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xjesterx

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This thread has been going a while, but I have to agree there are problems that develop because of the relationship between Leo and Lisa. Lisa may be a good business person in general, but putting her on air is like taking someone with an MBA and saying they'll automatically be good on tv. The video where they "introduce" Mike to the Twit audience is painful.

Both Lisa and Mike are like listening to two trees. This is obviously Leo thinking with his other head... then she is treated as an equal to the on air personality that makes TwiT stay alive (Leo). She may be his equal business wise since she's the CEO or whatever, but on air is not a good fit.

As for Mike, Leo's obsession with "real journalists" is really what brings the problem. You hire on air personalities because they're fun to watch, and you hire journalists or even talented writers / script writers to create your teleprompter text. Why do you think there are so many video game review / cheat shows over the years that have sexy, big breasted girls as the host??

Mike I'm sure is experienced as a "real" journalist, but someone else pointed out that he is "out of his depth" and this is totally true. On the videos posted he has no idea what is going on, and is typical of a good print journalist who has never been on camera or in management for that matter. Many, many, on camera "journalists" are there cause they have good teeth, hair and/or big breasts in the case of women. The producers and writers behind the scenes make the shows. I know many long time journalists who could never manage a show or even be an editor. It's one thing to be able to research and write stories, it's another to be able to manage a team to make a profit.

To be honest, how much investigative journalism was he doing at Windows magazine for crying out loud??

Sometimes...you can find both...talented on air and journalist background...but let's be real...this isn't 60 minutes. This is Lisa's hire (from all the pieces we've seen put together), and she's not a television executive who knows how to put together a successful television show.
 

mhdena

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What show is Lisa on? I don't think I've heard her.

The woman screener on his tech guy show has as dry a personality as Mike though.
 

smoledman

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Tom Merritt - Understands tech and genuinely loves talking about it.
Sarah Lane - Boring, distracted, Nearly clueless about tech and seems to only work at TWiT to fund her globetrotting vacations

I'm sad that Tom was let go but I understand why they had to do it. But what has always been a puzzle is why they continue to keep Sarah Lane on board. I'm sure she's a nice girl (well, not really because she seems pretty condescending) but for a Tech commentator then she just seems so disinterested in everything tech.

Sarah Lane is iOS-fangirl twit who doesn't really understand anything about technology. For her it's just Apple, Google, Apple, Google, etc... Oh and she always feels the need to throw in a snarky comment against Microsoft every other episode.
 

pbowler88

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Tom's Daily Tech Show is already better than TNT. The vibe on TNT is just not there anymore. Mike Elgan is almost dismissive of Sarah and it's obvious. He tries not to be, but it seems like he just feel so far above her. I really wish they would find a way to bring Tom back to TWiT.
 

stillerfan72

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Tom's Daily Tech Show is already better than TNT. The vibe on TNT is just not there anymore. Mike Elgan is almost dismissive of Sarah and it's obvious. He tries not to be, but it seems like he just feel so far above her. I really wish they would find a way to bring Tom back to TWiT.




agree 100%, today I finally unsubscribed from TNT after being a listener from day 1. I also subscribed to Tom's Patreon for $1/ month for his new show as it is far better than TNT is now
 

MacNut

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Hmmmm the plot thickens. Reading the article it seems she is going to be anchoring and not being the co-host.
I think Sarah wanted out of TNT once the train started to de-rail. She looked a lot happier yesterday.
 

JamonBull

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I just can't believe how many people have left in such a short space of time. I don't blame people for speculating about the network imploding. Firstly Tom, then Iyaz and now Brian Brushwood! Crazy. I wonder if this trend will continue and more staff will leave. Sarah sure doesn't seem overly happy lately. Pitting her show against Mike Elgin's was a pretty strange move IMO. They're both extremely weak hosts and I don't think the network has room for two daily tech shows.

