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Should I buy it or will it get a update?

  • Buy it, they will not update it in 2021

    Votes: 49 92.5%
  • Don't buy it, they will release a update in 2021

    Votes: 4 7.5%

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turbineseaplane

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Do you? Why? I that the APM has its limited users but they still sell.

for me it’s perfect when I need to isolate my self

That's great! Enjoy!

It should be noted that "it still sells" has been true of every product that Apple has ever put out to pasture.
 

bigshot

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First I have heard of that. All the iOS15 Beta features and Beta firmwares have been focused on AirPods Pro.
I've heard that there's stuff that updates the effectiveness of spatial audio across all of the AirPods.
 

5425642

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So I did take a 2h drive today to the Apple Store to try it on, and WOW it feels great. I also did try it with my glasses and it was the best feeling headphones with glasses that I have tried.

So, I'll think about it for one or two days more but everything pointing to that I'll get them :)
 
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jazz1

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So I did take a 2h drive today to the Apple Store to try it on, and WOW it feels great. I also did try it with my glasses and it was the best feeling headphones with glasses that I have tried.

So, I'll think about it for one or two days more but everything pointing to that I'll get them :)
I know I've already raved about these headphones, here, other websites, and with friends/ family.

They are the best wireless headphones that I have ever heard. No, they don't beat out my mid-fi, wired heaphone(s) headphone amplifier/DAC systems. While they aren't inexpensive, I think it would save many people, who are looking for performance, and not have to invest in the wired headphone, headphone amplifier/DAC system.

Movies sound great, so if your watching something solo, it certainly beats the puny speaker system of TV monitors. It certainly does mine.

I think they are a great way to get surprisingly good sound, and not be tethered to a desk. The range from my M1 MacMini is fantastic. I can pretty much roam around my house and outside deck with very few dropouts.

Once I got over the price, my only disappointment is the battery life vs. some other brands. But I get it. It is the price you pay for ease of connection between Apple devices.

Finally the ANC (active noise cancellation) and transparency modes are fantastic. Okay time to watch Black Widow using the AirPods Max!:)
 
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I did order them today for 550 euro.
I could find them for 500 euro also but I did order other stuff also and because of that the hole order got cheaper at the place where I did order them for 550.

now I’m just waiting until tomorrow when they arrive. I’ll also buy the applecare+ for them as it’s so cheap :)
 
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Cashmonee

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I know I am a tad late as it seems you have already ordered them, but I will offer my thought anyway. The biggest thing for me is to make sure you get them somewhere with a good return policy. That is not to say they are bad or anything, but they certainly are not a slam dunk.

In the 4 months I have had mine, there are two major issues I have with them. One, the weight makes it hard to wear them if I am at all moving around. For example, I cannot vacuum the house with them. Two, with ANC on they create significant pressure. The pressure is to the point of making me feel sick. It makes the ANC useless for me. Both of these may or may not be a problem for others, but that is why I suggest a good return policy. If those things end up being an issue for you, returning will be your best bet. With the price drops and what looks like lack of demand, resell prices for these are not fantastic at this point.

On the positive side, the transparency mode is absolutely class leading. When you are not moving around, they are pretty comfortable. The sound is good, even if not to the level many claim. They are not anywhere close to a good wired headphone, but they are not really supposed to be. The multi-device connecting is fantastic.

Do you? Why? I that the APM has its limited users but they still sell.

for me it’s perfect when I need to isolate my self

People thought the HomePod was selling too only to later find out they had never sold through the original run. The AirPods Max are taking an eerily similar path to the HomePod. Appears to be sold out early on only to be all the sudden easily available at under MSRP. I think this will be the one version of the AirPods Max. We may see a HomePod mini like version, but I do not think we will see a second version at this price point and materials.
 

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I know I am a tad late as it seems you have already ordered them, but I will offer my thought anyway. The biggest thing for me is to make sure you get them somewhere with a good return policy. That is not to say they are bad or anything, but they certainly are not a slam dunk.

In the 4 months I have had mine, there are two major issues I have with them. One, the weight makes it hard to wear them if I am at all moving around. For example, I cannot vacuum the house with them. Two, with ANC on they create significant pressure. The pressure is to the point of making me feel sick. It makes the ANC useless for me. Both of these may or may not be a problem for others, but that is why I suggest a good return policy. If those things end up being an issue for you, returning will be your best bet. With the price drops and what looks like lack of demand, resell prices for these are not fantastic at this point.

On the positive side, the transparency mode is absolutely class leading. When you are not moving around, they are pretty comfortable. The sound is good, even if not to the level many claim. They are not anywhere close to a good wired headphone, but they are not really supposed to be. The multi-device connecting is fantastic.



