I think they're both way overpriced. I'm guessing Apple does too, which is why there's talk of a cheaper MBP coming out sometime in 2022.
i think for what they offer, new macs are worth the price. Unified memory equals to very rare DDR5 speeds, M1 CPUs score 1740 in single core geekbench, while AMD will only come up with a 1600 score CPU very soon.I think they're both way overpriced. I'm guessing Apple does too, which is why there's talk of a cheaper MBP coming out sometime in 2022.
Not to mention the screen. Color accuracy, refresh, resolution, brightness.i think for what they offer, new macs are worth the price. Unified memory equals to very rare DDR5 speeds, M1 CPUs score 1740 in single core geekbench, while AMD will only come up with a 1600 score CPU very soon.
Sure the addons are overpriced, but that is the price to keep the base low.
Twice as fast for whatever intensively uses the GPU cores, which may also include photo editing. Video and photos are mainstream tasks for MBPs.Twice fast only in certain video tasks, which involves "double decoders/encoders, prores".
Because some prefer the smaller package. There's no fully objective standard for best value.You also mentioned about power cut in the max model for 14" - why pay the same price if it performs less than the same 16 inch.
Same is true of the other features that affect performance, such as the larger GPU in the Max. RAM isn't special that way. Most people will never notice a difference.Right, but let's say Artisright channel on Youtube have shown that MBP 16 with 16gb of RAM lags in pano edits with LR, while base 14 with 32gb ram did not.
So nobody said that the difference would be obvious and all time present - but it will be there for you to appreciate it from time to time when the extra +16gb of ram will kick in.
Not a fully objective or merely logical matter what matters most to people. An external display is generally no substitute for a portable built-in.It is all up to you. If watching 14" screen 8-10 hours a day for most of the year works fine for you then why not. But it is not the most logical decision at that price point ($2400) because money wise external display instead of 32gb of ram or jumping to base 16 will be more beneficial.
Yes, but a larger bed is available. Point is it's a very nice vehicle, and the differences here are not about the power train but room and storage.Aren't limiteds already coming with double cab and normal bed at its' base config?
I think they're both way overpriced. I'm guessing Apple does too, which is why there's talk of a cheaper MBP coming out sometime in 2022.
When they introduce a 16" Air, I'll take a good look.Actually, in thinking about this topic I wanted to make another point... If someone isn't sure how how much power they need, they should consider whether they need a Pro at all. Not 'want' a Pro.
Yeah, that's the rub. I have a friend who really only needs an Air in terms of power but also wanted a 16" screen so he grabbed an entry model 16" M1.When they introduce a 16" Air, I'll take a good look.
I want to purchase a MBP M1 perhaps in at least 1 year from now - since apple had always problems with not-so-brilliant design, think of grilled GPUs from 20108-2014,
failing keyboards over many yearsm, the Desaster of the „trash can“ MP and a lot of other mismanagement of the R&D Dep.
always claiming for years that „You‘re holding it wrong“ or waiting for years and many class suit action to be lost until they confessed to have been wrong..
Ok, thank god Joni „form over function“ Ive is now history and function seems to be something to think about now.
But I will still wait.
As for if was me to buy soon, I‘ wait for the new MBA tomcome this year soon.
Maybe I want to purchase this, or the MBP 14/16 - or I will purchase the MBA THEN because it’s price will get even lower than now. If the MBA 2020 is enough for someone, this might lead to a „Best Buy“ when purchasing the MBA THEN.
At home I have still the OWC Thunderbolt 2 dock, so at Home no problem with lack of connection…
A friend of mine purchased the MBA M1 2020 some weeks ago and is very happy with it.
So - waiting for the claimed enormous change in design of the MBA and lower prices or just be more sure that this time apple dis do it right with their new MBP 14/16….
cheers
Yes, very true, that if you are able to, and do, wait until new M2 MBA released (presumably later this year), even if you decide you're happy with the 2020 M1 MBA, prices for the latter should go down so you can save money by waiting. Most likely, you won't be able to get directly from Apple, but as you said plenty of other big-box retailers (eg. Best Buy) and on the secondary market should start blowing out a bunch of stock.
