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Are you still waiting for this one benchmark 
Can't believe nobody has run it yet lol. Are you waiting for the result before making a purchasing decision?
It is a free benchmark isn't it?
Can't believe nobody has run it yet lol. Are you waiting for the result before making a purchasing decision?
It is a free benchmark isn't it?
For non commercial use it's free.
Well I just placed my order a week ago (est arrival on February, and yes I was hoping to get some result before purchasing but looks like it's not going to happen ) but mine is a base model, would be nice to get those with other specs to post it up as well. Since there's some discussion within the 3D CAD community on how much do the number of cores or GPUs affects the software performance.
Well I just placed my order a week ago (est arrival on February
, and yes I was hoping to get some result before purchasing but looks like it's not going to happen ) but mine is a base model, would be nice to get those with other specs to post it up as well. Since there's some discussion within the 3D CAD community on how much do the number of cores or GPUs affects the software performance.
For non commercial use it's free.
Well I just placed my order a week ago (est arrival on February
I ordered 8 hours after launch and got the feb delivery date too. It's agonising. I guess we are all in the second batch or something.
You still have time to change your order if somebody puts up the results for you.
Wow, 8 hours after lunch and feb? Yikes! I thought only after 24 hours it became February. I hope mine arrives in Feb and not March!
Yup I still have time, though hearing that someone ran SolidWorks and Realview is activated by default is reassuring, and the fact that the Heaven OpenGL benchmark test places the D500 in between workstation GPUs probably leaves some hint as well
Wow, 8 hours after lunch and feb? Yikes! I thought only after 24 hours it became February. I hope mine arrives in Feb and not March!
Configuration and location play a role in estimated time. It isn't really an issue of "batches" and more so a controlled roll out to different distribution channels. The demand is higher than the supply so they are not trying to fill every channel all at once.
Unless there is a major supplier or weather hiccup doubtful the dates they are giving will slide. The fact estimated dates on store are not still moving backward is indicative that they are slowly catching up with demand.
It is just going to take 6 weeks or so. Out of a year of weeks ( 52) that isn't really a long time.
Seems too good to be true?
I bought Windows 8 Pro System Builder to Bootcamp Windows on my oMP 4,1, because the typical Windows DVD is only an Upgrade disc. I thought the System Builder disc is tied to, one and only, computer/logic board which meant that I would have to buy another System Builder disc for nMP, BUT searching around http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/answers?tId=23cfae6b-d992-470c-a5cb-d725013ddfc6 says I can use again the System Builder disc! See the question below:
Asked by Gamer6789
Wednesday, January 02, 2013
Question
I intend to build a desktop computer for gaming; I will buy and install Windows 8 System Builder.
Cost is an issue, so some of my components (video card, hard drive) will be mediocre (possibly used) at first, as I intend to replace them with much better versions of themselves when I have more money.
I know that if I replace my motherboard, I lose my license for System Builder Windows 8. Thus, I am starting out with a high-end motherboard and CPU. But, after that, I won't have a whole lot of money left over for a similarly-powerful video card and SSD.
I am wondering, what components, apart from the motherboard, am I NOT allowed to replace and still keep my Windows 8 System Builder license?
Thanks!
Answered by Andre Da Costa
MVP
Wednesday, January 02, 2013
Answer
You can replace anything you want, the hardware restrictions on Windows 7 OEM System Builder license, does not apply to Windows 8 OEM System Builder license.
http://personaluselicense.windows.com/en-US/default.aspx,
"Can I transfer the software to another computer or user?
You may transfer the software to another computer that belongs to you. You may also transfer the software (together with the license) to a computer owned by someone else if a) you are the first licensed user of the software and b) the new user agrees to the terms of this agreement. To make that transfer, you must transfer the original media, the certificate of authenticity, the product key and the proof of purchase directly to that other person, without retaining any copies of the software. You may use the backup copy we allow you to make or the media that the software came on to transfer the software. Anytime you transfer the software to a new computer, you must remove the software from the prior computer. You may not transfer the software to share licenses between computers. You may transfer Get Genuine Windows software, Pro Pack or Media Center Pack software only together with the licensed computer."
