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Its pathetic that today's generation is disappointed with a box that a computer comes in.




The reviews are in this morning, and just after watching a couple, I've found three disappointing aspects from the Mac Studio and Studio Display. They are very small things but disturb me quite a bit because Apple could do better.

The first is the packaging of Mac Studio. We initially saw it in this post: Lucky Customer Receives Mac Studio Days Ahead of Schedule, quite some people are questioning if this were indeed from Apple. Although I can understand why they did it, but usually Apple's packaging doesn't open from the side.
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You can also see a lot of uncovered sharp edges exposing the inside of the cardboard. They can potentially cut your fingers opening the packaging. One of the more dangerous places is the handle, it is surrounded by four sharp edges, and not to mention, the box is quite heavy. I would really hesitate to put my hand anywhere close to that handle.
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[Screenshot from iPhonedo's video]

The second is the power indicator on Mac Studio. Apple used to drill lots of tiny holes using laser directly on the aluminum and let the power indicator light shine through. You would not be seeing the power indicator when the machine is turned off. Mac Studio seems to have a plastic light exposed. This is such a small thing but was one of the finesse Apple products used to have.
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[Screenshot from Dave2D's video when Mac Studio was turned off]

The third is the undetachable power cable of the Studio Display. If apple wants this power cable to be undetachable, they should've come out with a much better design than the current black plastic on aluminum design. I recall going to the purchase page and finding it weird seeing it not come with a power cable in the box, now I know why.

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[From Apple.com]

With an integrated power cable, there are much better places to fit it and much better ways to integrate it with the aluminum body. The current design looking like a plug makes me wonder if this was originally a detachable cable and they decided to change it later in the design phase. The original HomePod came with a beautifully designed cable that looked integrated but is actually detachable, this black braided cable doesn't fit with the look of Studio Display.

Another nitpick with this power cable placement is that you will see the cut-out hole in the stand from the front of Studio Display. It was hidden from the user's view in the case of Pro Display XDR.
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[From Apple.com]
 

DennisdeWit

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I have setup the Mac Studio M1 Max today and it all was fine and very smoothly.

I did not buy the Studio Display, though. For some reasons: I have a 32 inch and don’t want to go back to 27 inch. The 32 inch also has 650 nits brightness. The bezels of my 32 inch are nearly non-existent. And something else I really dislike: the lack of HDR. I know, you can’t have everything. But every modern monitor in 2022 should have HDR. The fact that the Studio Display doesn’t, is too bad for me.

I know my ideal dream monitor would be the Pro Display XDR. I like shiny, high-tech stuff. My wallet doesn’t. Not pro enough for that.
 

ADGrant

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I have setup the Mac Studio M1 Max today and it all was fine and very smoothly.

I did not buy the Studio Display, though. For some reasons: I have a 32 inch and don’t want to go back to 27 inch. The 32 inch also has 650 nits brightness. The bezels of my 32 inch are nearly non-existent. And something else I really dislike: the lack of HDR. I know, you can’t have everything. But every modern monitor in 2022 should have HDR. The fact that the Studio Display doesn’t, is too bad for me.

I know my ideal dream monitor would be the Pro Display XDR. I like shiny, high-tech stuff. My wallet doesn’t. Not pro enough for that.
For me, not having 5k would be hard to accept. I would want a 32" to be 6k.

OTOH The confusion over the power cord is an concern. A non-detachable power cored is a deal breaker for me.
 

curtvaughan

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On the sixcolors.com live stream earlier they confirmed that the power cable is detachable. (@ 14:10 into the video)
Linus Sebastian lambasts Apple for the nondetachable power cord on the studio display, and also makes commentary on the Mac Studio box itself. Advance to around 12:15 for discussion of the display:

 
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curtvaughan

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Studio Mac not for the masses. Price will limit sales
That makes me one of the masses. I'm looking to replace my four year old 27" iMac this year, and was waiting around for Apple to release a new RISC based 27" iMac. How disappointing that no such iMac will be forthcoming - I'll be reverting to the 24" and save at least $1500 over the Studio, particularly after some of the issues with the display mentioned here. The Studio package appears to be aimed primarily at the iMac Pro / Mac Pro customer.
 
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4sallypat

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SMH. Griping about a non detachable cord from a monitor may be the ultimate first world problem.

^^^ Oh yeah!

Complaining about the box, power cord, white light are ALL first world problems and very shallow thinking.

I'd say: open your eyes & look around with our global issues and the pandemic.

For me, it's about an 11 year old technology from Apple I had been using faithfully: 27" Apple Thunderbolt display from 2011 I paid $1000.