I have been a longtime fan of the TWiT Network and still love listening to MacBreak Weekly. The chemistry between Leo/Andy/Alex on MacBreak is some of the best of any tech show. Unfortunately, since learning more about Leo and the way he's conducted himself (affairs, bullying of staff members and the ever growing arrogance and use of annoying sexual innuendo) I am finding it much harder to listen to his shows. Strange I know. I guess I just had a different idea of the guy than what's reality. He always positioned himself as the everyman's kind of tech guy, even going as far to have the slogan "Netcasts you love from people you trust". Well I tell you what, Leo's lost a lot trust from his audience IMO. Especially after the way he aggressively treated Sarah Lane.

Ah well, at least the extremely consistent quality of MacCast and Accidental Tech Podcast (my two fav tech podcasts) don't seem to be shifting anytime soon...
 

avanpelt

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Sarah Lane seems to be just hanging on at TWiT until she finds another gig. There's little doubt in my mind that she's looking around. She'd be crazy not to be. I personally don't care for her style of "reporting" but she has her fans.

As for TWiT itself, I have actively begun looking for a better source for tech news. I know there are many options out there. Tom Merritt's DTNS is getting better by the day as he gets back into his groove, but it's only one show. I wish I could get several of the TWiT podcast regulars minus Leo and have them on another network.

I used to enjoy Leo; but lately, his purpose on shows seems to be little more than a ringmaster trying to distract the audience from the real content being offered by the guests. He needs a new show called "This Week in Audible". He's basically doing that show already by doing 10+ minute Audible ads on MacBreak Weekly and Windows Weekly. They must be writing him quite the check every month.

Watching the Samsung Galaxy S5 coverage on TWiT yesterday was painful. Leo and Mike talked over a lot of the presentation as it was happening. Then they tried to go back and cover what they had talked over and Leo even said at one point, "I'm not sure what just happened". Way to cover breaking news, TWiT.

One more thing, why can Leo not show up on time for most of the shows he hosts? He's on time for The Tech Guy (because it's a live radio show and he has to be there) and This Week in Tech (because it immediately follows The Tech Guy) and that's it. His "next week we're going to start MacBreak Weekly/Windows Weekly on time" platitudes were getting old years ago back in the TWiT Cottage days.

If he runs his company like he runs the shows he hosts, no wonder his staff are going elsewhere. The fact that he can't show up to do a show on time is not only inconsiderate of his staff's time and his guests' time (as they likely have to work later because of it); but it's also inconsiderate of the people who tune in for the show. Just because you're the owner of the company doesn't mean you can roll in whenever you feel like it. When you adopt that attitude as the owner, I think that's when things at your organization can start to go downhill.
 
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avanpelt

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How much do these guys get paid anyway these days, just wondered?

I have no idea, but based on what Leo has said in the past -- things like, "we couldn't afford to pay him/her to keep them", that makes me think that TWiT has positioned itself to be an "entry level employer" in the sense that Leo wants to teach people the ropes and make them marketable so that another company can hire them away from TWiT and pay them substantially more money than he is willing to pay them.

In the end, that's a good thing long-term for the employee that uses TWiT to climb the ladder onto bigger and better things. I think that's basically what all the TWiT employees who have any ambition at all should be doing.

I guess on one hand, I can credit Leo with giving people a chance at his company so that they can learn and get better and then move on to something bigger and better than TWiT. On the other hand, it means that anyone who really does excel and is fantastic at what they do won't be staying at TWiT any longer than is absolutely necessary -- which is ultimately a loss for TWiT and its audience unless Leo and his team continue to find new, talented people and give them a shot. Just know that if they're ambitious and talented, they probably won't be staying at TWiT very long.
 

MacNut

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I have no idea, but based on what Leo has said in the past -- things like, "we couldn't afford to pay him/her to keep them", that makes me think that TWiT has positioned itself to be an "entry level employer" in the sense that Leo wants to teach people the ropes and make them marketable so that another company can hire them away from TWiT and pay them substantially more money than he is willing to pay them.

