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This pisses me off....
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I just don't see what more this person wants. We already have two federal holidays for the military Memorial Day and Veterans Day. On those days and leading up to them there are countless movies and documentaries based throughout the timeline of US Military history. The different History channels often have something on and Discovery even has the dedicated Military channel. Plus there seems to always be some movie playing about the military.
On the different news networks there are reports daily about the military and on local networks they often include in their report if a local member of the military died.
I would say that these people are a bit annoying due to their ignorance of how much gets dedicated already. Sure when a big figure that has had a big impact on the world dies it gets a lot of media coverage. However, that will only last a short period of time before fresh news takes over and the event will be largely forgotten.
On the different news networks there are reports daily about the military and on local networks they often include in their report if a local member of the military died.
I would say that these people are a bit annoying due to their ignorance of how much gets dedicated already. Sure when a big figure that has had a big impact on the world dies it gets a lot of media coverage. However, that will only last a short period of time before fresh news takes over and the event will be largely forgotten.
Are you out of your ****ing mind? The guy was recognizing people who died for his country; our country. Perhaps because he doesn't value Steve Jobs' death more shows he has compassion for the less known people who die in vain. You're pissed off about that? You've got balls to voice it publicly. I don't think he was saying you should mourn soldiers over or instead of SJ, just that the outcry for his death seems to strike more press than the men and women dying for a ******** war. You're one of the many who live free while others die. Be pissed all you want, I think it's absurd that you are. Stay classy.
Each to their own opinion, but it's getting quite common for people to play the "troops" card for their own ego. Maybe he really does care about the troops, maybe he even has a brother fighting there. And don't get me wrong, I'm not slating the troops at all, and truly have full respect for them.
But where do we draw the line? Do we really have to hear about troops every time a famous person dies?
Have to agree here.
Besides, the glorification of the military and those who serve in it has had some unhealthy effects on culture and society. It's time we begin questioning why you and I (for example) are required (in the case of the draft) or asked to fight.
The line between "defending kin and country" and state-sanctioned murder has become too fine for comfort. Some people have in the past spoken out against the notion that we blindly stand at post and kill women, children, and human beings at large half a world away, when the justification for doing so is so weak that it needs vociferous promotion; often on an international scale and often for the wrong reasons, phantom threats buttressed by lies. (Would non-renewable energy please stand up? You too, Mr. Cheney. And hold up your Halliburton Platinum membership card.)
It's a controversial position, no doubt. But we're living in different times, when we are more connected than ever to people across the globe.
No, we don't have to hear and discuss dying soldiers when a famous person dies. But to be pissed off about someone considering troops over a CEO of a company is absurd. Whether he was a visionary and a true inspiration or a crook and a douche, there is little to gain by being pissed off that someone cares more about another death than they do of Steve Jobs. I read somewhere that 103 other people died of pancreatic cancer the day Steve Jobs died. It's just something to consider in a world where many people are short sighted and greedy more often than not.
My point is not that his buddy cares about the troops and "we should too". It's that this OP is openly saying it pisses him off. Again, I did not read that his friend was saying to mourn one over the other, just know that in addition to SJ, others die daily. Not just random people but people fighting in a war that some people actually believe in.
Bull. You can support the troops and pay your respects to fallen soldiers even if you don't support the reason they've over there.
I don't support either of the wars our military is involved in and wish they would get the hell out, but I am not about to forget about the sacrifices thousands of troops have made.
It's not glorification of the military. It's called paying your respect to a person who voluntarily signed up for the military and gave their life so you wouldn't be drafted against your will, so you can sit at home in your parents' basement and trash Microsoft and Google all ****ing day on an internet message board. The reason why they were over there and why they died is irrelevant.
His friend is using Steve Jobs' death to glorify his ego that the troops should be remembered.
It isn't like his friend's Facebook status was, "RIP 'Troop Name' - Died 5th October". His friend specifically used Steve Jobs death to boost his ego and make himself look like a "true patriotic" American, purely because the rest of his friends on Facebook are probably posting "RIP Steve Jobs, you'll be missed" posts and he wanted to stand out and look the big man by playing the troops card.
I doubt his friend posts "RIP 'troop name'" every time one dies, so that alone makes him a hypocrite. He only posts respect to the troops who die on Facebook when someone famous dies.
Maybe his friend does have military contacts that he cares about or mourns, but from his Facebook post, it's quite clear he's just feeding his ego by going against the masses and reminding us all, "don't forget about the troops now...".
obviously, comparing an american (and technological) icon to individuals of war is a bit ridiculous. they vary so much that i don't think they merit contrasting them at all. and to be honest, that Facebook post did enrage me a little. i dislike the entire stereotypical American Patriot style look on things. we ALL know and can acknowledge the efforts that are put into times of war, to protect what we have (and take for granted).
what has to be considered, is that they are different ends of the spectrum. the war stuff protects what we have, and enables us to develop our technology further and further (whether is be "wasted" by consumerism, or utilised in a circular motion back into the wars). SJs did a LOT for the world, his intuition and long sighted attitude helped to path the way for technology, he gave it focus and the solid foundations to build upon. each iteration of software and hardware has been proof of that.
to me, they can't be compared. both should be remembered.
what has to be considered, is that they are different ends of the spectrum. the war stuff protects what we have, and enables us to develop our technology further and further (whether is be "wasted" by consumerism, or utilised in a circular motion back into the wars). SJs did a LOT for the world, his intuition and long sighted attitude helped to path the way for technology, he gave it focus and the solid foundations to build upon. each iteration of software and hardware has been proof of that.
to me, they can't be compared. both should be remembered.
