The truth about Steve Jobs health !

[maxrobertson]

This speculation is totally foolish and unfounded. The most logical explanation is also the one that makes sense: that Steve Jobs had the whipple procedure (a major part of stomach stapling) which decreased his weight. Is that so hard to believe? What void do you people have in your lives that you have to constantly think about whether or not Steve Jobs is going to die soon. What would he die of? His cancer was operable and pancreatic cancer doesn't spread quickly. It's time to drop this.

It should have read more like this:

You are one of the lamest people I have ever met on the internet. Do you know how many lame people there are on the internet?

 

[IJ Reilly]

That's interesting; I never knew that. Hopefully you're not speaking from experience.

The bottom line is, with the exception of cancers which have known genetic patterns or environmental causes, medical science really doesn't know a whole lot about why some people get it and others don't. What they do know is the rates of cancers in the general population, and the recurrence rates over time for people who've been treated for the disease. The longer a cancer patient goes without a recurrence, the less likely they are to have one. Eventually those odds drop to about the same as someone who never had the disease. Assuming they survive that long, at that point but not before, they will be considered "cured."

 

[Le Big Mac]

That's interesting; I never knew that. Hopefully you're not speaking from experience.

On the other hand, pancreatic cancer tends to kill people very quickly if it's not caught. So either the surgery got all of it, or so much of it that it hasn't recurred.

 

[WardC]

OK, I really don't want people to get the wrong message from what I was trying to say. I dearly do love Steve, both as a person, a personality, a revolutionary, a CEO, and a visionary genius. I would hate to see him go, and the last thing I want to see if for him to die a horrible painful death to pancreatic cancer, and have the whole community of us see him go before his time. That said, I do NOT want to see Steve die, at all, soon or later, because I am one of his biggest fans actually.

The point of that I was posting was pure satire. The truth is, I do believe that Steve is indeed in grave health, and I don't think it's right to lie about it if he is (gravely ill), and hide purposefully and strategically it in such a way from the public, when anyone can see (at this point) that he is not "spunky, witty, and agile" Steve of 2 or 3 years ago, and his health has declined in a swift and very quick fashion...he's "lost it" very fast. Very easy to see this. SO -- my point was to show that Steve is obviously trying to allay the public and really try to diffuse what he would like the public to think of as "myth" about his health decline, which obviously appears to be a reality which is rapidly consuming every part of him. It doesn't take a "Genius" to see this.

 

[fredsarran]

OK, I really don't want people to get the wrong message from what I was trying to say. I dearly do love Steve, both as a person, a personality, a revolutionary, a CEO, and a visionary genius. I would hate to see him go, and the last thing I want to see if for him to die a horrible painful death to pancreatic cancer, and have the whole community of us see him go before his time. That said, I do NOT want to see Steve die, at all, soon or later, because I am one of his biggest fans actually.

The point of that I was posting was pure satire. The truth is, I do believe that Steve is indeed in grave health, and I don't think it's right to lie about it if he is (gravely ill), and hide purposefully and strategically it in such a way from the public, when anyone can see (at this point) that he is not "spunky, witty, and agile" Steve of 2 or 3 years ago, and his health has declined in a swift and very quick fashion...he's "lost it" very fast. Very easy to see this. SO -- my point was to show that Steve is obviously trying to allay the public and really try to diffuse what he would like the public to think of as "myth" about his health decline, which obviously appears to be a reality which is rapidly consuming every part of him. It doesn't take a "Genius" to see this.

Ah man You are so right. I agree with every word you say. I admire Steve a lot. Despite his maniac side of things, he is a genius.

 

[Diatribe]

Geez people. He is a strict vegan, have you ever seen vegans? He is not any thinner than the ones I have seen.

 

[Muncher]

Because he's the one with the creative vision. Without his vision, Apple becomes an overpriced box. Those who do not learn from the past....

I think Jon Ives shares some of that vision...

 

[IJ Reilly]

On the other hand, pancreatic cancer tends to kill people very quickly if it's not caught. So either the surgery got all of it, or so much of it that it hasn't recurred.

This isn't correct. There's two types of pancreatic cancer. The most common kind is extremely deadly. If Steve had been suffering from this form, he'd probably be dead by now, no matter when they caught it. At the time he was reported to have been treated for the rarer and far less deadly type.

OK, I really don't want people to get the wrong message from what I was trying to say. I dearly do love Steve, both as a person, a personality, a revolutionary, a CEO, and a visionary genius. I would hate to see him go, and the last thing I want to see if for him to die a horrible painful death to pancreatic cancer, and have the whole community of us see him go before his time. That said, I do NOT want to see Steve die, at all, soon or later, because I am one of his biggest fans actually.

