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As someone who manages hundreds of Macs and does MA and TM on a daily basis I am not sure why people are over complicating things with 3rd party software. If you have an up to date TM backup from the old laptop you're golden. Now connect a thunderbolt cable from old one to new one might need adapter depending on age of computers and then run MA it doesn't delete anything from the old laptop. Done
Thanks for your TM vote of confidence. I am being cautious because the HDD to which I'd been doing my daily TM backups for years, 2 weeks ago started giving me a daily message I've never seen before: "TM completed a verification of your backsups on "XX". To improve reliability TM must create a new backup for you. Click Start New Backup to create a new backup. This will remove your existing backup history. This could take several hours".

From what I found online, I understand that this might mean that there is a potential corruption issue. I didn't want to wipe out that disk and destroy all prior TM backups. So I started using a macOS Extended WD HDD to do secondary TM backups. In an abudance of caution, since I know that external HDDs can fail, the CCC was going to be my 3rd line of defense.
 
As someone who manages hundreds of Macs and does MA and TM on a daily basis I am not sure why people are over complicating things with 3rd party software. If you have an up to date TM backup from the old laptop you're golden. Now connect a thunderbolt cable from old one to new one might need adapter depending on age of computers and then run MA it doesn't delete anything from the old laptop. Done
Whoops forgot to add that I have a 3rd party Thunderbolt to Thunderbolt cable that I found in our stash and plan to use (rather than buy the Apple $129 cable). Don't know the transfer speed but hopefully there isn't a big difference with the Apple cable. If it's glacial is there a way of stopping MA, unplugging and picking back up w/the Apple cable? From what I understand from the non-tech guy at the Apple store, I'd have to start MA all over again and this won't cause any issues. Do you agree? Thanks much.
 
I did this literately 12 days ago. MBA M4 to MBA M5, both 16/512. Used MA. And yes, it was kinda slow (about 225 Gb; 49 min). Yes, it copied EVERYthing. (Passwords, keys, addy books and archived mail etc.) No wires, no SSDs, no third party stuff. I then compared the content totals and was off by about 1 Gb. DARN! (not really what I said...) After 90 min of searching I found there were NEW emails, some containing files, that appeared DURING the transfer that didn't show up on the new MBA. Other than that small thing, clean and clear. Still using both for about another week. Then trimming down the MAC stable. YMMV
Thanks for sharing your recent experience. Delighted that it went well for you. How much data did you transfer and did you use the Apple cable or 3rd-party? Thanks.
 
Passwords: Your machine has something called a Keychain which stores all your password etc. Make sure that Keychain is synced to iCloud (you will need to go into the iCloud options on your old machine). iCloud will sync paswords via the Keychain. Keychain management is now managed through an Apple app called Passwords, so you can simply ensure that you go to the iCloud options in Settings and ensure that Keychain is checked to be stored in the cloud, so that when you bring up the new machine, the keychain will be copied to the new machine and can then managed through Apples separate keychain manager, Passwords. You will not need 1 Password unless you have other non Apple machines across you wish to sync password.

Firefox has the ability to sync bookmarks and password across all instances of Firefox. Make sure you have an account with Firefox and then sync the current instance of Firefox. Then when you install a new instance on your new machine, Firefox will sync up bookmarks and passwords,

If you to want to copy over the applications you will have to use Migration Assistant, but be aware that often the new copy will need your account info for those apps that were purchased and have keys. MA will not necessarily copy all the information for apps that have a sign in credential requirement. You are much better off reinstalling and signing in again e.g. for MS 365.

For your photos, what application do you use to manage them? If it is Photos then they are stored in a proprietary database format (Photo Library) which will need to be copied over complete. When you start Photos, hold down the option key and point it to the location for the library, If they are not managed by an application, then you can copy them over and point the app to them, but Lightroom for example has a catalog that knows where the photos are and you will loose all the information related to editing. You will need to look up how to migrate a Lightroom library. It is not easy.

