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This forum getting me concerned!
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Only if the variable (the computers) in this test were randomized as well. Since they're not and appear to fail in batches (like the bad screens on iPhones, I think it was something like weeks 37-39) then the test is faulty.
QED (since we're talking math)
Well, ultimately I guess the question is what does "risky" mean for people. Obviously there are/were issues- my only claim is that you can't get a true estimate of the percentage of bad units based on forum posts. What you can get is kind of a "relative noise" level, which is to say that normally that are some number of users complaining of issues on here, and since the new iMacs have arrived that number has clearly increased, which would suggest something out of the ordinary.
Lmao.
This thread is starting to make my head hurt. Never was a numbers guy.
But the faulty iMacs come from all batches - i.e. all weeks of production with the possible (and hopeful!) exception of the most recent weeks 49 & 50. They are random for all intents and purposes.
Well, this is an anonymous forum, so it makes little sense to wave one's degrees and credentials, so I won't bother. If indeed it was a question of degrees, then I'd be set too - cause I got 'em papers... but it's irrelevant. What's relevant is whether the argument (or math) is sound or not. You can't seem to get the hang of dependent and independent variables, but I won't speculate on what your problem is.
Thank you for not flaunting degrees. It's as pointless as a blunted sword. admanimal?
Yes? All of OldCorpses' responses poked fun at our apparent lack of statistics knowledge compared to his great understanding, so I just wanted to reassure him that he wasn't the only stats genius* here.
*Neither of us are stats geniuses.
OldCorpse said:Now, get a group of random people in a room - truly random, say from a phone book or whatever doesn't correlate with lottery playing. You'll get an impression that (correctly) says: it's rare.
Now, what if you have a sample of people in a room that you don't know if it's random or not (like macrumors here
The problem is that we don't have this hypothetical room of random people to begin with! We have a collection of self-selected users who post about their problems in the forum- and it's some of those users who are raising their hands saying they have had a problem more than once.
The bottom line is this: if you want any kind of statistically accurate estimate of the percentage of new iMacs with problems based on Macrumors forum users, then you MUST have a sample drawn from ALL Macrumors users who own new iMacs, not just users who have posted about having a problem or not. You can say this or that sample should be "close enough" but that is not a mathematically meaningful statement.
You have to admit, claiming degrees while maintaining anonymity isn't helping any argument.
I'm no math wiz but it seems to me that when people report that they have returned a product 3 or 4 time before they get one that doesn't have the defect "like screen flickering, yellowing or high pitched whistle" then there is a valid problem that warrants concern.
I don't post personally identifying information on internet forums if I can avoid it, sorry. I'll change my degree information to something more humorous for our entertainment. I'm officially done with this thread.
With that said, you need to consider how much more OCD forum members are in regards to apple products
There are those who have replaced there iphones 10 times due to minor issues that the general public doesnt notice as it doesnt affect their product
The fact that this hasnt been picked up by news sources or recognized by apple as being an issue suggests it isn't an issue (at this time at least). I assure you they have much more stats geniuses that we have participating in these threads lol
I bought my 27" i5 4 weeks ago. This is my first Apple after working 25 years with PC's. Apart from the yellow tinge, it is perfect. I'm a satisfied customer, provided Apple will exchange this unit.
My advise to the OP: if you can wait a few months, do it. I expect Apple to have the problems sorted out by then.
My advise to the OP: if you can wait a few months, do it. I expect Apple to have the problems sorted out by then.
"Denial ain't just a river in Egypt." -Mark Twain
I continue to be amazed at the lengths that some MacRumors members will go to deny that there are any problems with the new iMacs. I'm a longtime Apple customer, even sticking with them through the dark ages of the late 90's, but realize that we live in an era where quality control is just another variable in the corporate equation. The key difference between Apple and many other modern companies is that they have extraordinary customer service and I know I can count on them to fix their mistakes.
This leads me to speculate about the motives of those who continue to deny the existence of even the slightest flaw in Apple products. Since I'm already a bit of a starry-eyed fanboy myself, how far gone are these deniers? It almost makes me suspect that there may be Apple PR employees hiding under the cloak of forum anonymity.
FTR, my 27" i5 iMac is performing flawlessly so far.