The point of that I was posting was pure satire. The truth is, I do believe that Steve is indeed in grave health, and I don't think it's right to lie about it if he is (gravely ill), and hide purposefully and strategically it in such a way from the public, when anyone can see (at this point) that he is not "spunky, witty, and agile" Steve of 2 or 3 years ago, and his health has declined in a swift and very quick fashion...he's "lost it" very fast. Very easy to see this. SO -- my point was to show that Steve is obviously trying to allay the public and really try to diffuse what he would like the public to think of as "myth" about his health decline, which obviously appears to be a reality which is rapidly consuming every part of him. It doesn't take a "Genius" to see this.

Not only is this wrong, I find myself resenting the implications. I presume you've never known someone who's been through a difficult surgical procedure. Trust me, you don't just jump out of your hospital bed and play a round of tennis. These kinds of surgeries mess your insides and they stay messed for years at least, and often for the rest of your life. Depending on the severity, you may very well never be your old self again. But this does not mean that you are "gravely ill" -- not by a long shot.

 

[queshy]

Heh, I wonder what Arn thinks about this...

Anyways, he is getting older, and people gain and lose weight all the time. What is certain is that he is experiencing weight loss.

Why, though, is the question. He is a vegan - but he has always been (although he sometimes eats fish).

The whipple procedure is a huge one -- and can definitely cause weight loss. He could also be on anti-depressants (for X, Y, and Z reasons, who knows?).


I really admire him as a person, and I care about him more than I care about Apple.

 

[IJ Reilly]

A "frail old man?" These commentaries only seems get worse.

Piece of advice: If you do know someone who's been through major surgery, do them a big favor -- stay as far away from them as possible. They'll have enough to cope with without dealing with someone who makes depressing judgements.

 

[queshy]

A "frail old man?" These commentaries only seems get worse.

Piece of advice: If you do know someone who's been through major surgery, do them a big favor -- stay as far away from them as possible. They'll have enough to cope with without dealing with someone who makes depressing judgements.

I removed that part of my post because it seems to bother you.

But what is wrong with speculation? People go through up and down cycles all the time in terms of their weight - and older people often lose muscle mass and it gets converted into fat. Muscle weighs more than fat. Jobs isn't that old - which is why that possibility isn't very likely - but again, what's wrong with speculation? He could be malnourished, i.e. doesn't want to eat either because cancer treatments are making him that way or he is having having continued effects from the whipple procedure. If you wikipedia this procedure , you will see that it's really an invasive procedure.

 

[belvdr]

Trust me, you don't just jump out of your hospital bed and play a round of tennis.

That just tickled me. I can only imagine some sickly grandma getting out of the hospital and heading straight for the courts.

 

[IJ Reilly]

I removed that part of my post because it seems to bother you.

Only because it's offensive.

But what is wrong with speculation? People go through up and down cycles all the time in terms of their weight - and older people often lose muscle mass and it gets converted into fat. Muscle weighs more than fat. Jobs isn't that old - which is why that possibility isn't very likely - but again, what's wrong with speculation? He could be malnourished, i.e. doesn't want to eat either because cancer treatments are making him that way or he is having having continued effects from the whipple procedure. If you wikipedia this procedure , you will see that it's really an invasive procedure.

You've essentially answered your own question. The type of procedure Steve Jobs required is not the kind a person recovers from quickly. It's probably not the type of procedure that anyone ever recovers from completely, at least to the extent that life resumes as it was before. Major alterations to the digestive system are extremely difficult adjustments. They affect what you can eat, how much you can eat, how often you eat, when you eat. Without going into details, I know this from first-hand experience.

That just tickled me. I can only imagine some sickly grandma getting out of the hospital and heading straight for the courts.

You might try to imagine something else.

 

[fredsarran]

Heh, I wonder what Arn thinks about this...

Anyways, he is getting older, and people gain and lose weight all the time. What is certain is that he is experiencing weight loss.

Why, though, is the question. He is a vegan - but he has always been (although he sometimes eats fish).

The whipple procedure is a huge one -- and can definitely cause weight loss. He could also be on anti-depressants (for X, Y, and Z reasons, who knows?).


I really admire him as a person, and I care about him more than I care about Apple.

Thats interesting, I did not know he was a vegan. Now I am dissapointed Just because I love meat and I do not understand the reasons to be vegan, besides if he was allergic to tons of stuff.