People thought the HomePod was selling too only to later find out they had never sold through the original run. The AirPods Max are taking an eerily similar path to the HomePod. Appears to be sold out early on only to be all the sudden easily available at under MSRP. I think this will be the one version of the AirPods Max. We may see a HomePod mini like version, but I do not think we will see a second version at this price point and materials.
I love it, yes they are a bit heavy but also I have never have headphones that work so good with glasses like the AirPods max.
I’m totally in love :)

HomePod was to expensive because Sonos did already have all of what the HomePod did offer but to a Better price and soundx
 

nikkisharif

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I have never have headphones that work so good with glasses like the AirPods max.

I, absolutely, agree with this statement! Haven’t had one issue with them being uncomfortable with my glasses. Usually there’s pain near my temples or behind my ear if I wear headphones too long. Somehow, there’s no issue with APM & I wear them at least 7-8hrs a day.
 
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Scarboose

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I think it is also conceivable that the AirPods Max end up like the original HomePod: amazing sound but priced too high for most people. I could see them never getting a V2 and instead getting discontinued after a while. Not saying that will for sure happen. But it’s possible.

Bottom line: if you want them, go for it. I don’t think you will see a revision anytime soon.
I respectfully disagree. I think the HomePod is a different beast. It was more expensive and could do less than its direct competitors. Or at the very least, it did the same as its competitors. It didn't offer that much to apple users except great sound quality. It never moves either, so who cares if it pairs seamlessly. Plus, a HomePod type product isn't a product that people want to spend a lot of money on. Without any actual numbers to back it up, I would say consumers are willing to spend more money on headphones vs a HomePod.
 
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supermars

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I am not sure what people expect a V2 might have? The Airpods Max replaced my Sennheiser bluetooth headphones from 2015 and its pretty much the same. The build is better, literally 10 seconds to swap the earpads is amazing. The auto-switching is nice. But other than that, its basically the same as my Sennheiser was. It also did noise cancellation pretty well.
I am ready for AirPods Max v2 : softer and natural pads ( leather ), lighter (-15% or more) and lossless sound quality (or high res ). Will pay the same price.
 

NastyMatt

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I am ready for AirPods Max v2 : softer and natural pads ( leather ), lighter (-15% or more) and lossless sound quality (or high res ). Will pay the same price.
I would pay the cash right now if they implemented lossless on a new version. I'd look past the lightning connector, weight, condensation and bra!
 

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I respectfully disagree. I think the HomePod is a different beast. It was more expensive and could do less than its direct competitors. Or at the very least, it did the same as its competitors. It didn't offer that much to apple users except great sound quality. It never moves either, so who cares if it pairs seamlessly. Plus, a HomePod type product isn't a product that people want to spend a lot of money on. Without any actual numbers to back it up, I would say consumers are willing to spend more money on headphones vs a HomePod.
I don’t think my is heavy. And the pads are soft.

love them ❤️
 

Cashmonee

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I am ready for AirPods Max v2 : softer and natural pads ( leather ), lighter (-15% or more) and lossless sound quality (or high res ). Will pay the same price.
I would pay the cash right now if they implemented lossless on a new version. I'd look past the lightning connector, weight, condensation and bra!
Don't get your hopes up for lossless audio over bluetooth. On the plus side, you likely wouldn't notice the difference anyway, especially with a headphone like the Max.

I do believe they may be considering a V2 though. I recently got a survey from Apple about my APM experience which leads me to believe they are exploring the possibility.
 

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Don't get your hopes up for lossless audio over bluetooth. On the plus side, you likely wouldn't notice the difference anyway, especially with a headphone like the Max.

I do believe they may be considering a V2 though. I recently got a survey from Apple about my APM experience which leads me to believe they are exploring the possibility.
Ofc they do but they have 2-3 years between updates for AirPods and that how it should bee as the headphone tech don’t rush
 

NastyMatt

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Don't get your hopes up for lossless audio over bluetooth. On the plus side, you likely wouldn't notice the difference anyway, especially with a headphone like the Max.

I do believe they may be considering a V2 though. I recently got a survey from Apple about my APM experience which leads me to believe they are exploring the possibility.
Granted, I probably won't hear the difference but I like to think this is as good as the signal can get. Lossless is possible over bluetooth - if Apple want to place the APMs as a premium product they need to offer this - Qualcomm says aptX Lossless can deliver lossless CD-quality audio over Bluetooth
 
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Cashmonee

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Ofc they do but they have 2-3 years between updates for AirPods and that how it should bee as the headphone tech don’t rush
I do not think a V2 of the APM is a certainty by any stretch. Indications are that they are not selling well and it would not surprise me to see them go the way of the HomePod.

