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iGAV said:
...But they've lost that zing that they were beginning to develop back in the late '90's, whether you like the Ka, Puma, Focus etc... at the time they just totally ripped up the rule book regarding how mass produced cars could actually have that quality of design...

I'm sure you're aware that Ford own a large chunk of Mazda, but have you ever noticed that quite a few new Mazda's seem to be testing the water for new designs which (when succesful) are launched by Ford and heralded as new directions.

The 323 that came shortly befor the orig. Focus had a certain look to it that I saw as being a taster of the Focus.

It may just be the platform sharing showing how designers are being pushed into corners with limited scope for anything original.

It also amazes me that Ford don't use the RX8 (with the Wankel or one of their own engines) tweak the styling lose the rear doors and hey presto release a new affordable Capri!
 
This week's show's just finished and I guess I'm the first to comment.

Loving the Ferrari 4seater, since launch I've wanted one of these and it's the first time I've seen it pictured moving. I love the way Clarkson slide it to a halt outside the lodge.

What about the highstreet vs classic racers? No surprise that the Focus outdid the Escort but not sure if I'd agree with the other pairings. Shouldn't Clarkson have pited the Ford with the modern GT and Audi with say next months S4?
 
The Ferrari thing was fun and all, but it's been done before with the DB9, maybe they're running out of ideas?

I'm not a huge fan of the new Ferrari, it looks OK, but nothing I'd drop £180,000 on! :eek:
 
edesignuk said:
...I'm not a huge fan of the new Ferrari, it looks OK, but nothing I'd drop £180,000 on! :eek:

If I ever buy a car at more than £30k It'll be because I'm in a position not to care that it's £50k or £500k! Once in that realm the cars I buy will be bought because it's a good car not because it's economical or sensible.
 
mpw said:
I love the way Clarkson slide it to a halt outside the lodge.

I thought exactly the same when it came to a stop...

I'm still not sure if I like the 612 or not, from the rear and side it's supremely elegant, like a classic GT should be. But I'm still not convinced by the lights and grille, it's still a fine car though, a usable 4 seater with arguably the sweetest sound of any car on earth, a Ferrari V12.

I can't think of any 4 seater that comes close... it's just that snout that I have doubts about.


mpw said:
What about the highstreet vs classic racers? No surprise that the Focus outdid the Escort but not sure if I'd agree with the other pairings. Shouldn't Clarkson have pited the Ford with the modern GT and Audi with say next months S4?

I thought the same again as well... hahahaha, the GT40 against the GT would have been more relevant.

The same with the Audi... they could've done the original Mustang versus the new one as well.

It interesting that they didn't dare try a Focus RS against the mighty RS 200 though... :D


Savage Henry said:
And I think the same can be applied to Ferrari as well

I think you got Ferrari mixed up with Aston there mate... ;) heheheh


Anyway, general observations.

JC's still on the anti-Ferrari rant then, several digs at the 612 until it warmed him over with it's true cross-continental ability even in the ice and snow. Then the Enzo at the end... boy do I wish Schumi and Brawn would bring over a F2004 over just to pi$$ on the guys parade. It's getting tiring every week now.... just change the f**king record you dick.

A missed chance with the 'Old vs New' just like they missed it with the old supercars vs the new at the start of the series, they could've gone into more detail about what the old ones were like to drive etc etc both the Audi and Escort looked awesome to drive though.

I wasn't at all surprised by Hopkirks Mini winning the resto comp, a worthy winner purely because of the cars legendary history. I still would've preferred to see the Probe restored though, only 2 or 3 of them left in the world, fantastic futurist design. They simply do not build them like that anymore (for good reason too) heheh.

Cars Vs Bobsleigh, well you gotta admit more impressive than caravan conkers :p I thought the car did incredibly well to get anywhere near it, awesome driving skills... I wonder which is faster up the hill?? heheh
 
Last show of the series... so then final observations.

I'd have to disagree with them on the BMW 1 Series, I think it's a fine small car and what they layed into it for applies to several other cars as well.... another example of Top Gear's presenters getting a bee in it's bonnet rather than offering objective opinions.

Firstly its screwed together better than a Golf, it's interior is more tactile than the sublime Alfa 147 (GTA excepted with it's incredible Muira interior) and it's visually more dynamic than any other car in it's class, whether you like it or not is subjective of course but at Rockingham when they had it parked next to the new Astra *yawns* new Golf *yawns* and 147 only one of them stood out ;)

I didn't think the rear was uncomfortably cramped when I sat in the back of it for a skid pan session with my bro, and I'm not exactly small at six foot three and chunky! :D but is any car in this class really what one could consider roomy?? thought not.

