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Zackmd1

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We have an incredibly small sample size of sets of twins with which this has been tested and at worst...the results are mixed. You act as if there has been conclusive proof. Not even remotely close.

Apple admitted that it would be an issue in there keynote. I would call that conclusive proof but please prove me wrong. And yes I admitted that it was a small percentage of the population that would be effected but again..... The point remains that this is an issue when it was not with TouchID.
 

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Zackmd1

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Are you just saying things for the sake of saying them?

1 out of 1,000,00 for Face ID security vs 1 out of 50,000 for Touch ID. I’ll take Face ID.

I can also attest to being able to unlock someone’s phone without them being aware (passed out), using their fingerprint. You can’t do that with Face ID.

Open their eyelids if they are passed out and you can achieve the same result with FaceID. Sure you might wake them up but you still gained access to their phone.

Come talk to me about those error rates when you are outside on a bright sunny day and natural IR is flooding the FaceID sensor.... The error rates provided by Apple will always make the newer tech look good.
 

Hoosier317

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Open their eyelids if they are passed out and you can achieve the same result with FaceID. Sure you might wake them up but you still gained access to their phone.

Come talk to me about those error rates when you are outside on a bright sunny day and natural IR is flooding the FaceID sensor.... The error rates provided by Apple will always make the newer tech look good.
...how exactly are you planning on opening someone’s eyelids without interfering with the Face ID scan?

Only one reviewer cited any issues at all with bright, direct sunlight. He later backtracked.
 

Steve686

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Please do. 3D print a scan of your face on a desktop 3D printer and then try and replicated a 3D fingerprint without a mold or imprint.

Again... Obviously this is an extreme case and I was making a point... TouchID was a more secure authentication method the FaceID plain and simple.... Was it a more convenient method? That is subjective.
Let’s put it this way.

The only other option between Face ID and Touch ID is a manual passcode.

Either way you cut it, Touch or Face ID is MUCH more secure as I don’t know too many people that use more than a 4 digit code to unlock their phones on a restart.
 

Steve686

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Open their eyelids if they are passed out and you can achieve the same result with FaceID. Sure you might wake them up but you still gained access to their phone.

Come talk to me about those error rates when you are outside on a bright sunny day and natural IR is flooding the FaceID sensor.... The error rates provided by Apple will always make the newer tech look good.
Open their eyelids with The Force, or with your hands on their face?

You pick.
 

Hoosier317

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Let’s put it this way.

The only other option between Face ID and Touch ID is a manual passcode.

Either way you cut it, Touch or Face ID is MUCH more secure as I don’t know too many people that use more than a 4 digit code to unlock their phones on a restart.
It’s a six digit code by default. You have some proof that most are manually toggling to a four digit passcode?
 

Zackmd1

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Let’s put it this way.

The only other option between Face ID and Touch ID is a manual passcode.

Either way you cut it, Touch or Face ID is MUCH more secure as I don’t know too many people that use more than a 4 digit code to unlock their phones on a restart.

Correct both methods are more secure then a passcode but to remove TouchID in favor of FaceID is not a step forwards IMO and it remains to be seen/ will be subjective if FaceID is more convenient then touchID.
 

Zackmd1

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Open their eyelids with The Force, or with your hands on their face?

You pick.

I would pick the force if that were possible..... I wish....

But how about this, your with your friends and one takes your X and points it at you quickly while you are looking at them. They have now unlocked your phone when they would not have been able to with TouchID. We can create scenarios all day about when each of these authentication systems will fail.
 
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Packers1958

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I don't know what's the issue. Even Apple says there is a 1 in 1 million chance of this occurring. There are 7.6 billion people in this world, so if there's a 1 in 1 million chance, we all have 7600 doppelgangers.
 

Steve686

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I would pick the force if that were possible..... I wish....

But how about this, your with your friends and one takes your X and points it at you quickly while you are looking at them. They have now unlocked your phone when they would not have been able to with TouchID. We can create scenarios all day about when each of these authentication systems will fail.
We could...like your friend know your passcode already and opened your phone without flashing it in your face. Lol.
 
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artfossil

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consider the fact that it is far easier to replicate someones face then it is to replicate their fingerprint and then you likely start to see the issue here...
I couldn’t read any further as I started having horrible Nicolas Cage flashbacks.
 

AbSoluTc

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I would pick the force if that were possible..... I wish....

But how about this, your with your friends and one takes your X and points it at you quickly while you are looking at them. They have now unlocked your phone when they would not have been able to with TouchID. We can create scenarios all day about when each of these authentication systems will fail.

Same friends can ask to borrow your phone or just grab it from you unlocked. Either way, there you go. If you can’t trust your friends, you need new ones.

There’s and answer to any question you may ask. Also keep in mind, the FBI was in a stink to make Apple build a back door because they couldn’t gain access. Should tell you something.
 

Hoosier317

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Only from what I see every day as proof.

That actually spiked my curiosity. I wanna start a poll to get an idea of just people here on the boards.

Umm...every day as proof? You see people both restarting their phones AND using a four digit passcode to unlock them...every. single. day? You need a new hobby.
 

flat five

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To throw Apple haters a bone, perhaps- it's been a rough stretch for them!
also.. just a tip..

don't go looking in youtube comments sections on Apple related videos unless you're feeling like arguing with people about Mac vs Windows or iPhone vs everybody.. etc

there are an unhealthy amount of android users watching/commenting on iPhone videos.

it's hard enough to have an Apple-centric conversation around here without someone coming in and telling how such-and-such is better.. even though it has nothing to do with the exchange that's trying to happen..

but on youtube? it's impossible.
 

Dammit Cubs

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Identical twins. meaning two people with identical faces.

FaceID - uses 3D mapping of a face to identify a person.

Both Twins can open the same phone....

What are you gonna tell me next? Consistency of Gravity on Earth?
 
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