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The Official Battlestar Galactica Thread : SPOILERS
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Well, it's drama so the characters have got to have some logical and identifiable motivation.
Well, it's drama so the characters have got to have some logical and identifiable motivation.
I know, but part of my problem with "dark secret revealed" is that it's always constrained by keeping a character likeable and heroic. Hell, I don't know why I'm bitching. Between Sol killing his wife, and the whole Baltar character, I guess they've got enough anti-heroes in there to keep me happy.
Haha, yeah, I guess it's all relative, huh?
But I know where you're coming from - this type of a plot device often seems to lend itself to cliche, but hopefully this won't be the case with tonight's episode.
Well, my fears were unfounded. That episode rocked.
Is it too early to bitch about the episode they'll show in two weeks?
Is it too early to bitch about the episode they'll show in two weeks?
hmm - except for the wife thing I'm sorry to see I had it. It was good, but I think a little too tidy.
The 3-way scene with Baltar, 6 and D'Anna, though, that was interesting.
And D'Anna seems to be having some issues - I wonder where that's going?D
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Adama tried to make sure Bulldog was dead with a ship-to-ship missile, plus they were violating the armistice treaty with the Cylons, which could be interpreted as an act of war by the saber-rattling inclined!
I would say that's a bit more than the plain ol' "leaving a man behind" drama.
Whoa... Marcus Dixon escaped from the Cylons! So, the Cylons allowed him to escape so that he can exact revenge on Adama... seems like a rather weak plot point. I didn't buy it. I bet he's a Cylon.
ps. I notice he also likes udon noodles.
ps. I notice he also likes udon noodles.
Whoa... Marcus Dixon escaped from the Cylons! So, the Cylons allowed him to escape so that he can exact revenge on Adama... seems like a rather weak plot point. I didn't buy it. I bet he's a Cylon.
ps. I notice he also likes udon noodles.
Hey, they're getting a bit desperate now that they don't have sleeper agents available to shoot the old man in the middle of CIC...
He fit in a raider.
Nah, I don't think he's a Cylon. From the way things are going, the seven don't know where the other five are, or care.
Nah, I don't think he's a Cylon. From the way things are going, the seven don't know where the other five are, or care.
Not really - its just specifics on how it happens, but its the leader having to sacrifice a man scenario, who comes back after they've "seen" him die....
As for him being a Cylon, who knows. We don't know how long the human versions of Cylons have been around and we don't know how long Adama has known Bulldog.
I think there is going to be more from this and its just a set up for now.
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Just watched last night's episode - another great one! A great storyline IMO which kept me guessing throughout, in terms of whether he was or was not a Cylon, what the exact specifics were surrounding the situation, etc. And I agree with you Mr. Anderson, I think this is all a setup for something bigger down the line...
One of my favorite moments actually was after Saul broke everything up. There was a moment of reflection there and the "inner torment" and pain was almost tangible. Bill feeling like crap for what he did, feeling responsible for the entire war; Marcus feeling torn, wanting to kill the man who abandoned him yet at the same time feeling used again by the Cylons who let him escape - coupled with the fact that he was a prisoner for 3 years; and Saul who, well, with Ellen and everything else, say no more!
I think stories like this which have a break in the actual sci-fi action are excellent - looking forward to more of them as the season progresses.
One of my favorite moments actually was after Saul broke everything up. There was a moment of reflection there and the "inner torment" and pain was almost tangible. Bill feeling like crap for what he did, feeling responsible for the entire war; Marcus feeling torn, wanting to kill the man who abandoned him yet at the same time feeling used again by the Cylons who let him escape - coupled with the fact that he was a prisoner for 3 years; and Saul who, well, with Ellen and everything else, say no more!
I think stories like this which have a break in the actual sci-fi action are excellent - looking forward to more of them as the season progresses.
Yeah, I wish they had expanded on that more, it almost seemed like she was getting off on dying or something.