I've done this a few times, eg. with my 11" 2018 iPad Pro (came out Oct 2018), I didn't buy until the newer 2020 11" iPad Pro came out (released Mar 2020, which was a very modest upgrade with dual-camera / LIDAR which meant nothing to me, and A12Z vs A12X processor). Saved a bunch of money buying a new-in-box 2018 iPad Pro because I was able to wait.
All that to be said, as @clevins said, if you're in the market for an MBA and you're able to wait, it makes more sense to do so now than at other times, given we're on the cusp of a likely model-redesign.
Well i think u exaggerated. The big problem with failed GPU was the 2011 model.To report what I did since my posting in January 2022:
I did wait indeed until now - and purchased in February a wonderful MBP 15" mid 2015 (!) 16 GB in perfect condition GB built-in an NVME-adapter and a 4 TB Samsung SSD.
This machine is very nice and absolutely calm, has a very good screen.
AND NOW I am considering to buy a MBP 16" and NOT a 14" because: You get a wonderful, big display, much better sound, 35% more battery-life compared to the 14" under real-life conditions, and a machine which does NOT grill the M1 like it is the case with the 14" MBP, because the cooling fans of the 16" are 2-3 times more efficient than those little things in the 14". PLUS due to the bigger housing, the passive heat exchange of the 16" is much better.
There have tests been made with exact the same system with the 14" and the 16" MBP under "max performance" conditions that had bad results: The M1 cores of the 14" have been grilled at about 100-105 degrees celsius albeit the fans already at full action (and loud) while the fans of the 16" MBP were still at 60% max action and the cores of the 16" MBP at 86-89 degrees.
Apple ignored since the very beginning of the Intel-CPU years (about 2005) the heat problem and favored NOT to cool correctly, but pretend that their MBP needs only a little bit of cooling. This killed hundreds of thousands if not more motherboards, especially the discrete GPUs until about 2014 (at least). The customers felt comfortable because of near-to-none noise, but in reality the electronic parts suffered at long term (= after 3-4 years these machines died). I was victim of two (!) total losses of MBP (both after 3 years) and I was NOT amused.
Now there is better cooling, the M1 is a big step forward, but even the very efficient M1 produces a lot of heat if at max performance. I cannot imagine that the long-term reliability of the wonderful M1/2 machines is save if these processors are regularly grilled at 100 degrees. But apple still starts too late with more cooling and still makes the customers believe that everything is ok - but it is NOT if you demand full performance over a longer period. Maybe you will pass two or three years without problems, but maybe there will be a "déjà-vu" effect in some years if you do nothing to protect your machines yourself, because apple does NOT (historically, with the dead MBP 2006-2011, they denied for many years the overheating of the discrete GPUs until there was a class action suit which forced them to accept their bad design). There are hundreds of Threads here at MacRumors about these older problems...
So - my recommendation is: download at least for the high-end 14" MBP but better also for the high-end 16" MBP one of the apps which give you the chance to establish better cooling by starting softly much sooner more cooling (when the temperature is still acceptable) and reaches a max sooner. This will prevent the M processor from being grilled and even prevent often enough that the max rpm are even necessary. So - even the noise will be more comfortable for 14" users. One of those apps I used from the third MBP with discrete GPU was MacFanControl. Once correctly customized by me, there were zero problems (still use these old MBP from 209-2011) and the GPU and CPU were MUCH better cooled.
I will purchase this year a new MBP 16" M because I like to do more postproduction in photography. And one of the first apps I will install will be one for optimizing the fan rpm to prevent overheating and to guarantee a long-term reliability of the nice 16"...
Bottom-line:
There are at least 2 very important facts to face when choosing one of the 2 M1 or future M2 MBP:
- NOISE caused by wildly (but too late) working fans of overheated 14" MBP if in max performance and
- long-term reliability of these machines if regularly pushed to their max performance.
cheers
Well i think u exaggerated. The big problem with failed GPU was the 2011 model.
The 2019 gets loud but to cool it down. I don’t see hundreds of threads about dead MBPs.
the new M models are already more efficient, thicker and heavier with better cooling. While u say the 14“ gets loud yes thats what apple needs to do to cool.
So your app also revs up the fan and makes the machine even louder.
For a laptop it’s always a compromise between size and performance.
If u want a longterm powerhouse a laptop was never the best choice. The Mac studio is for that