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2. How many sata connectors are on the board (I can't find any on the aerial view of the board and it's not listed anywhere that I could find)?

Pulling the product ID number off of the posted picture here, It is a derivative of a Gigabyte GA77MX D3H board :

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5850/gigabyte-gaz77mxd3h-review-z77-and-microatx

And GA77MX D3H TH

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4281#sp

They nuked some old legacy PC ports : PS/2 keyboard port , VGA port . They also tossed 2 USB 2.0 ports. Added in a FW controller on the motherboard and used the 2 USB 2.0 and PS/2 port space to put FW ports on.

Primarily just taking same parts that Apple uses and mutating an existing design to match as very closely.

If the left most of the rest the same as the TH board has 6 SATA connectors ( 2 SATA III 4 SATA II ).


3. What is the difference between the various kick starter versions? There is mention of a wifi/Bluetooth capable mobo for $269, but no retail price or detailed description of the difference between this model and the $219 model (though I assume it has a wifi/Bluetooth card added in since it has the same model number as the cheaper one).

It is kind of unclear but likely that they are using the same board in multiple boxes. Typical PC set-up of using the 1x PCI-e slot to shovel in a Wifi/BT card. The slot are more so for BTO configuration options than high bandwidth I/O.

It is a mainstream i7 package so there are only 16x PCI-e v3.0 lanes there no matter how much that slice that into smaller bandwidth for more physical slots. That's about 1 slot of a 4 slot Mac Pro. (Apple moves to a Xeon E5 upgrade and is one slot worth).

P.S. the cosmetic motherboard change from the Gigabyte versions was to change to an Apple black boards color scheme. The teardown is likely not going to be look similar to an Apple product though besides that.
 
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So – it's a Gigabyte Z77MX-QUO-AOS motherboard with custom firmware in order to run OS X? Wasn't something like that taken down before?

I'd just buy the GA-Z77X-UP4-TH - same thing but full-size ATX, it takes 10 minutes longer to install OS X and you save $65.
 
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So – it's a Gigabyte Z77MX-QUO-AOS motherboard with custom firmware in order to run OS X? Wasn't something like that taken down before?

I'd just buy the GA-Z77X-UP4-TH - same thing but full-size ATX, it takes 10 minutes longer to install OS X and you save $65.

You are quite wrong though.
 
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So – it's a Gigabyte Z77MX-QUO-AOS motherboard with custom firmware in order to run OS X? Wasn't something like that taken down before?

I'd just buy the GA-Z77X-UP4-TH - same thing but full-size ATX, it takes 10 minutes longer to install OS X and you save $65.

I had a Hack Pro built in January, I selected that board because I wanted Thunderbolt ports as an option. The builder got it running but the Thunderbolt ports were inoperable and half the USB 3.0 ports too.
Furthermore, it ran really slow for an i7 2500k so I got them to start again replacing it with an Asus Sabertooth P67 board. It now runs at twice the speed and has USB 2.0, Firewire 400 and eSATA instead.

Very happy with the new machine, about 30% faster than my Mac Pro 2008 octo 2.8 GHz and cost about £1200 to build.
 
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You are quite wrong though.
Care to elaborate?


I had a Hack Pro built in January, I selected that board because I wanted Thunderbolt ports as an option. The builder got it running but the Thunderbolt ports were inoperable and half the USB 3.0 ports too.
Furthermore, it ran really slow for an i7 2500k so I got them to start again replacing it with an Asus Sabertooth P77 board. It now runs at twice the speed and has USB 2.0, Firewire 400 and eSATA instead.

Very happy with the new machine, about 30% faster than my Mac Pro 2008 octo 2.8 GHz and cost about £1200 to build.
The whole idea of Hackintoshes is that if you can't figure out why, it's just not for you.
 
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I had a Hack Pro built in January, I selected that board because I wanted Thunderbolt ports as an option. The builder got it running but the Thunderbolt ports were inoperable and half the USB 3.0 ports too.
Not sure about the UP4-TH board, but I've used the GA-Z77X-UP5 TH board on several builds and it makes for one of the most flawless Hackintoshes ever. Lightning fast- with a 3770K the geekbench score is 15800, which is 8 core MacPro range.