What the hell is wrong with all of you people?
This is what should happen.
OP states "I miss Steve Jobs and it saddens me." his homeboy says "Well that's fine and all but I miss the troops who passed away today more." OP says, "Oh I can understand that. It's sad that anyone died. They all deserve respect and recognition". His friend, "Yes, let's show them all respect. Troops, celebrities, citizens, etc.."
Status update: To all those who lost someone today, I am truly sorry. Thank you troops for fighting for me to be free. Thank you Steve for your innovation and for being apart of my life in ways some may not understand." To anyone else who has passed away, someone here cares about you and thank you for being apart of their life.
But I digress. What I said above would only make sense. So let's all go back to arguing over who is more dead and who deserves to be recognized for such.
This is what should happen.
OP states "I miss Steve Jobs and it saddens me." his homeboy says "Well that's fine and all but I miss the troops who passed away today more." OP says, "Oh I can understand that. It's sad that anyone died. They all deserve respect and recognition". His friend, "Yes, let's show them all respect. Troops, celebrities, citizens, etc.."
Status update: To all those who lost someone today, I am truly sorry. Thank you troops for fighting for me to be free. Thank you Steve for your innovation and for being apart of my life in ways some may not understand." To anyone else who has passed away, someone here cares about you and thank you for being apart of their life.
But I digress. What I said above would only make sense. So let's all go back to arguing over who is more dead and who deserves to be recognized for such.
What the hell is wrong with all of you people?
This is what should happen.
OP states "I miss Steve Jobs and it saddens me." his homeboy says "Well that's fine and all but I miss the troops who passed away today more." OP says, "Oh I can understand that. It's sad that anyone died. They all deserve respect and recognition". His friend, "Yes, let's show them all respect. Troops, celebrities, citizens, etc.."
Status update: To all those who lost someone today, I am truly sorry. Thank you troops for fighting for me to be free. Thank you Steve for your innovation and for being apart of my life in ways some may not understand." To anyone else who has passed away, someone here cares about you and thank you for being apart of their life.
But I digress. What I said above would only make sense. So let's all go back to arguing over who is more dead and who deserves to be recognized for such.
Stop being so rational.
Not counting your personal insults - which are, like most, completely inaccurate - it is time to question the reasons we go to war and question our involvement in a military machine that has become the plaything of bureaucrats, business interests, and dictators clothed in the colours of the flag. "The Troops" have become their hired guns.
And please, don't assume everyone voluntarily signs on out of a sense of pride and purpose, so they can defend the rest of us. There's a dirty side to it that is often forgotten in all the nationalist chest-thumping.
It is clear from the location of military recruiting offices, as well as the proliferation of their promotional materials in these areas, that the military targets lower socioeconomic neighborhoods and schools for recruiting. Take a look at the location of military recruitment offices and it is easy to see that the military is targeting lower socioeconomic neighborhoods. Likewise, their frequent presence at schools in the same neighborhoods is clear proof that they are targeting lower-income kids for recruitment.
What does this mean? For many, the military is ticket to get of Dodge. A way out, rather than an opportunity for service and distinction. Bad grades, lack of motivation, etc. These too, are contributing factors to "volunteering."
At least it gets this segment of the population employed and (in some cases) out of trouble.
More to the point, I'd think twice about participating in a military machine that is run by individuals (or rather, a parent organization) with some of the most dubious morals and ethics on the planet. You're still an individual and you're still responsible for your own actions. Wearing a uniform and carrying a weapon doesn't excuse your actions or grant you special immunity. Though it might make it easier to justify yourself.
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You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Go back and reread the thread. I just don't think we should not care about Jobs death and all of his achievements because a soldier died fighting in a war. I was upset that he played off Jobs death and his accomplishments like it was no big deal.
You don't think he was saying we should mourn soldiers over or instead of SJ? Seriously? Did you read his status update in my original post?
People dying, just plain sucks. It really does. Theres nothing you can do about that. Why cant it be both it sucks that this Military personnel died and Steve Jobs died? Because it does suck.
I dont know if its an American thing or maybe its a human thing. But it seems we love competition in any form. Competition in:
My life is better than yours
My life is worse than yours
My friend died and he did so and so
Well my friend died and he did this and that so hes better
etc...
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I wonder if that's how Detectives deal with murders.
Detective: Ma'am we're sorry to inform you, your son has been shot in a drive by shooting
Mother: *collapses on floor sobbing*
Detective: Why are you crying?! A person you don't know died doing something more important.
I dont know if its an American thing or maybe its a human thing. But it seems we love competition in any form. Competition in:
My life is better than yours
My life is worse than yours
My friend died and he did so and so
Well my friend died and he did this and that so hes better
etc...
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I wonder if that's how Detectives deal with murders.
Detective: Ma'am we're sorry to inform you, your son has been shot in a drive by shooting
Mother: *collapses on floor sobbing*
Detective: Why are you crying?! A person you don't know died doing something more important.
The thing is, most people here were about as connected to Jobs as they were with the soldier. Barely any met him personally, they only knew him through the work he did. I'm not saying they can't mourn him, but many people seem to take it a little far.
Jobs' personality was in his products. He wanted things a certain way. And that certain way has shape how we use our devices.