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Other The way forward for better iPhone sales
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Well maybe saner prices. Let’s bring it back to the 750-899 price range again. 1k is the breaking point for regular people not browsing max forums aka Normies. Let’s get the year phones back to 500-609 range. While iPhones are great phones no doubt, it’s hard to stomach the prices when you can get a great phone like the one plus 6T for 500-600 dollars.
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A phone that can be paid in installments and sells in the millions isn’t a luxury brand.
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People need to chill out with claiming the iPhone is a luxury brand. They sell millions. Theyre not exclusively. A Jaguar F-Type is a luxury. A model s with ludicrous mode is a luxury brand. Rolex is a luxury brand.
A phone that can be paid in installments and sells in the millions isn’t a luxury brand.
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Great article from Bloomberg: Apple's Cook Faces Toughest Test Yet Navigating iPhone Slowdown
"Wedbush’s Ives said Cook has two choices: “Cut prices and figure out China and realize recent iPhone pricing was a mistake or they can have a sense of hubris and continue the current strategy.” He expects Cook will steer Apple toward the former."
I haven't seen practically any iPhone 4 type of devices in quite a while. Mostly it's the iPhone X/XS/XR and 8/7 and some 6 type of devices. Occasionally some 5 type of devices. Interesting areas you seem to be in.
I haven’t seen a 4 in years. I sometimes see 5 but rarely. It’s mainly the big models like 6 and above.
NYC metro area commuter trains provide quite the cross-section of classes between my starting point (ritzy suburbs) and ending point (Manhattan) 5 days a week, 2x a day.
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There are 5 billion smartphone subscribers in the world.
Of that, there are 50 million iPhone X's.
That's 1% of all smartphones.
Luxury.
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As a point of reference, Luxury Automobiles comprise 6% of all cars on the road.
So 1% of all smartphones makes the iPhone X as exclusive as the niche occupied by Ferrari, Rolls Royce, and Bentley.
You may work and live near wealthy people who own a disproportionate amount of iPhone X's, hell, I do too. But that doesn't mean they are commonplace or pedestrian. On a global scale, and Apple is a global business, the iPhone X is quite a luxury purchase.
Hence the reason why when Apple goes crossing the strategies and tries to take its flagship product down to the mid-tier they fail. A poor-man's Ferrari satisfies neither the high-end Ferrari owner nor the middle-manager being seen in it's knock-off. The 5C was a bust, the Xr is a bust. Apple needs to double-down on luxury and take prices up in whatever the next gen flagship model is.
Do you thing a yugo is a luxury car? Only 300,000 were made of those pieces of junk. Thats like 0.015 of the population. That’s exclusivity right there.
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Last year, everyone said I was crazy when I said the iPhone X was designed for the luxury market, that we weren't afraid of a $1000+ smartphone, and while unit sales would decline it would be Apple's best-selling iPhone ever on the strength of a luxury pricepoint and a luxury consumer yearning for something different than what the masses use. They threw up so-called analyst experts, they talked about suppliers complaining. They were wrong.
So it's no surprise that this year people will say I'm crazy when I say the Xr and all the other "S" releases fail because Apple has no business toying with the mid-tier and lower-tier smartphone business, especially acute here in 2019 when the category is bereft of any real new innovation.
You think you'd learn.
I’m going to be honest with you, you’re really out of touch with the ‘tech world’, the XR is exactly what Apple needed to do in terms of trying to create a balance of having a phone that would be more affordable under the iPhone XS. Not only that, but it competes with the other competitors who are offering 6 inch smart phones as well, I think the XR easily will be more popular and Outsell the XS long-term, simply because of its price point alone. Apple isn’t about catering to the luxury demographic, they are a company seeking to making money, the XR is one of those ways.
There-in lies the problem - 50 million customers is not enough for a trillion dollar company
Unless iphone X becomes > 5,000 dollars!
I don’t think they feel they can backtrack on prices, so keep the entry prices the same. But, lower the prices for internal storage upgrades, add the fast charging plugs to the phones, along with the dongles they removed. Design a new home screen for iOS 13 to complement the new iPhone X line. While you’re in iOS 13, acknowledge it’s a bloody computer and stop phone calls from kicking you out of apps.
Throw people a few bones and they will stay loyal. Keep making them pay for things Android provides out the box and keep refusing to make common sense changes to the OS and you risk hurting your brand.
Throw people a few bones and they will stay loyal. Keep making them pay for things Android provides out the box and keep refusing to make common sense changes to the OS and you risk hurting your brand.
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It’s unfortunate that boltjames ruined this thread. Bolt, are you upset that a lot of people have a more expensive and higher end phone than you do in the XS Max?
Plus-sized phones are for college dropouts in mom's basement who can't afford a flat screen TV or a game console. I'm surprised Apple even bothered to make one considering the X is the perfect size/balance of screen real estate. As a senior executive, being seen with an oversized phone sends a very bad message.
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There is a big difference between investor expectations and real world performance. Saying Apple is a disappointment is like criticizing Mila Kunis because she chipped the nail polish on the edge of her pinky.
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The world doesn't want a phone that is "more affordable and under" the current Apple flagship. They've been going down this road for years and they get stuck in the middle time and time again.
The XR is a cheaper knockoff of the X. People can buy the superior months-old X for less money than the XR. People can buy the superior brand-new XS for slightly more money than the XR. So what is the XR's audience? Naive old ladies who don't know any better? Naive teen girls who like pretty colors?
When Apple does this, the step-down segment they think exists simply doesn't meet expectations, sends their stock price tumbling, starts these grumpy anti-Apple narratives. Hey, if the strategy is to drive the stock price down every-other-year so that shareholders can ride the rise the following year it's genius. But as a product strategy, it's as lame as 10 chicken nuggets for $1.49 at Burger King. It's beneath Apple to cater to that crowd.
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Apple is claiming that 'services' have become a big part of its revenue. That model will only work if you have a lot of iphone users - well below senior exec levels!!
Services are often dependent upon decisions of third parties- Netflix for streaming as an example, retailers for Apple Pay as another. Service growth is out of Apple's control for the most part.
Apple's biggest challenge, as stated yesterday, is that their products are of class-leading quality and don't need replacement as frequently as in year's past. The rest of this is just noise. When Apple comes out with something truly meaningful to consumers- like Face ID, the Notch, the bigger OLED display- sales are off the charts and break sales records. When Apple comes out with a marginal "S" level update, it's a big yawn.
When the 2017 iPhone X crowd is itching for a new iPhone in 2020, Apple will deliver something really compelling. Until then it's the trough of Apple malcontents trying to shoot them down. Happens every-other-year since 2012. This isn't new.
1. Make a phone that can easily fit in my pocket.
2. Headphone jack
3. "toggles" which actually turn stuff on/off and not "maybe"
4. Revamped OS
.. IMHO
2. Headphone jack
3. "toggles" which actually turn stuff on/off and not "maybe"
4. Revamped OS
.. IMHO
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Especially this. Every maker out there is doing everything they can to give you new/better usability features. Apple give you Animoji by the truck load
Especially this. Every maker out there is doing everything they can to give you new/better usability features. Apple give you Animoji by the truck load