I bought Windows 8 Pro System Builder to Bootcamp Windows on my oMP 4,1, because the typical Windows DVD is only an Upgrade disc. I thought the System Builder disc is tied to, one and only, computer/logic board which meant that I would have to buy another System Builder disc for nMP, BUT searching around http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/answers?tId=23cfae6b-d992-470c-a5cb-d725013ddfc6 says I can use again the System Builder disc! See the question below:
Asked by Gamer6789
Wednesday, January 02, 2013
Question
I intend to build a desktop computer for gaming; I will buy and install Windows 8 System Builder.
Cost is an issue, so some of my components (video card, hard drive) will be mediocre (possibly used) at first, as I intend to replace them with much better versions of themselves when I have more money.
I know that if I replace my motherboard, I lose my license for System Builder Windows 8. Thus, I am starting out with a high-end motherboard and CPU. But, after that, I won't have a whole lot of money left over for a similarly-powerful video card and SSD.
I am wondering, what components, apart from the motherboard, am I NOT allowed to replace and still keep my Windows 8 System Builder license?
Thanks!
Answered by Andre Da Costa
MVP
Wednesday, January 02, 2013
Answer
You can replace anything you want, the hardware restrictions on Windows 7 OEM System Builder license, does not apply to Windows 8 OEM System Builder license.
http://personaluselicense.windows.com/en-US/default.aspx,
"Can I transfer the software to another computer or user?
You may transfer the software to another computer that belongs to you. You may also transfer the software (together with the license) to a computer owned by someone else if a) you are the first licensed user of the software and b) the new user agrees to the terms of this agreement. To make that transfer, you must transfer the original media, the certificate of authenticity, the product key and the proof of purchase directly to that other person, without retaining any copies of the software. You may use the backup copy we allow you to make or the media that the software came on to transfer the software. Anytime you transfer the software to a new computer, you must remove the software from the prior computer. You may not transfer the software to share licenses between computers. You may transfer Get Genuine Windows software, Pro Pack or Media Center Pack software only together with the licensed computer."
got my 6 core d500 today, here are the results, this is with latest fire pro drivers from amd
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1177306/viewperf.htm
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About to do another test using boot camp driver
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1177306/viewperf.htm
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About to do another test using boot camp driver
Not so great relative to
https://www.spec.org/gwpg/gpc.data/vp12/summary.html
[there is a W5000 and W7000 there. Relative to W5000 not outperforming in most cases. ]
Perhaps the boot camp drivers do better.
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Yeah I'm pretty surprised, I'm hoping for latter
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boot camp drivers
meh
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1177306/viewperf2.htm
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So apple is seling a hexacore with 2 w5000s for $4000, man, what a ripoff.
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boot camp drivers
meh
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1177306/viewperf2.htm
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So apple is seling a hexacore with 2 w5000s for $4000, man, what a ripoff.
reset driver to default to be sure, noticed 16x AF was on, did a reboot
better now but still not super impressed https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1177306/viewperf3.htm
better now but still not super impressed https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1177306/viewperf3.htm
As long as the OS is running on no more than 1 system, yes you can copy and move it between systems.
If it's installed on more than one system at the same time, that's piracy.
It's "too good to be true" - in other words false.
Well at last those results are more reasonable. I almost did a spit take at your first results. Interested to see what the D700s do.
At this rate though, that K5000 is looking mighty good. Maybe I will have to bite the bullet and head back to Windows.
The driver section seems a little light on details as in mostly "N/A"
Does the bench use both cards too?
Have you enabled CrossFire, does it make a difference?
Edit: And thanks for running this, much appreciated.
Finally! Thanks! And for comparison, here's the link for specviewperf12 offical benchmark summary
Hmm, any chance you can run a Specviewperf 11? I know it's not comparable, but TomsHardware did the test with 11, and there's more worstation GPU test made with 11 that can be found online.
Regarding the benchmark result, it looks slightly slower then AMD W series, probably cause of the clock rate but when it comes to workstation GPU, it seems Nvidia still lead the pack as damn those Kepler Quadros are fast. It could also be that they are better optimized.
The D500 compared to the W5000, seems to be on par with it being faster and slower depending on the program. It'll be interesting to see anyone with D300 as other benchmark results show there's not much performance gain between a D300 and D500. As for D700 I expect it to perform similar to a W9000 with it being slower, it's a pity there's no W9000 data in the specviewperf12 official benchmark page.