Thunderbolt ports on a Hack can be misleading- on the UP5 builds I've done, nothing shows up under thunderbolt hardware unless a TB device is actually hooked up. Unless you tested it, it may have been working.

USB 3 usually requires 3rd party drivers- Eton, CalDigit or LaCie depending on the board/controller. I've had no problems with USB 3 so long as the right driver was installed.

At any rate, I've heard the Asus board you have makes for a great Hack too. I've just stuck with Gigabyte because they consistantly make boards that work great.

As to the topic: I think that QUO company is cruising for a major legal beat-down.

That board pictured is nothing but a custom Gigabyte board; it's an update to the GA-Z77MX-D3H TH.

The board markings are dead giveaways:
e42gigabytez77mxd3hthuwyju.jpg

z77mx-quo-aos-mobo-ogrady-620x557.jpg


To me it even looks like they 'shopped out the Gigabyte logo from where it would obviously be, and possibly the QUO logo as well.

And the whole line of Gigabyte motherboards has been moving from the blue PCB to the grey for some time now.

I'm of the same thinking that Hackintoshes are great for individual builders and keeping it under the radar, so to speak. But every time some company comes along and thinks they can somehow cleverly bottle and sell the work of OSx86, I personally think it's taking it a step too far.

Read the Wikipedia article on the Psystar case. That company got slapped six ways from sunday for the stunts they tried to pull. They were of course blatant about selling actual assembled/installed Hackintoshes, but if you read the details of that case, they later tried to switch gears and just sell the hardware and a custom EFI that allowed installation of OSX. The court ruled they would be shut down for that as well.

I get that this company is just trying to be less blatant/more clever about doing essentially the same thing as Pystar's last efforts before they were shut down, with a bit of a 'wink and nod' approach saying "Hey, it's just off the shelf stuff, there's nothing particularly special about this that lets it run OSX... it just happens to. But meanwhile, we'd like to raise a bunch of money with the very thing we're going to later deny... as the main selling point."

To me, it sounds shaky at best. First off, the real kicker is: they're right on the first point of defense. There's nothing really special about it. They're capitalizing on the fact that many Gigabyte motherboards make good Hackintoshes, and that the OSx86 crowd has already done the heavy lifting.

Custom BIOSes to allow OSX to run easier are nothing new either. Heck, now there's even a one-click utility that will generate a custom BIOS for OSX compatibility in a matter of seconds.

So the only people ready to throw their money at this like it's something special- are simply people that don't know how old news it is (you can already do the same thing yourself, right now, with dozens of motherboards).

At the worst, if they did succeed, it will probably prompt Apple to bitchslap them hard legally, and then take further steps at locking down their OS even more.

Personally, I dunno.. I kind of find it douche-baggish of them to use kickstarter for this. If they're already any kind of legit company, what do they need with kickstarter money? If they're really a fly-by-night that can't fund their own R&D, then why does anyone need them trying to profiteer off what the OSx86 crowd has done?
 
Personally, I dunno.. I kind of find it douche-baggish of them to use kickstarter for this. If they're already any kind of legit company, what do they need with kickstarter money? If they're really a fly-by-night that can't fund their own R&D, then why does anyone need them trying to profiteer off what the OSx86 crowd has done?

I actually agree. This will end badly for them and I believe make it harder for the home enthusiast over time.
 
Wish apple would just license OSX to us folks to run it on the computer of our choice. Would enjoy OSX on my 3770k build. Dual boot option would be sweet too. I know I am dreaming. But this lame system is a joke.
 
I think they need to keep it like it is. It's pretty much the one component keeping them in the game. They make their personal computer money on the fact that macs are closed systems in the obvious ways. Like Amiga was and others also. OS X is that final door holding back potentially department killing flood waters. If they open that we can potentially say goodbye to Apple computers as we know them. It may take a few years (or it could be sudden) but the potential energy that would do the damage looks pretty real from my chair.
 
Not sure about the UP4-TH board, but I've used the GA-Z77X-UP5 TH board on several builds and it makes for one of the most flawless Hackintoshes ever. Lightning fast- with a 3770K the geekbench score is 15800, which is 8 core MacPro range.