In the end, that's a good thing long-term for the employee that uses TWiT to climb the ladder onto bigger and better things. I think that's basically what all the TWiT employees who have any ambition at all should be doing.

I guess on one hand, I can credit Leo with giving people a chance at his company so that they can learn and get better and then move on to something bigger and better than TWiT. On the other hand, it means that anyone who really does excel and is fantastic at what they do won't be staying at TWiT any longer than is absolutely necessary -- which is ultimately a loss for TWiT and its audience unless Leo and his team continue to find new, talented people and give them a shot. Just know that if they're ambitious and talented, they probably won't be staying at TWiT very long.
I think Leo just wants to pocket the money and not pay top talent. He has said the people he wants he can't afford. He doesn't want to be upstaged by the other talent. It has nothing to do with grooming new people.
 

rhett7660

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I think Leo just wants to pocket the money and not pay top talent. He has said the people he wants he can't afford. He doesn't want to be upstaged by the other talent. It has nothing to do with grooming new people.

This is what I think about him also. Just from listening and watching him, he sounds and acts like a very egotistical person.
 

avanpelt

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I think Leo just wants to pocket the money and not pay top talent. He has said the people he wants he can't afford. He doesn't want to be upstaged by the other talent. It has nothing to do with grooming new people.

You could definitely be correct. Either way, I will say to his credit that he has given some less experienced people in the industry a shot; and clearly, TWiT has been a springboard to much better things for the dozen plus people who have moved on over the years.

In the case of the folks who came from bigger companies like CNET to TWiT, I suspect there is a ceiling at TWiT in terms of pay that kept them from staying on board for very long. Some of those folks were probably working a lot harder at TWiT than they had worked for larger companies and were getting paid less for it. Of course, this is all conjecture on my part.

Leo may very well be hiring the less experienced folks because he knows he can get away with paying them less. It's his loss if, when they get more experience, he chooses to let them go instead of choosing to pay them more to keep them happy at TWiT. Whether he enjoys feeding his ego, his bank account, or both, in the long run, TWiT will likely be less successful than it could have otherwise been if Leo had ponied up more money to keep exceptional people on his team.
 

MacNut

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You could definitely be correct. Either way, I will say to his credit that he has given some less experienced people in the industry a shot; and clearly, TWiT has been a springboard to much better things for the dozen plus people who have moved on over the years.

In the case of the folks who came from bigger companies like CNET to TWiT, I suspect there is a ceiling at TWiT in terms of pay that kept them from staying on board for very long. Some of those folks were probably working a lot harder at TWiT than they had worked for larger companies and were getting paid less for it. Of course, this is all conjecture on my part.

Leo may very well be hiring the less experienced folks because he knows he can get away with paying them less. It's his loss if, when they get more experience, he chooses to let them go instead of choosing to pay them more to keep them happy at TWiT. Whether he enjoys feeding his ego, his bank account, or both, in the long run, TWiT will likely be less successful than it could have otherwise been if Leo had ponied up more money to keep exceptional people on his team.
What experience can you gain from TWiT? They don't follow production standards. Who went from twit that wasn't established and went on to bigger things?
 

avanpelt

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What experience can you gain from TWiT? They don't follow production standards. Who went from twit that wasn't established and went on to bigger things?

Hey, even in the worst jobs I've worked, I've still gained valuable experience. Even if it was something along the lines of being able to spot a jerk or smell BS from a little further away in the future.

I don't know the bios of all the people who are no longer at TWiT. All I'm saying is that when most of them have left TWiT, they've gone on to bigger and better things. That's good for the former TWiT folks; and it's a shame Leo wasn't able to keep the talent in the building. Maybe what you're implying is correct and all of those people were well accomplished before they came to TWiT. I'm not sure about that.