I can't comment on the 116i on the road, but on the track it's not a bad car at all offering decent enough performance, but the gem is the 120d with it's huge slug of torque, 7's to 60 and in gear times that'd give a Boxster a serious hiding.

They didn't mention the stability issue under heavy braking with the DSC switched off, (but then they don't exactly test the car do they) I found the back end of the car to be REALLY twitchy, to the point where you have to catch it with a handful of opposite lock to stop it switching ends, not quite a Scandinavian flick but really not as far off as you'd think. I think for people that have never driven a RWD car, or a RWD car without a host of de-facto driver aids they'd probably be on the end of a nasty surprise if they ever accidentally switched the aids off.

How mad was that Merc G Wagon??? G 55 AMG.... hahahahahahaha I love the G Wagon, in bog trim it looks the bomb, wasn't sure about all the body kit on the AMG version though looked a little 'Pimp my Ride' for my taste, but the illuminated scuff guards were very cool and the Cayenne matching performance would be abit of a giggle come winter time. :D

I can't stand Trinny and Susannah... they should come with some sort of ' Irritant' label.

And even less should be said about the Korean group test.

I'm also surprised (actually I don't think I should be after all this is the same team who had the Enzo in the Car of the Year 2004 category :rolleyes: ) they've only just got around to testing the Ariel Atom... it's not like it's just come out is it.

How much fun does it look though... 2.9 to 60 :D all for £20k. I really expected it to beat the Enzo around the track and was really surprised when it didn't. It did knock the Carrera GT down to 3rd though which demonstrates that it's got serious track pace. Not quite practical day to day though is it. heheh
 
edesignuk said:
Right, time to start saving up for an Ariel then, that was just incredible :eek:

Thats for sure! It went around the track like a go-kart and with 0-60 in under 3 secs... VERY cool!

The item about the asian cars was pretty funny... British humour, i would say :D
 
edesignuk said:
Right, time to start saving up for an Ariel then, that was just incredible :eek:

Damn right, I've always fought shy of getting a big bike in London, cos it's too bloody dangerous and I've lost friends to stupid drivers, but that little car is a revelation, all the pluses, none of the downsides, a good set of leathers for the weather, a decent pair of ski-goggles and plenty of fun at the traffic lights!!!!

I love JC's comment about the 0-60 time; "If you can change gear fast enough...". Classic. :D

Course, you'd need to get a retro flying helmet to disguise the iPod headphones!!
 
iGAV said:
...How much fun does it look though... 2.9 to 60 :D all for £20k...

I thought they priced it at nearer £30k for the supercharged version as tested, and don't forget things like lights and a habdbrake are optional extras. (but then if you read JC's review in the Times it has a 5935cc V12 that revs to 8200! so maybe figures aren't his forte)
 
http://www.arielmotor.co.uk/04/used.htm

Nice :)

web_rear_static.jpg

(It seems Honda are using it to race too.)

I need a 1280x1024 desktop of this car, anybody seen one?
 
mpw said:
I thought they priced it at nearer £30k for the supercharged version as tested,

Ah right, I must have misheard then.

I think if I was wanting to buy a trackday car, I'd still take the Radical over the Atom...

I just wish Ferrari would release a track day special, now that would undoubtedly make some headlines. :D
 
edesignuk said:
They said prices start at £20k, but the model that tested was £29k. Turbo Charged, and with the brakes that won't get you killed :D :eek:

Well I suppose it's cool that atleast now I'm beginning to totally ignore them :D

I'd still buy a Radical... it'd eat it for breakfast, whilst being that little bit safer I suspect.

Anyway... to other car matters... I'm off to the 'Ring soon to drive the new M5... :D
 
edesignuk said:

Okay...

In the coming months I shall have the opportunity to drive (crash test probably) BMW's new M5 on the 13 miles and 73 corners of tarmac known as the Nurburgring Nordschleife.

I might even have an in car camera to record the event. ;)
 
iGAV said:
Okay...

In the coming months I shall have the opportunity to drive (crash test probably) BMW's new M5 on the 13 miles and 73 corners of tarmac known as the Nurburgring Nordschleife.

I might even have an in car camera to record the event. ;)
And how the hell did you get so bloody lucky! :cool:
 
edesignuk said:
And how the hell did you get so bloody lucky! :cool:

that, mr ed would be telling... ;)

the biggest hurdle is filming it... car cams are banned, I have somebody on the case though. ;)
 
iGAV said:
that, mr ed would be telling... ;)

the biggest hurdle is filming it... car cams are banned, I have somebody on the case though. ;)
Well, it sound like it should be great! Be sure to tell us more when the time comes, I want pics & movies! :D
 
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