Thunderbolt ports on a Hack can be misleading- on the UP5 builds I've done, nothing shows up under thunderbolt hardware unless a TB device is actually hooked up. Unless you tested it, it may have been working.

USB 3 usually requires 3rd party drivers- Eton, CalDigit or LaCie depending on the board/controller. I've had no problems with USB 3 so long as the right driver was installed.

At any rate, I've heard the Asus board you have makes for a great Hack too. I've just stuck with Gigabyte because they consistantly make boards that work great.

As to the topic: I think that QUO company is cruising for a major legal beat-down.

That board pictured is nothing but a custom Gigabyte board; it's an update to the GA-Z77MX-D3H TH.

The board markings are dead giveaways:Image
Image

To me it even looks like they 'shopped out the Gigabyte logo from where it would obviously be, and possibly the QUO logo as well.

And the whole line of Gigabyte motherboards has been moving from the blue PCB to the grey for some time now.

I'm of the same thinking that Hackintoshes are great for individual builders and keeping it under the radar, so to speak. But every time some company comes along and thinks they can somehow cleverly bottle and sell the work of OSx86, I personally think it's taking it a step too far.

Read the Wikipedia article on the Psystar case. That company got slapped six ways from sunday for the stunts they tried to pull. They were of course blatant about selling actual assembled/installed Hackintoshes, but if you read the details of that case, they later tried to switch gears and just sell the hardware and a custom EFI that allowed installation of OSX. The court ruled they would be shut down for that as well.

I get that this company is just trying to be less blatant/more clever about doing essentially the same thing as Pystar's last efforts before they were shut down, with a bit of a 'wink and nod' approach saying "Hey, it's just off the shelf stuff, there's nothing particularly special about this that lets it run OSX... it just happens to. But meanwhile, we'd like to raise a bunch of money with the very thing we're going to later deny... as the main selling point."

To me, it sounds shaky at best. First off, the real kicker is: they're right on the first point of defense. There's nothing really special about it. They're capitalizing on the fact that many Gigabyte motherboards make good Hackintoshes, and that the OSx86 crowd has already done the heavy lifting.

Custom BIOSes to allow OSX to run easier are nothing new either. Heck, now there's even a one-click utility that will generate a custom BIOS for OSX compatibility in a matter of seconds.

So the only people ready to throw their money at this like it's something special- are simply people that don't know how old news it is (you can already do the same thing yourself, right now, with dozens of motherboards).

At the worst, if they did succeed, it will probably prompt Apple to bitchslap them hard legally, and then take further steps at locking down their OS even more.

Personally, I dunno.. I kind of find it douche-baggish of them to use kickstarter for this. If they're already any kind of legit company, what do they need with kickstarter money? If they're really a fly-by-night that can't fund their own R&D, then why does anyone need them trying to profiteer off what the OSx86 crowd has done?

Looking at the board you posted and the board images of the Q board, it looks like Gigabyte is just recustomizing that board to fit whatever the Quo people requested and are ordering.

If you look in the bottom left corner you can see it is Revision 0.2, which is a non-production / test sample. AFAIK, Gigabyte has never shipped a board with a revision lower than 1.0. I have heard of them building custom boards for customers too... probably hence why the KickStarter fund is 87,000... probably need that to pay Gigabyte to put the board into full production.
 
Wish apple would just license OSX to us folks to run it on the computer of our choice. Would enjoy OSX on my 3770k build. Dual boot option would be sweet too. I know I am dreaming. But this lame system is a joke.

I think that was a lesson that Apple won't forget, so the chances of this happening are around 0.
 
Care to elaborate?


http://www.tonymacx86.com/buying-advice/78440-hacintosh-compatibility-gigabyte-ga-z77x-up4-th.html

Tonymac removed this board from the Goldenbuilds list due to the problems encountered by so many builders.


The whole idea of Hackintoshes is that if you can't figure out why, it's just not for you.

My builder spent 6 hours reconfiguring the Multibeast install and I spent 8 hours scouring the net for possible fixes.
In the end swapping out the board made more sense than having a crippled i7.
I still have the Giga board in case it becomes more viable in future, or I may make a Win 7 Solidworks workstation out of it depending on how it pans out.

