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To Those Microsoft Fans Who Bashed Apple's iPhone App Ecosystem
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Oh yeah, don't post the rest of the article or anything 
MS learned from Apples completely stupid and idiotic mistakes with the App store. Here's the rest for people that hate clicking on links:
Oh and don't forget about this!
Comprehensive guidelines? Comprehensive policies? What part of THAT is a ripoff of Apple's kafkaesque app approval nightmare, again?
MS learned from Apples completely stupid and idiotic mistakes with the App store. Here's the rest for people that hate clicking on links:
Oh and don't forget about this!
Comprehensive guidelines? Comprehensive policies? What part of THAT is a ripoff of Apple's kafkaesque app approval nightmare, again?
That's why I linked. There is no point in making the first post really long. Sorry that a link was too much work for you.Oh yeah, don't post the rest of the article or anything
Yeah, pretty idiotic considering the insanely popular mobile applications system that Apple has created.
Has Apple goofed and been inconsistent with policies? Sure. You see though, that is expected when a company pioneers anything. I'm sure Apple even surprised themselves with the success of the App Store. Microsoft learned from Apple's mistakes because they are content to copy Apple. They should get more things right after having 2 years to see how something successful operates.
Oh, and the quote you show says "plans to avoid." Let's see how that pans out.
Apple started off with good intentions also. It's not easy being a gate keeper. Microsoft, provided they're anywhere near as successful as Apple, will run into the same problems Apple did.
How sexy is too sexy? Do we want our corporate brand to be associated with this app? Does this app duplicate functionality of our core apps? What market will be offended by this app? Why types of political apps do we allow?
It'll be interesting to see how they respond. They do have the benefit of watching Apple's mistakes.
How sexy is too sexy? Do we want our corporate brand to be associated with this app? Does this app duplicate functionality of our core apps? What market will be offended by this app? Why types of political apps do we allow?
It'll be interesting to see how they respond. They do have the benefit of watching Apple's mistakes.
Its never happened before.. very strange indeed, especially seeing as MS hates apple it would seem
PTP
Also, although not entirely related, the android way of doing things isn't apparently all that popular at the mo
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010...m_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wired/index+
I did have a better link, that epitomised many of the problems within the android marketplace..
Yeah, pretty idiotic considering the insanely popular mobile applications system that Apple has created.
Windows is more popular than OS X, and has more apps. Therefore it is better!
Right?
Windows is more popular than OS X, and has more apps. Therefore it is better!
Right?
Of course not. You seemed to completely dismiss the App Store. I was trying to point out how successful it has become in 2 years, to the point that companies everywhere are trying to copy the iPhone/App Store success.
I did acknowledge that they have made mistakes. In fact, I think there have been some pretty stupid ones at that. As it has been pointed out above, when you pioneer something, acting as the gatekeeper, there will always be problems that are never even considered beforehand.
The main point is that there were tons of MS fans who blasted Apple for their distribution system, even MS themselves. Now, here we are 2 years later and MS is, for all intents and purposes, copying Apple. I imagine some MS fans will take the route of "we will do it better". However, the comments I did read seem to indicate they were being consistent and were unhappy with MS's decision.
Will this enhance Android's appeal?
P.S. I do like the app trials idea.
Microsoft App store
Norton Antivirus - $29.99 a year subscription. Protects your mobile device from malware and viruses.
Avast anti virus- $39.99 a year subscription. Updates daily for your mobile device for protection against viruses!
etc.
Apparently, not everybody shares your optimism about the Mac's resistance to viruses. Even Apple Stores stock these:
Attachments
Windows is more popular than OS X, and has more apps. Therefore it is better!
Right?
The difference is IBM basically gave Microsoft the PC monopoly. It was not won in the free market.
Apple earned its market share in the music industry and mobile phone industry.
Interesting to couple the Microsoft announcement with Tim Bray's comments about the App store today. Bray is the co-developer of XML and announced he has joined Google today.
<quote>
"The iPhone vision of the mobile Internets future omits controversy, sex, and freedom, but includes strict limits on who can know what and who can say what. Its a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded by sharp-toothed lawyers. The people who create the apps serve at the landlords pleasure and fear his anger.
I hate it.
I hate it even though the iPhone hardware and software are great, because freedoms not just another word for anything, nor is it an optional ingredient.
The big thing about the Web isnt the technology, its that its the first-ever platform without a vendor (credit for first pointing this out goes to Dave Winer). From that follows almost everything that matters, and it matters a lot now, to a huge number of people. Its the only kind of platform I want to help build.
Apple apparently thinks you can have the benefits of the Internet while at the same time controlling what programs can be run and what parts of the stack can be accessed and what developers can say to each other.
I think theyre wrong and see this job as a chance to help prove it.
