.
Almost NO ONE views their screen at 10 inches.
So for the average user, using a laptop in the 18+ inches range, anything above 250 PPI would be almost totally unnecessary.
As with thinness, anything close to 4k or a 300 PPI boost is there to sell laptops, to those who don't have grey matter enough to realise they won't actually benefit from 300 PPI over 250 PPI on a laptop.
All I know is that the text is sharper and clearer for me to read on my rMBP than it was on my 2012 non-retina iMac..... Same viewing distance on the same workstation surface...... To me and my aging eyes, that matters.
Regarding the previous pages and pages on thinness. Google retro laptop. We don't want those.
Who are these people who want laptops that are thinner than the current offering?? Please, for the love of god, drop the desire for a thinner laptop like a hot potato!!
It is nothing but marketing hype, to impress the easily impressed. For the reason that apple WILL always keep thinning products, and have already succeeded in brainwashing nearly everyone into believing we actually NEED a few millimetres shaved off thickness.
But its those millimetres which, if half the population hadn't been brainwashed into worshiping thinness, could have been used for extra battery life.
As soon as people stand together and demand MUCH longer battery life, en masse, we'll be one step closer to getting it.
Great, so your laptop has a claimed 12 hour battery life. Mine does. But in reality, it still needs 3 full charges a day, doing nothing especially heavy. In reality, cut battery life right in half (and more!) if you do what I call "using the laptop".
[doublepost=1456966119][/doublepost]How was your day at work honey?
"Terrible. Absolutely terrible. My back aches from carrying this laptop, but the extra 2 millimetres they shaved off allowed me to fit an extra four sheets of A4 paper into my bag, and this guy at the office was like furious, he was kicking over filing cabinets and threatening to rip off his pants and curl out a turd on my desk, he was so jealous he could only fit 2 sheets of A4 paper into his bag. Im totally the man of the moment, cruising around with this extra 2 millimetres of space.
No. Please stop. Yesterday. What we are doing now is demanding that apple DO NOT make the current generation of laptops any thinner.
Technology will improve until it can no longer be produced. That is more or less a guarantee.
Demand something we can have. More battery life.
Laptops which can be used any way we want to use them, which don't have a "claimed" battery life of 12 hours, but have run out after 4 hours of solid use.
Finally, if you are still barking up the wrong tree (thinness crap!) go find 10 books in your home which are A4 in size. I think you'll find that the latest generation of laptops are already thinner than 8/10 of your A4 books.
Who struggles to carry a very thin book? A man with no arms perhaps?
Who struggles to use a laptop that has run out of power? EVERYONE.
No thinner than the current offerings. It is nothing but sales crap. Next time you hear the word thin, think marketing rubbish. Thats all it is.
Apple, Add another few millimetres and put in a much bigger battery. No wait, if apple did that, it would give laptop batteries a slightly longer shelf life year on year, meaning laptops would last slightly longer, meaning fewer sales...
Apple will continue to toute thinness, for as long as there are people thick enough to demand it, as a matter of importance (not forgetting that they will aim to make them thinner anyway)...
So can we all please demand bigger batteries. And not discuss thinner laptops, ever again, without remembering that thinness is nothing but marketing crap.
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We don't ever need any higher on a laptop, unless we start viewing them closer than 10 inches to our faces.
And 4k and when it happens (people screaming for 5k) it will be the same again. Higher is not necessary on a small screen.
Who are these people who want laptops that are thinner than the current offering?? Please, for the love of god, drop the desire for a thinner laptop like a hot potato!!
It is nothing but marketing hype, to impress the easily impressed. For the reason that apple WILL always keep thinning products, and have already succeeded in brainwashing nearly everyone into believing we actually NEED a few millimetres shaved off thickness.
But its those millimetres which, if half the population hadn't been brainwashed into worshiping thinness, could have been used for extra battery life.
As soon as people stand together and demand MUCH longer battery life, en masse, we'll be one step closer to getting it.
Great, so your laptop has a claimed 12 hour battery life. Mine does. But in reality, it still needs 3 full charges a day, doing nothing especially heavy. In reality, cut battery life right in half (and more!) if you do what I call "using the laptop".
[doublepost=1456966119][/doublepost]How was your day at work honey?
"Terrible. Absolutely terrible. My back aches from carrying this laptop, but the extra 2 millimetres they shaved off allowed me to fit an extra four sheets of A4 paper into my bag, and this guy at the office was like furious, he was kicking over filing cabinets and threatening to rip off his pants and curl out a turd on my desk, he was so jealous he could only fit 2 sheets of A4 paper into his bag. Im totally the man of the moment, cruising around with this extra 2 millimetres of space.
No. Please stop. Yesterday. What we are doing now is demanding that apple DO NOT make the current generation of laptops any thinner.
Technology will improve until it can no longer be produced. That is more or less a guarantee.
Demand something we can have. More battery life.
Laptops which can be used any way we want to use them, which don't have a "claimed" battery life of 12 hours, but have run out after 4 hours of solid use.
Finally, if you are still barking up the wrong tree (thinness crap!) go find 10 books in your home which are A4 in size. I think you'll find that the latest generation of laptops are already thinner than 8/10 of your A4 books.
Who struggles to carry a very thin book? A man with no arms perhaps?
Who struggles to use a laptop that has run out of power? EVERYONE.
No thinner than the current offerings. It is nothing but sales crap. Next time you hear the word thin, think marketing rubbish. Thats all it is.
Apple, Add another few millimetres and put in a much bigger battery. No wait, if apple did that, it would give laptop batteries a slightly longer shelf life year on year, meaning laptops would last slightly longer, meaning fewer sales...
Apple will continue to toute thinness, for as long as there are people thick enough to demand it, as a matter of importance (not forgetting that they will aim to make them thinner anyway)...
So can we all please demand bigger batteries. And not discuss thinner laptops, ever again, without remembering that thinness is nothing but marketing crap.
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Yes, your rMPB is probably around 300 PPI. Thats fine.
We don't ever need any higher on a laptop, unless we start viewing them closer than 10 inches to our faces.
And 4k and when it happens (people screaming for 5k) it will be the same again. Higher is not necessary on a small screen.
So if we had the Aluminium PowerBook G4 updated with Skylake CPUs and like... 20 hours battery life...
I need the sharp edges. To take my own life with. At the insistence of others I read nearly the entire thread, which was a laborious task in itself. Roll on the new hardware...
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