Interestingly, AMD compares W5000 to Nvidia K2000, link. On Amazon, it seems both cards are originally retailed at $599, but current price discount made the K2000 cheaper then W5000
UPDATE: I checked a few websites (link,link) and based on the spec given by Apple and AMD, they expect the cards to be
D300 - under clocked and lower memory W7000
D500 - ???
D700 - slightly under clocked and lower memory W9000
So it seems the D500 is 10fps slower then a W7000, I wonder could it because of the lower GPU memory or because of the drivers. Nonetheless, although it's slower, the specviewperf result at least proved that they are indeed FirePros and not FirePros with Radeon drivers cause if it is, the performance will be much worse
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Does this test measure OpenCL or OpenGL performance?
Anyway, I updated my GPU comparison chart based on the fact we know the clock speeds now making it somewhat easier to compare cards based on specs.
The D500 is almost certainly a Tahiti Pro as in the R9 280 with some cores disabled and lower clocks.
I think the clock speed advantage of the D300 makes it an excellent choice and would certainly explain why it's on par with the D500 in most tests.
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From my understanding, people run Specviewperf to measure OpenGL performance as most 3D CAD software uses OpenGL and not DirectX except for Autodesk Inventor, but from the official Specviewperf12.
Though I'm not exactly sure how it benchmarks DirectX, but nonetheless Gaming GPU drivers does VERY poorly on a Specviewperf benchmarking test which makes it easy to know if the FirePros supplied in nMP comes with actual FirePro drivers or not.
Hmm, I thought it has been concluded that the architecture of the GPUs; D300 is Pitcairn XT, D500 is Tahiti Pro and D700 is Tahiti XT?
I'm really interested to see results from D300 and D700 as when it comes to 3D CAD (SolidWorks, Inventor, SolidEdge), from my understanding, the softwares makes little use of cores but more into processor speed, meaning a 3.7GHz Quad-Core Xeon will be faster then 3.5GHz 6-Core Xeon (I haven't seen an actual benchmark test comparing those 2 in 3D CAD environment, but I've seen a benchmarking done on a Dual-Core i7 with faster GHz versus a Quad-Core Xeon with lower GHz, the i7 actually beats it quite comfortably in many tasks).
Though this is CPU, I wonder if it's the same for GPU as well since the D300 has much faster clock speed (from the chart you've made) then D500 except the D500 has larger memory, wider bus, and higher bandwidth.
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Interesting, Thanks. Anyway, glad we got this sorted out for you.
BTW, I don't know if you picked this up, but he says he ran the benchmark using AMDs Pro drivers (not Apple's bundled boot camp drivers). Which is interesting, because I remember suggesting early on (post #5) that if someone was successful in using the Catalyst Pro drivers with the nMP in Windows it would be as important and revealing about the underlying nature of these cards, and it seems the dude that ran the benchmark did exactly that. Had these not been workstation level cards in Windows, the Pro drivers wouldn't work at all. He would have had to use gaming drivers if they were not workstation cards.
Do we know for a fact that Apple includes the equivalent of the Catalyst Pro drivers in the Bootcamp bundle, or is that still an open question?
I agree, did my table seem to suggest otherwise? I think it supports that conclusion - in fact I'd like to think this table, which has been around for months, helped draw that conclusion
Interesting. I'm interested too, not in these particular apps, but to try and understand Apples reasoning behind the D500... It seems to have a bit of an identity crisis as to where it makes most sense.
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Yup, thanks a lot guys (and maybe gals?)! Now I'll be looking for anyone willing to run this test on their D300 and D700, I'll will run the benchmark test when my nMP w/ D300 arrives but it'll only be next month, hopefully.
Hmm, if I'm not mistaken he did tested with standard bootcamp drivers and drivers that's downloaded from AMD, interesting result as some software sees some slight improvement while degrades in other.
AMD Catalyst Pro Driver result
Apple BootCamp Driver result
Nope, it didn't. I thought you're wondering about what architecture each card is based on.I agree, did my table seem to suggest otherwise? I think it supports that conclusion - in fact I'd like to think this table, which has been around for months, helped draw that conclusion
Yeah, once we get specviewperf benchmark results from D300 and D700, it'll be clearer (I hope).
D500 it's not the Pro. It's XT2 like D700.