The tragedy is that Apple builds some great open platforms; Ive been a happy buyer of their computing systems for some years now and, despite my current irritation, will probably go on using them."
</quote>
His full comments are here: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/03/15/Joining-Google
<quote>
"The iPhone vision of the mobile Internets future omits controversy, sex, and freedom, but includes strict limits on who can know what and who can say what. Its a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded by sharp-toothed lawyers. The people who create the apps serve at the landlords pleasure and fear his anger.
I hate it.
I hate it even though the iPhone hardware and software are great, because freedoms not just another word for anything, nor is it an optional ingredient.
The big thing about the Web isnt the technology, its that its the first-ever platform without a vendor (credit for first pointing this out goes to Dave Winer). From that follows almost everything that matters, and it matters a lot now, to a huge number of people. Its the only kind of platform I want to help build.
Apple apparently thinks you can have the benefits of the Internet while at the same time controlling what programs can be run and what parts of the stack can be accessed and what developers can say to each other.
I think theyre wrong and see this job as a chance to help prove it.
The tragedy is that Apple builds some great open platforms; Ive been a happy buyer of their computing systems for some years now and, despite my current irritation, will probably go on using them."
</quote>
His full comments are here: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/03/15/Joining-Google
Well, we won't really know until these so-called "comprehensive" guidelines and policies are published, now will we?
It was a mere crack at their app store ecosystem rather than their vulnerability to viruses.
Yep, it sure sounds like a copy... except for a better notification bar on the phone.
Getting rare to find anything truly new in computing: Apple copied push notification registration from Java mobile's push registry, and spliced in the idea of a central push server from Blackberry BES.
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I'm going to crack up laughing if Apple starts allowing background tasks, and MS starts backpedaling to do the same.
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As for MS keeping control over WP7 Metro phones, well... at least independent and enterprise developers can continue using the WP Classic phones that run WM6.x.
I betcha someone will "jailbreak" WP7, though
Heard the new joke about a certain OS, that's not going to have cut & paste?
At this rate, Microsoft won't include video recording and MMS either
At this rate, Microsoft won't include video recording and MMS either
Yep, it sure sounds like a copy... except for a better notification bar on the phone.
Getting rare to find anything truly new in computing: Apple copied push notification registration from Java mobile's push registry, and spliced in the idea of a central push server from Blackberry BES.
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I'm going to crack up laughing if Apple starts allowing background tasks, and MS starts backpedaling to do the same.
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As for MS keeping control over WP7 Metro phones, well... at least independent and enterprise developers can continue using the WP Classic phones that run WM6.x.
I betcha someone will "jailbreak" WP7, though
I really hope Apple at least allows "certified apps" to run in the background if they don't implement complete multitasking. For example, Pandora will be able to run in the background in Windows Phone 7, but not all apps can do that.
I can forsee some kind of task manager implementation, but not a draconian one, where the user can stop whatever app running that they want.
I guess the four default, stock apps(Phone, Email, Safari & iPod) won't be allowed to be stopped, only the third party, sandboxed ones, which would make sense.
On the other end, I can't see Apple allowing an unlimited number of third-party apps to run simultaneously either - maybe only 4 or 5 maximum, to go with the stock, default four(who seriously needs more than that?).
I guess the four default, stock apps(Phone, Email, Safari & iPod) won't be allowed to be stopped, only the third party, sandboxed ones, which would make sense.
On the other end, I can't see Apple allowing an unlimited number of third-party apps to run simultaneously either - maybe only 4 or 5 maximum, to go with the stock, default four(who seriously needs more than that?).
I believe the whole thread is misleading. There are no quotes of Microsoft bashing the app store, just WM fans bashing it. Who said they're going to follow WM into the 7 territory? They might switch to Android, Palm, or even RIM that allows freedom on the phone that you paid $200+ for instead of the training wheels and parental figures telling me what's good for me in the App store offered by Apple.
The whole iTunes app store censorship could be fixed instantly if Apple just allowed people to install applications outside of iTunes without jailbreaking your phone. Freedom. Because Microsoft is going with a closed system I will not be trying anything on their new platform, not that I was considering it in the first place.
I'll hand it to Microsoft though, Windows 7 is awesome. On my Macbook I now only use Win7 in bootcamp, I haven't booted OSX on that machine in two months.
The whole iTunes app store censorship could be fixed instantly if Apple just allowed people to install applications outside of iTunes without jailbreaking your phone. Freedom. Because Microsoft is going with a closed system I will not be trying anything on their new platform, not that I was considering it in the first place.
I'll hand it to Microsoft though, Windows 7 is awesome. On my Macbook I now only use Win7 in bootcamp, I haven't booted OSX on that machine in two months.