The right Gigabyte Thunderbolt board is as Zaap says: GA-Z77X-UP5 TH but these cost £250+ in the UK
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-SKT-1155-Z77X-UP5-Thunderbolt-Motherboard/dp/B008KA7Z32/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1362473743&sr=1-1

The Sabertooth P67 was £129 as a shoo-in.
Bench compared to my '08 MP octo: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/compare/1534318/1305357
 
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Care to elaborate?



The whole idea of Hackintoshes is that if you can't figure out why, it's just not for you.

For starters it is a custom board made by Gigabyte USA and resembles some of their other boards (it even states this right on the homepage and kickstarter: The motherboard is created by a very reputable company, Gigabyte USA as an exclusive OEM project.) but this particular board does not have all the legacy ports and only have components that is supported in OS X. For example the audio chip is different and it includes IEEE 1394/1394B (FireWire 400/800) and Intel Gbit LAN as well. If you look closely at the board you can easily see the difference in the PCB layout.

It wouldn't really hurt if people did some reading instead of comparing board layouts and pictures and made weird conspiracy theories based on that ...
 
This is in no way a Mac Pro board..

All it shows is an xMac could be priced at $1200 or so..but we all knew that.
 
I am against hackintoshs purely on the basis that if I was to spend dough on custom parts I would get the best I could afford and put Windows or Linux on it to get the most out of it.

I agree with Zaap as well.
 
For starters it is a custom board made by Gigabyte USA and resembles some of their other boards (it even states this right on the homepage and kickstarter: The motherboard is created by a very reputable company, Gigabyte USA as an exclusive OEM project.) but this particular board does not have all the legacy ports and only have components that is supported in OS X. For example the audio chip is different and it includes IEEE 1394/1394B (FireWire 400/800) and Intel Gbit LAN as well. If you look closely at the board you can easily see the difference in the PCB layout.

It wouldn't really hurt if people did some reading instead of comparing board layouts and pictures and made weird conspiracy theories based on that ...
And what did I say again that contradicts that?
 
For starters it is a custom board made by Gigabyte USA and resembles some of their other boards (it even states this right on the homepage and kickstarter: The motherboard is created by a very reputable company, Gigabyte USA as an exclusive OEM project.) but this particular board does not have all the legacy ports and only have components that is supported in OS X. For example the audio chip is different and it includes IEEE 1394/1394B (FireWire 400/800) and Intel Gbit LAN as well. If you look closely at the board you can easily see the difference in the PCB layout.

It wouldn't really hurt if people did some reading instead of comparing board layouts and pictures and made weird conspiracy theories based on that ...
There's no real conspiracy about it. The comparison is to see that Gigabyte already makes a board with the exact same layout. The only differences are the Intel NIC and the addition of FW 800.

There's nothing wrong with custom commissioning a motherboard, but they're trying to skirt by a very narrow legal ledge. Why do you need kickstarter funds just to have someone build you a motherboard? If it's already a legit company, they should be able to pony up thier own cash.

Instead, they're trying to take something that's already widely available (one can add FW 800, and Realtek and other NICs work just fine with OSX) and act like it's some amazing thing- while they wink that the real selling point is running OSX on it.

Companies have already been beaten by Apple for blatantly creating things to circumvent their copyrights and selling them as such- even if they're trying to hide behind it being common.

It's the same as I can't custom commission a DVD or Blu-Ray drive that circumvents someone else's copyright protection, and then wink around about it "Pure drive freedom! Let's you copy anything you want... wink wink!" I'd get my ass handed to me in court trying that, let alone conning people into giving me kickstarter money for it. (Let's all just pretend for a minute the selling point is a board that runs Windows and Linux! How unique! We need kickstarter money for that!)

It's one thing to do things as a hobby that involve circumventing someone else's copyrighted material, it's another to do it as a commercial enterprise. We'll see how this shakes out- somehow people seem to think Apple is kind and gentle about others even appearing to violate their copyrights- let alone blatantly doing so. Not the Apple I know of.
 
There's no real conspiracy about it. The comparison is to see that Gigabyte already makes a board with the exact same layout. The only differences are the Intel NIC and the addition of FW 800.