As far as I know, Apple Mail requires that all mail be stored in the cloud, so if you have Apple Mail managing emails from your own self hosted options, you will probably find it has moved all of them to the cloud, but that would take up space and I am not sure I understand whether you have paid to get more iCloud storage or not. I would need more info to help how this might work on your new machine. The mail client dictates the requirements, and few if any these days work with mails stored locally only (they may have the ability to store a copy locally, but always work on the cloud stored emails.


Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC) and Migrations Assistant (MA) are rather different in what they do and the facilities you are provided. CCC will clone a disk at a very low level so it can be copied to a new disk but I do not think that it is appropriate. However it will also copy specific files and folders to a new location either as a backup or straight copy. From what you have said CCC may not be appropriate here unless you have identifiable folders on your old machine which you want copying to your new machine. MA will clone the system from your old machine to your new machine, but it knows what needs to be copied and what does not, so it will only copy the system files it needs and settings along with user data. It is the safest option unless you want to customize what data you want copied or want it placed in different place on the new machine. Note that if you are using Photos, the library will be copied. If you are simply storing the photos as date, it will copy the photos as user data. Note my comments about Photo managers like Lightroom since the have a relationship between the location of the photos and the information regarding any changes you have made (assuming the editor in the photo manager does none destructive editing: they keep a copy of the original and then have a list of the changes you made which is applied when you open the photo.).

If you use MA, the new machine will have the same name as the old machine. You can change the name of either machine. If you want to keep the old machine intact, then simply change the name of the new machine in the Settings> General>About option.

I think you are best using MA based on your requirements and concerns and then sort out passwords and app credentials after everything has been migratated. However it will bring everything over that it can, although your old machine has a much older OS and so may have some things it cannot copy. Once the migration is done, you can an app called Clean My Mac (available on the App Store) to remove any orphaned install components or config files and remnants that are not required.

I hope this makes sense and feel free to ask more questions.
Sorry don't yet know how to distinctly cut different quotes into one message. So the quoted is a hodge podge of what I'm responding to from your post:

Passwords: Very little in key chain as started using a 3rd-party program years ago. My plan is to move from that program to Apple Password, given that it's free. Unfortunately for lots of reasons, it will be a manual process but once I've transferred the data it will be done.

Firefox: I do not have a Firefox account. Do you know if it will migrate all of my bookmarks w/o it or must I have an account for that to happen?

Migrating Apps: I have looked for MS Word/Office keys and haven't been able to find them. Purhcased way back in the early 2000s and upgraded in 2019. So that will be interesting. I think all other software I use was free. If I have issues with MS working, do you know if I can delete the apps and then just drag it from the Applications folder on the old laptop to the new? Thinking not, but figured I'd ask.

CCC/Photos: See my recent post after making a CCC backup. Photos are both in Photos library as well as just stored in Documents folder. I'm not a great fan of Apple's photo app...In either case, I assume that they will all copy over.

Mail: With self-hosting, mail is stored on your mail server not in iCloud. So covered there.

MA: I will be using MA to transfer all data. Just too much to do manually. So will just have to do the maintenance and clean up that I didn't do on the old laptop on the new one.

Thanks for all of your help.
 
Sorry don't yet know how to distinctly cut different quotes into one message. So the quoted is a hodge podge of what I'm responding to from your post:

Passwords: Very little in key chain as started using a 3rd-party program years ago. My plan is to move from that program to Apple Password, given that it's free. Unfortunately for lots of reasons, it will be a manual process but once I've transferred the data it will be done.

Fair enough. Is the 3rd party program still available and will it work on Tahoe. If so it might be more painless than you think.

Firefox: I do not have a Firefox account. Do you know if it will migrate all of my bookmarks w/o it or must I have an account for that to happen?