She mentioned something about the "time between" which I take it as the time between death and resurrection. Maybe she'll end up as a prophet or have special insight. The other Cylons looked at her as if she was nuts. Maybe she'll see that the future for Cylons is bleak and she goes over to the other side...
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I'm sure, as with many things on the show, they'll expand on it further in future episodes - this was just a taste to get us thinking and speculating. It will be interesting to see where that whole concept goes though. D'anna having dreams, nightmares, visions, fascinations with death and resurrection - and she appears to be the only Cylon experiencing this as well. And of course, at the end of the day, she's just a machine, which adds another layer of complexity to the matter.
I liked this episode, but it threw up the question how did the Cylons know that the Galactica knows about the virus and where to find the fleet, that aside I enjoyed it, will Bulldog feature in any more episodes, if so and he sorts his head out would he be up for the position of CAG, I also want Tigh back in the fold, he's a great character.
What's up with D'Anna, this is intriguing, correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't part of her dream back on Kobol when Caprica 6 took Baltar to that temple/opera house/theatre(?) with the strange bright lights (lighted backdrops)and strange humanoid figures (below) strange how there are five of them (D'Anna is standing in front of the fifth), the death/rebirth scene what she said was "this is something beautiful, the miraculous between life and death", looks like she's going to kill herself a lot to find out, what gave her the idea to kill herself in the first instance
Also lastly me being a guy, Yay Baltar bagging 3 and 6 and only being at deaths door recently
What's up with D'Anna, this is intriguing, correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't part of her dream back on Kobol when Caprica 6 took Baltar to that temple/opera house/theatre(?) with the strange bright lights (lighted backdrops)and strange humanoid figures (below) strange how there are five of them (D'Anna is standing in front of the fifth), the death/rebirth scene what she said was "this is something beautiful, the miraculous between life and death", looks like she's going to kill herself a lot to find out, what gave her the idea to kill herself in the first instance
Also lastly me being a guy, Yay Baltar bagging 3 and 6 and only being at deaths door recently
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I guess we'll never know how the Cylons always find the humans as you say, however as for the virus I would assume the Cylons themselves assumed the humans were indeed responsible for it (this knowing about it) as they accused Baltar of this fact.
Yep, it is indeed almost identical!
Wow, I never caught this - nice one. Hmm, and 5 other Cylon models, how interesting...
My reaction was medium. I knew that Bulldog wasn't a cylon from the beginning because there are only five left, and the existing cylons seem to have a peculiar relationship to them that wouldn't have worked very well with Bulldog's situation. It was very convenient that the cylons knew all about what happened to Bulldog and that they could take advantage of him. It was pretty confident of them to anticipate that Bulldog would somehow cause havok with the fleet when he discovered he had been betrayed. He turned out a lot less interesting than I thought he would be, twice as much now that I realize the cylons apparently have to resort to grasping at straws like this to make mischief in the fleet. It suddenly seems like Galactica and company are not really in that much peril at all, when almost the entire history of the show has been pushing how high the stakes were.
To top it off it was a story about guilt, which nine times out of ten ends up with the "penance" thing at the end like this one did and being too heavily in the past with flashbacks and reminiscence. Even though the penance was pleasingly symmetrical between Adama and Bulldog (and maybe Tigh?), it was still that same plot we all know where someone seeks undeserved self-punishment. We get Adama ridiculously handing in his resignation (could he be so stupid, or selfish, as to think that would help humanity?) and Bulldog being forced to take his uniform when he leaves. Then there are the flashbacks, which were well shot but mostly featured a fairly featureless bunch of stereotypical bigwigs. Blah.
The revelation that Adama may have been responsible for starting the whole war was another sticking point. It struck me as trying too hard to make a part of the show's premise into a trivial "dark secret" to be brushed under the rug after one episode. The fact that Adama started the war makes him far more important to "the grand scheme of things" and in turn far less interesting to me. When he was simply the victim of consequences out of his control, the owner of responsibilities out of his league, and resourceful despite it all, the universe was a bigger place. Gradually, the 99% of the human population that was annihilated in the cylon attack is becoming more and more meaningless to the plot because everyone of actual importance or culpability survived. It's too tidy, a flaw that this episode was heavy in.