There's nothing wrong with custom commissioning a motherboard, but they're trying to skirt by a very narrow legal ledge. Why do you need kickstarter funds just to have someone build you a motherboard? If it's already a legit company, they should be able to pony up thier own cash.

Instead, they're trying to take something that's already widely available (one can add FW 800, and Realtek and other NICs work just fine with OSX) and act like it's some amazing thing- while they wink that the real selling point is running OSX on it.

Companies have already been beaten by Apple for blatantly creating things to circumvent their copyrights and selling them as such- even if they're trying to hide behind it being common.

It's the same as I can't custom commission a DVD or Blu-Ray drive that circumvents someone else's copyright protection, and then wink around about it "Pure drive freedom! Let's you copy anything you want... wink wink!" I'd get my ass handed to me in court trying that, let alone conning people into giving me kickstarter money for it. (Let's all just pretend for a minute the selling point is a board that runs Windows and Linux! How unique! We need kickstarter money for that!)

It's one thing to do things as a hobby that involve circumventing someone else's copyrighted material, it's another to do it as a commercial enterprise. We'll see how this shakes out- somehow people seem to think Apple is kind and gentle about others even appearing to violate their copyrights- let alone blatantly doing so. Not the Apple I know of.

You seem to feel strongly against it on a personal level. Nowhere do they mention Apple or OS X on the homepage or Kickstarter.

This board just happens to be, probably, the best compliant motherboard to run OS X that isn't designed by Apple.

They also removed all the legacy crap.
 
It's not personal, just as I already said, I think it's kind of douche-baggish to attempt to commercialize the work of the OSx86 crowd. I said the same thing about Pystar, and it was pretty much easy to predict exactly what happened to them.

IE: in that case: On December 15, 2009, the judge in the California action issued a permanent injunction barring Psystar from manufacturing, distributing, or assisting anyone with any sort of device or technology "that is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure". The ruling applies to all current and future versions of Mac OS X and Judge Alsup made it clear that "Psystar will be selling Rebel EFI at its peril, and risks finding itself held in contempt if its new venture falls within the scope of the injunction."[29] The ruling also requires Psystar to destroy all of its equipment and material that it used in the circumvention of Apple technologies by December 31.

So if a court can shut Pystar down so broadly (notice the key part doesn't even mention Apple specifically, just 'a technological measure') then I don't see where it's such a stretch that if QUO made a real splash with this- which could only happen by pushing the OSX angle- there's nothing special about installing OSX or Linux- that they couldn't be similarly slapped down.

Kickstarer to me should be for people that have actual innovative projects and ideas of their own and need funding to get started, not for existing companies to raise money to buy the means of mass producing the fruits of someone else's efforts with an (at best) quasi-legal sales pitch. Kinda douchey.
 
It's not personal, just as I already said, I think it's kind of douche-baggish to attempt to commercialize the work of the OSx86 crowd. I said the same thing about Pystar, and it was pretty much easy to predict exactly what happened to them.

IE: in that case: On December 15, 2009, the judge in the California action issued a permanent injunction barring Psystar from manufacturing, distributing, or assisting anyone with any sort of device or technology "that is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure". The ruling applies to all current and future versions of Mac OS X and Judge Alsup made it clear that "Psystar will be selling Rebel EFI at its peril, and risks finding itself held in contempt if its new venture falls within the scope of the injunction."[29] The ruling also requires Psystar to destroy all of its equipment and material that it used in the circumvention of Apple technologies by December 31.

So if a court can shut Pystar down so broadly (notice the key part doesn't even mention Apple specifically, just 'a technological measure') then I don't see where it's such a stretch that if QUO made a real splash with this- which could only happen by pushing the OSX angle- there's nothing special about installing OSX or Linux- that they couldn't be similarly slapped down.

Kickstarer to me should be for people that have actual innovative projects and ideas of their own and need funding to get started, not for existing companies to raise money to buy the means of mass producing the fruits of someone else's efforts with an (at best) quasi-legal sales pitch. Kinda douchey.

Pretty hard to disagree with any of that IMO... ;)

Looks like doom and gloom for Q... :p Long live Amiga! :rolleyes:
 
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