Create an account in Firefox and then ask it to sync everything. That pick up your bookmarks and password. I used Firfefox for many years and still have it for use with my Windows machines and Mac machines, although it is not my primary browser.
Migrating Apps: I have looked for MS Word/Office keys and haven't been able to find them. Purhcased way back in the early 2000s and upgraded in 2019. So that will be interesting. I think all other software I use was free. If I have issues with MS working, do you know if I can delete the apps and then just drag it from the Applications folder on the old laptop to the new? Thinking not, but figured I'd ask.

Do you have a Microsoft ID? If you do you might be lucky and the keys may exist in your account. That way you just sign in and it will activate. If not you may be faced with buying it or opening a subscription from scratch (I have a Windows app that finds keys but that is of little use in a Mac environment.
CCC/Photos: See my recent post after making a CCC backup. Photos are both in Photos library as well as just stored in Documents folder. I'm not a great fan of Apple's photo app...In either case, I assume that they will all copy over.

Photos in documents will just copy over with the MA. The Photos library may do so as well. Sometimes it just copies the details and expects you to download from the cloud. But if you do not allow it to store them in the cloud it may just copy the whole thing across. I can't remember what it does to be honest. I store all my photos both on my machines and in the cloud.

Mail: With self-hosting, mail is stored on your mail server not in iCloud. So covered there.

OK. I thought you had a mix. As you say with a self hosted server you should be OK. What mail client do you use?

MA: I will be using MA to transfer all data. Just too much to do manually. So will just have to do the maintenance and clean up that I didn't do on the old laptop on the new one.

I think that this is the correct decision and is much easier than trying to do everything manually. It will take a while, but it will pull everything. As I said it will clone your old machine on your new machine as much as it can. Contrary to some comments, not all passwords and credentials are copied since the apps notice the new environment and need re-activation. But most will be OK. Just be prepared for the odd one when you try to use it.

Thanks for all of your help.

If I can provide further help, please let me know and will be happy to assist. I have done dozens of these migrations and I know that they can be a pain.
 
Thanks for sharing your recent experience. Delighted that it went well for you. How much data did you transfer and did you use the Apple cable or 3rd-party? Thanks.
About 225 Gb of Storage; files, photos ,music, recipes, medical history. No cable. I believe it's wi-fi. I started with the M5 and then was sent a code (six digits?) that I had to enter into the M4, and it just started. I know it sounds trite, but really: It just worked. I'm sure the similarity of the two units helped, but it was effortless on my part. I did it loading the M4 from an M1 MBP 16" base model; same thing. Apple has made it simple for rookies like me to update our stuff. It works for iPads too somehow. My fiancee (of 34 years...) just got the M5 13" iPad Pro w/512 storage and we did the transfer from her older iPad Pro (by at least five years) during lunch. I don't have the transfer size, but it took about 35 Min. We backed up her crucial files (archived taxes etc) but never needed to. There may be some folks that need more privacy or control over certain stuff, but we both did fine with MA. Best of luck. unkl bob Again, YMMV
 
Yes. To both.
Thanks for the reassurance. I may just bite the bullet tomorrow, wipe the new CCC backup and reformat with Extended Journal. (Any thoughts about why during the CCC process and the WD connection failure, CCC ended up copying some of the data to 1 volume and then finished on a 2nd volume without me creating any volumes when I formatted the HDD?)

I also just went out and bought a USB-C to Micro B cable to see if that makes any difference in the drive staying mounted in the event that the problem was the WD cable with adaptor that came with the drive.

Also, just stumbled on this article about macOS 28 and beyond no longer reading HFS+ (https://eclecticlight.co/2026/06/17/what-to-do-with-your-encrypted-hfs-disks/). So I'll be looking to keep my old laptop alive and kicking in the corner in case I need it for any reason... Thank again.
 
I'd use Time Machine if you haven't done so before - it will validate/verify that you are backing up everything you need.

If not, fall back to migration assistant. and then fix your Time Machine backups 😀
 
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