I continue to be amazed at the lengths that some MacRumors members will go to deny that there are any problems with the new iMacs. I'm a longtime Apple customer, even sticking with them through the dark ages of the late 90's, but realize that we live in an era where quality control is just another variable in the corporate equation. The key difference between Apple and many other modern companies is that they have extraordinary customer service and I know I can count on them to fix their mistakes.
This leads me to speculate about the motives of those who continue to deny the existence of even the slightest flaw in Apple products. Since I'm already a bit of a starry-eyed fanboy myself, how far gone are these deniers? It almost makes me suspect that there may be Apple PR employees hiding under the cloak of forum anonymity.
FTR, my 27" i5 iMac is performing flawlessly so far.
Its known as "looking at all the facts" instead of just looking at a few posts that are reporting problems, claim to be an expert from those "statistics" and assuming there is a major issue with all the machines.
You seem to have your head buried in the sand, or you haven't spent a lot of time reading through some of the iMac threads here. People like myself who are waiting to get a new iMac and are speaking out about the major problems are not just looking at a "few" reports. We are talking about reports into the thousands if you combine macrumors and the apple discussions. It's a major issue, there is no point in denying it.
I'd also bet many problems have gone unreported considering how Apple markets their products to people who can't figure out how to turn their computer on and plug their camera in. When I was in the Apple store last, I over heard several customer conversations. One girl wanted to facebook and listen to music on her new machine, another older lady was back to get help on how to title an event in iPhoto, she couldn't figure it out for herself.
I am not bashing these 2 customers here. I think it is great that Apple is getting people on computers that may not try in any other situation and providing the kind of support where someone can walk into the store and get 1 on 1 help is awesome!! Just pointing out that many Apple customers are uniformed. Buying an Apple product is more trendy than it ever has been. People want them and their stores are always packed! I'm not talking about anybody on this site being uninformed, since by being here and reading this, you don't fit into this mold of customer.
I hope that story about the 2 week shipment delay is legit, hopefully the new iMacs are getting sorted out.
I see that the problem is deeper than simple denial. It seems that some people here view the world in simplistic black and white terms. If MacRumors forum members describe a problem they are personally experiencing with their Macs, then it must be that "there is a major issue with all the machines". Perhaps hanging around with computers too much causes binary thinking in some.
Dont let these forums scare you. Every computer has issues and you only hear the bad stuff on the forums.
Not to mention most people "think" they have a problem when they really dont. Don't get me wrong problems exist but things are usually exaggerated on a forum.
That being said you never hear the good stuff on the forums. For the thousands of macs sold only a small percentage may have problems. No more then any other hardware manufacturer out there.
As others have stated apples customer service is excellent and will fix it immediately if something is wrong.
Buy it and enjoy that 27inch LED screen.
Not to mention most people "think" they have a problem when they really dont. Don't get me wrong problems exist but things are usually exaggerated on a forum.
That being said you never hear the good stuff on the forums. For the thousands of macs sold only a small percentage may have problems. No more then any other hardware manufacturer out there.
As others have stated apples customer service is excellent and will fix it immediately if something is wrong.
Buy it and enjoy that 27inch LED screen.
You really can't let this forum scare you.
First: People will more likely come here to bitch/find a solution rather than come here to praise the product.
Second: Many people are so worried that they're making problems up. The yellow tinge is pretty funny. Although it may be true in some cases, I suspect that in many, it's just people imagining it.
Third: Apple has not acknowledged any issues (yet). If this were really a huge problem, Apple would recall/freeze shipments of the computers to fix the issue to avoid losing money on all the returns.
Fourth: If by any chance you do have a problem, Apple will take the computer back no questions asked.
I guess if you can wait, you might as well. Honestly though when you're ordeing a new computer you always have the risk of getting a lemon.
First: People will more likely come here to bitch/find a solution rather than come here to praise the product.
Second: Many people are so worried that they're making problems up. The yellow tinge is pretty funny. Although it may be true in some cases, I suspect that in many, it's just people imagining it.
Third: Apple has not acknowledged any issues (yet). If this were really a huge problem, Apple would recall/freeze shipments of the computers to fix the issue to avoid losing money on all the returns.
Fourth: If by any chance you do have a problem, Apple will take the computer back no questions asked.
I guess if you can wait, you might as well. Honestly though when you're ordeing a new computer you always have the risk of getting a lemon.