I'm very interested in D'Anna's situation, and will be eager to be surprised by the role of the five remaining cylon models. Her fascination with the place between life and death is unexplored, and therefore interesting, territory.
I was pleased to see that the direction went back to the more snooping style of season one in several places, even though it was mostly at the beginning and then right at the end when Adama was seeing Bulldog off, not during any of the actual drama "meat."
What happened in this episode: Adama and Tigh are back on speaking terms and D'Anna has a fetish.
To top it off it was a story about guilt, which nine times out of ten ends up with the "penance" thing at the end like this one did and being too heavily in the past with flashbacks and reminiscence. Even though the penance was pleasingly symmetrical between Adama and Bulldog (and maybe Tigh?), it was still that same plot we all know where someone seeks undeserved self-punishment. We get Adama ridiculously handing in his resignation (could he be so stupid, or selfish, as to think that would help humanity?) and Bulldog being forced to take his uniform when he leaves. Then there are the flashbacks, which were well shot but mostly featured a fairly featureless bunch of stereotypical bigwigs. Blah.
The revelation that Adama may have been responsible for starting the whole war was another sticking point. It struck me as trying too hard to make a part of the show's premise into a trivial "dark secret" to be brushed under the rug after one episode. The fact that Adama started the war makes him far more important to "the grand scheme of things" and in turn far less interesting to me. When he was simply the victim of consequences out of his control, the owner of responsibilities out of his league, and resourceful despite it all, the universe was a bigger place. Gradually, the 99% of the human population that was annihilated in the cylon attack is becoming more and more meaningless to the plot because everyone of actual importance or culpability survived. It's too tidy, a flaw that this episode was heavy in.
I'm very interested in D'Anna's situation, and will be eager to be surprised by the role of the five remaining cylon models. Her fascination with the place between life and death is unexplored, and therefore interesting, territory.
I was pleased to see that the direction went back to the more snooping style of season one in several places, even though it was mostly at the beginning and then right at the end when Adama was seeing Bulldog off, not during any of the actual drama "meat."
What happened in this episode: Adama and Tigh are back on speaking terms and D'Anna has a fetish.
Yeah, you're right about the virus as for finding the fleet it's just that sometimes it seems they can find them at will and at other times couldn't find the nose on the end of their face.
Definitly a feeling of deja vu, I might look at the original dream to see how close/different they are.
It was after the second time I watched this scene because of the similarities to Baltar's dream on Kobol that I actually saw it.Wow, I never caught this - nice one. Hmm, and 5 other Cylon models, how interesting...
I think that the D'Anna storyline might prove to be very crucial to the story-line, but then it might not, such is BSG
.Ah, this is how different the dream is, no figures.
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What's up with D'Anna, this is intriguing, correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't part of her dream back on Kobol when Caprica 6 took Baltar to that temple/opera house/theatre(?) with the strange bright lights (lighted backdrops)and strange humanoid figures (below) strange how there are five of them (D'Anna is standing in front of the fifth), the death/rebirth scene what she said was "this is something beautiful, the miraculous between life and death", looks like she's going to kill herself a lot to find out, what gave her the idea to kill herself in the first instance
See, when I saw this image I didn't flash back to Baltar on Kobol, but to the original BSG. I almost expected her to come back wearing nothing but white.
So...what if the other 5 Cylon models decided to die the "true death" instead of opting for continual resurrection? My understanding of samsara is limited, but if they've reached the end of the cycle and moved on to a higher plane (for lack of a better term) that could explain a lot. From the scriptural quote of everything having happened before (and will happen again) to the selection from the Rig Veda in the title sequence.
Oh well, just random thoughts.
Man, "Unfinished Business" was...heavy. Can't find the words to describe it. Very soap-opera-ish, but...it feels good at the same time...
and probably cheapest... gotta make up for those effects driven episodes early on that were waaaaaaaay over budget.
Olmos ruled in this episode.
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