Regardless, as I said a few posts ago, I am currently in the process of changing my podcast listening habits because TWiT just isn't doing it for me anymore. I still like the regular cast on MacBreak Weekly and Windows Weekly (Ihnatko, Ritchie, Thurrott, Foley, etc.) but Leo is getting increasingly difficult to take. And unfortunately, it's pretty much impossible to listen to MacBreak Weekly or Windows Weekly without hearing Leo and his rabbit trails about anything under the sun, Mac Pro "fondling", or 10+ minute Audible ads. He's just gotten way too obnoxious for my taste.
 

japanime

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You've got to wonder whether it's not Sarah Lane who is trying to hang on at Twit, but rather it's Twit trying to hang on to Sarah Lane.

Why?

Suppose she's fired. What's to prevent her from filing a sexual-harrassment lawsuit? Sure, Leo can say he was joking every time he used creepy innuendo during his on-air banter with Sarah. And she may have giggled at the comments as if they were no big deal.

But does that mean she really thought they were funny and/or harmless remarks?

The thinking might be that it's better to keep her on the payroll than to fire her and watch her sue the company out of existence.
 

dfiler

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This weekend while listening to the live stream I heard Leo offhandedly mention the on-air staff getting 6 figures plus. But then he seemed to catch himself and move on. If I remember correctly, it was during the break for broadcast commercials where you get to hear a sort-of behind the scene banter.
 

DDaddyx2

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They need to trim down Macbreak and Windows Weekly. Both are routinely 90+ minutes and I don't look forward to them like I used to. Macbreak needs to cut down on the copyright talk or whatever tangents they take that have nothing to really do with Apple. And Windows Weekly spends way too much time on Windows phone. Never has so much talk time been dedicated to what's a fairly insignificant product. I don't mind the ads so much as I just fast forward.

I like GFQ's What the Tech more lately, if you want to hear from Thurrott. I listened to Tom's news show for the first time today and subscribed.
 

Ramboxman

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I could not agree with everything you said more other than I never been a fan of Sarah Lane either to moody and chipper for me.

I've been a fan of TWiT for several years now, and I will continue to watch. I do agree with several of the comments here that some of the spark is gone. I'm not a troll. I'm just a fan who is disappointed with the quality of some of the shows.

Leo is very talented and compelling to watch, but I agree that the network is losing its edge. Security Now is really the only show that has depth anymore. Mac Break Weekly is good at times because of Rene Richie and Alex Lindsay, but Apple doesn't changes products that often so many weeks the show is boring. Windows Weekly is pretty good, but I'm no longer a Windows person so...

Some of the other shows just have mediocre hosts. I mean, could Father Robert really be on any other network? The reason Leo is successful is because he's a pro. He has a knack for explaining the simplest tech issues to a lay person, yet at the same keep the techie's attention without boring them. Most of the other hosts are not media pros, and it's obvious. They get boring really quickly even if they have decent knowledge of tech.

I do think the problems started with Leo and Lisa's relationship. The ramifications are obvious.

I don't think Leo is a bad guy for letting Tom go. Tom should have stayed in studio. If his wife moved then he had to expect this possibility was there. I hope Leo will bring him back at some point because he really is good. Leo did say that LA wasn't the problem so maybe advertisers weren't lining up for Tom's shows. I don't know. Leo also said he wasn't in a position to do what Tom wanted, so maybe Tom had a request that couldn't be fulfilled. Either way, I doubt Leo just fired him for no reason.

I will continue to follow Tom's new shows and I wish him well!

Mike Elgan is very knowledgeable, but he's just not a good host. Make someone else the main host and have Mike sit in as the pundit. That's my take.
 

saukriver

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3 things surprise me

Hmm.

First, the new style on TNT has gotten much, much better. I think bringing journalists on (for 3-5 minutes apiece) makes these show punchier. The pace is more staccato. Mike Elgan seems to have loosened up quite a bit and really lets his opinion fly here and there.

Second, Tom Merritt's DTNS nows seems more tedious. I download the podcast every day, but increasingly I just delete the files without listening.

Third, Sarah Lane's show in the evening (TechNews2Nite) is sort of good.

I am surprised by all 3 of these things.
 
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