Now that the Studio Display has taken its place, I feel sad about the perfectly working 11 year old technology left on the floor.

And my new Mac Studio replaces the M1 Mini which has been excellent and didn't need to be replaced but felt I needed more display options.

All first world problems!
 

curtvaughan

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^^^ Oh yeah!

Complaining about the box, power cord, white light are ALL first world problems and very shallow thinking.

I'd say: open your eyes & look around with our global issues and the pandemic.

For me, it's about an 11 year old technology from Apple I had been using faithfully: 27" Apple Thunderbolt display from 2011 I paid $1000.

Now that the Studio Display has taken its place, I feel sad about the perfectly working 11 year old technology left on the floor.

And my new Mac Studio replaces the M1 Mini which has been excellent and didn't need to be replaced but felt I needed more display options.

All first world problems!
So called "third worlders" would roll their eyes at spending $4000+ for a personal computer, assuming they even knew what a personal computer actually was. If you are an Apple customer, you most likely are willing to pay the "Apple tax" in order to acquire the highest quality technology - yes, including packaging - that Apple supposedly provides. A $1600 monitor should have a top notch camera, and yes, a removable power cord which could easily be replaced should it fray or become damaged. My "first world" problem: What reason would Apple have for _not_ providing a detachable power cable, or what product designer felt it was good to place a poor quality webcam on a high end monitor?

As to why a decision was made to ditch the 27" iMac, it was most likely a marketing decision. Former 27" iMac customers either need to spend considerably more money on the Studio products, or purchase the 24" iMac. I've only heard one possible technical justification: perhaps the 27" iMac form factor, with relatively less cooling capacity then the Mac Studio unit, would suffer throttling issues due to overheating. But yeah, those are "first world" issues. In third world land, I'd be worried more about food and shelter.
 

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So called "third worlders" would roll their eyes at spending $4000+ for a personal computer, assuming they even knew what a personal computer actually was. If you are an Apple customer, you most likely are willing to pay the "Apple tax" in order to acquire the highest quality technology - yes, including packaging - that Apple supposedly provides. A $1600 monitor should have a top notch camera, and yes, a removable power cord which could easily be replaced should it fray or become damaged. My "first world" problem: What reason would Apple have for _not_ providing a detachable power cable, or what product designer felt it was good to place a poor quality webcam on a high end monitor?

As to why a decision was made to ditch the 27" iMac, it was most likely a marketing decision. Former 27" iMac customers either need to spend considerably more money on the Studio products, or purchase the 24" iMac. I've only heard one possible technical justification: perhaps the 27" iMac form factor, with relatively less cooling capacity then the Mac Studio unit, would suffer throttling issues due to overheating. But yeah, those are "first world" issues. In third world land, I'd be worried more about food and shelter.
To be fair to Apple, the web cam issue is almost certainly a software issue. The web cam hardware should be better than the webcam on any MacBook or iMac.

A non-detachable power cord is in-excusable if it is true (there seems to be some doubt).
 

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A $1600 monitor should have a top notch camera, and yes, a removable power cord which could easily be replaced should it fray or become damaged. My "first world" problem: What reason would Apple have for _not_ providing a detachable power cable, or what product designer felt it was good to place a poor quality webcam on a high end monitor?
So if I use your logic, I should be upset at Meile vacuum, which is within $200 of what the Studio monitor cost, for not providing a detachable power cable? I am sure that cord will be subject to WAY more stress than what folks will be placing on the cable on the monitor.

1st world problem still.
 

curtvaughan

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So if I use your logic, I should be upset at Meile vacuum, which is within $200 of what the Studio monitor cost, for not providing a detachable power cable? I am sure that cord will be subject to WAY more stress than what folks will be placing on the cable on the monitor.

1st world problem still.
Comparing a motor driven power appliance, like a vacuum cleaner, to a computer display with no motor or moving parts, is a bit of a stretch. I would speculate that a considerably more robust and thicker power cable supplies an 1100 or 1200 watt motor than that supplying a computer display. Additional strain relief has to be provided since the vacuum typically moves around on wheels. As you brought it up, I looked up an article showing details of how to replace a typical vacuum cleaner cable, in the rare event it needs to be done:


Though it should be simpler to replace the cable on the Studio Display than the above, it would still likely require specialized tools, etc., to open up the display housing and replace the old cable. Why not just put a detachable power cord into the design? Replacement would be tidy and simple. Apple being the Apple it has become in the post-Jobs era, they would likely advise you to bring the whole display to an Apple authorized repair service should the power cable become frayed or damaged, and charge a pretty penny for the task. Thankfully, iMacs and Apple laptops still retain detachable power cords, and Apple even had the sense to bring back Magsafe for some of their newest devices.
 