Granted, I probably won't hear the difference but I like to think this is as good as the signal can get. Lossless is possible over bluetooth - if Apple want to place the APMs as a premium product they need to offer this - Qualcomm says aptX Lossless can deliver lossless CD-quality audio over Bluetooth
Interesting. It is only 16-bit/44.1kHz though. So lossless, but not hi-res. Also, there have been a lot of lossless over bluetooth promises the last few years that never really panned out. So we will see this with this one. Although it is encouraging that it appears to be coming this year. The issue has always been bandwidth. While Bluetooth technically has enough with ideal conditions, "ideal conditions" by their very nature don't happen all the time.
 

JulianL

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If Apple really wanted to nail hires lossless for wireless headphones for an AirPod Max v2 (which I agree won’t come until very late 2022 at the earliest) it could look at adding WiFi and making them an Airplay target. Airplay already supports lossless CD quality and WiFi bandwidth isn‘t a limitation so Apple could release a v3 of Airplay that supports even higher resolutions if it wanted to.

Apple wouldn’t have to expose any of that complexity to the user. The fancy auto-switching and connection to Apple devices could still behave exactly as now using Bluetooth but once the device is connected both ends could then agree to establish an additional Airplay connection over the WiFi radio and send the audio stream down that while the Bluetooth stream still manages all the rest (control, switch devices, disconnect, settings etc).

Yes, that would lock users wanting to get the lossless stuff into the Apple ecosystem but Apple has never been shy about doing that.
 

Cashmonee

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If Apple really wanted to nail hires lossless for wireless headphones for an AirPod Max v2 (which I agree won’t come until very late 2022 at the earliest) it could look at adding WiFi and making them an Airplay target. Airplay already supports lossless CD quality and WiFi bandwidth isn‘t a limitation so Apple could release a v3 of Airplay that supports even higher resolutions if it wanted to.

Apple wouldn’t have to expose any of that complexity to the user. The fancy auto-switching and connection to Apple devices could still behave exactly as now using Bluetooth but once the device is connected both ends could then agree to establish an additional Airplay connection over the WiFi radio and send the audio stream down that while the Bluetooth stream still manages all the rest (control, switch devices, disconnect, settings etc).

Yes, that would lock users wanting to get the lossless stuff into the Apple ecosystem but Apple has never been shy about doing that.
This idea is floated often and the biggest hurdle would be battery usage.
 

JulianL

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This idea is floated often and the biggest hurdle would be battery usage.

Thanks. I've only had my APMs for less than 2 days and pretty much bought them on impulse so I'm not really tuned into all the previous discussions and debate around my new toy. I'm enjoying them so far though. I was using B&W PX7s previously for casual wireless listening and although I thought they were good I did find the bass a bit too overblown and muddy. From most of the reviews I've read the Sony XM4s lean even more in that direction so I suspect I was wise to avoid them in terms of the sound signature I personally prefer. I was buying during a lockdown so couldn't really audition anything.

On the teardowns I saw I found it interesting that there are 2 batteries in parallel in one of the earcups and no batteries in the other earcup. I think that space in the other earcup is not used for other stuff so in terms of available internal volume I would have thought that Apple has space to double the battery capacity if it wanted to in a v2 if that were to ever get onto the drawing board. Having said that, people do complain about weight already and adding 2 extra batteries would increase the weight a bit. (My main headphones for wired audiophile listening are Meze Empyreans weighing 430g and I also have a pair of Audeze LCD-XC which weigh in at a massive 677g(!) so compared to those the APMs at 386g feel positively featherweight to me!) I'm not a big guy but for some reason even the weight of the Audeze doesn't bother me too much although I do appreciate the somewhat lighter Empyreans and the weight of the APMs cause me no issues whatsoever.

I was a bit worried about reports of the clamping force being too strong for some people but again I find that a complete non-issue for me. In fact if I was a test customer on a pre-production model my personal feedback to the product design team would if anything be to increase the clamping force slightly. Everyone has different preferences I suppose but after experiencing it for myself I am left somewhat perplexed by all comments about the clamping force being too high. I wonder if there might be batch variations or even an unannounced design tweak on more recent batches to reduce the clamping force. Or maybe I just like having my head squeezed.
 

Taco1933

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I'd assume they'd give it a while. You don't really need to update audio tech too often. I've got headphones that are a decade old that still sound great. It's kinda hard to jam exciting new stuff in there, so I would expect you'd want to milk every last ounce of sales out of a current product before a refresh. Plus, these just aren't big sellers. I wouldn't devote the R&D to make it a quick refresh. The additional sales wouldn't support it.

Or that's kinda my hope, I guess. If I just dropped $500 on obsolete headphones, I wouldn't be thrilled, but I'd also be absolutely shocked if they managed to develop a real game-changing feature that I felt I was really missing out on. I don't think lossless over bluetooth is something they had almost ready, and a few extra hours of battery or a better processor wouldn't mean much to me.
 
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