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hxlover904

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You can also see a lot of uncovered sharp edges exposing the inside of the cardboard. They can potentially cut your fingers opening the packaging. One of the more dangerous places is the handle, it is surrounded by four sharp edges, and not to mention, the box is quite heavy. I would really hesitate to put my hand anywhere close to that handle.

I'm guessing you've given up ordering from Amazon? Their boxes are chock full of sharp edges when they are opened. A veritable death trap!
 
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iStorm

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So if I use your logic, I should be upset at Meile vacuum, which is within $200 of what the Studio monitor cost, for not providing a detachable power cable? I am sure that cord will be subject to WAY more stress than what folks will be placing on the cable on the monitor.

1st world problem still.
Not even comparable. A lot of things have attached cords and we couldn't care less about them. A monitor, like most electronics, typically has a power cord that is removable/interchangeable. Maybe it doesn't affect you, but it could affect others. There are plenty of other reasons than just "what if the cord breaks".
  • Maybe they need a slightly longer cord for their setup. Previously, they could get a longer cord rather than resorting to janky extension cords or power strips. (Have you seen the large blocky plugs on cords in the UK or in other countries? Now they've got a big block twice the size in the middle of their power cord.)
  • Speaking of some countries having larger plugs, perhaps the plug is too big to fit through the hole on their desk, but the other end would fit. Don't tell me you haven't fished a cable through something using the other end before.
  • If they move to another area that uses different plugs, they could swap the cord instead of using adapters.
  • If they do cable management or mount the monitors on arms, and later need to move it for whatever reason...they need to undo all that, rather than just leaving the cords alone and reconnecting them later like we can do with most other electronics.
Sure, these still may be small problems, but it removes the convenience they've had before. It's a step backwards.
 
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CrysisDeu

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I'm guessing you've given up ordering from Amazon? Their boxes are chock full of sharp edges when they are opened. A veritable death trap!
Funny enough, Amazon’s packaging is quite good. The box is not as hard and the edge is not as sharp as a lot of card boxes.

But again, I don’t see it being laughable to want better packaging that would prevent paper cuts. I appreciate good packaging and there’s nothing wrong about it.
 

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To be fair to Apple, the web cam issue is almost certainly a software issue. The web cam hardware should be better than the webcam on any MacBook or iMac.

A non-detachable power cord is in-excusable if it is true (there seems to be some doubt).
I think it might be hardware issue. A small 1080 p ultra wide angle wouldn’t play nicely in an indoor set up. Also the displays running A13 chip and ios, has no reason to have a bug on a 1080 p camera.

At the same time, with the thickness of the display, the price, having an A series chip, running iOS and the fact that people use webcam a lot these days. Apple could’ve put a sensor from iPhone. How nice would that be.
 

CrysisDeu

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So called "third worlders" would roll their eyes at spending $4000+ for a personal computer, assuming they even knew what a personal computer actually was. If you are an Apple customer, you most likely are willing to pay the "Apple tax" in order to acquire the highest quality technology - yes, including packaging - that Apple supposedly provides. A $1600 monitor should have a top notch camera, and yes, a removable power cord which could easily be replaced should it fray or become damaged. My "first world" problem: What reason would Apple have for _not_ providing a detachable power cable, or what product designer felt it was good to place a poor quality webcam on a high end monitor?

As to why a decision was made to ditch the 27" iMac, it was most likely a marketing decision. Former 27" iMac customers either need to spend considerably more money on the Studio products, or purchase the 24" iMac. I've only heard one possible technical justification: perhaps the 27" iMac form factor, with relatively less cooling capacity then the Mac Studio unit, would suffer throttling issues due to overheating. But yeah, those are "first world" issues. In third world land, I'd be worried more about food and shelter.
Thank you. And exactly, I loved Apple for the perfect details, their philosophy, and thus paying a premium.
 

CrysisDeu

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If a handle on a cardboard box causes hesitation out of safety concerns, please do not even look at power tools.
There are power tools designed with safety features, is there anything wrong looking for better solutions?
 

CrysisDeu

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Its pathetic that today's generation is disappointed with a box that a computer comes in.
The same thing could be said another way.
Its pathetic that today’s generation doesn’t care about good design, especially designed to avoid injuries.

If you want to discuss the topic, give out your reasoning and we can have a discussion. Meanwhile what you are saying really don’t add value.

This will be the end of my reply to you.
 

CrysisDeu

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Complaints about a box that you touch once to take something out of.

Really?

Someone's bored today.
I keep my boxes for years. Something you don’t do or care doesn’t justify calling me bored. Because I care
 
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