Wow, that's condescending, Mac users aren't unintelligent; and to say that they are is quite rude.
Unfortunately the majority of computer users have little technological knowledge, it isn't their fault.
No, you should consider the entire computer as one: specs (including battery life) + build quality + software + price.
Right, so you're trying to make Mac applications..on Windows?
Rubbish. Developers prefer Windows not just because of a larger audience, but because there are better tools and thus it's simply easier and thus they like it more.
Uh, that never happens. Maybe in 2003, but not ever anymore. Oh, sidenote: going "M$" isn't clever. Especially when you consider that there's nobody else that has the same experience overpricing things as Apple. 29 dollars for an elastic band? Check. 3000+ dollars for a POS workstation that can't run any games on high? Check. A laptop without an optical drive, with a paltry 64GB storage, and a worse CPU/GPU combo for a thousand dollars? Check. Charging you money for annual service packs? Check. But hey, at least they give it new furry animal names. How cute.
You're twisting the facts. Your bias is making you spew annoying false statements, frankly. I'm not biased at all; I have an iPad and an iPhone 3G, but it pains me to see idiotic comments from people like you claiming absolute false rubbish about an OS they haven't checked since a version that was released eight years ago. For example, you people seem to think PCs still get BSODs, still freeze up. That's a thing of the past. Time for you to move on and, frankly, grow up.
Truth is rude, but it's the truth. Most people here are hipsters whose parents bought them Macs. If not, most people here talk rubbish about competing operating systems based on what their five year old computers in school perform like.
Thankfully, viruses are filtering out those people, migrating them to Macs. Which leads me to point number one. ^
Repeating what I said with a "No" to make me sound wrong. But going more into specifics to further outline that nonexistent fallacy. Clever.
Again, more rubbish. For the money of a 13" Macbook Pro, I can get a laptop that performs over twice as well, offering Bluray support as well. There's a tremendous price that people refer to as the Apple tax. You denying it further outlines point number one. ^
Better tools? How so? Have you ever used XCode on a Mac? Or better yet, XCode 4.
No, truth isn't rude nor is it the truth; I'd hardly say most, are some? Maybe, but there are many educated people here.
The majority of those people aren't the kind that lurk on mac forums, they are older and don't have much technical knowledge.
Don't be rude, and I didn't do that. You said build was only 10% which implies it's one of the least important things which is wrong, you put priority on specs and little on build quality, I said that you must consider the entire computer as a whole, the specs, software, build, and price -- that isn't what you said.
Stop being rude, and no you can't, you can't get a laptop which will offer the same battery life but offer significantly better specs.
Stop being rude, and check mate? rofl; I said 13" MacBook Pro, not 15" MacBook Pro. I also emphasised battery life, which you seem to have ignored.
Truth be told, negative. But going off what professors in my university say, what countless devs I've spoken to have said, and what professional blogs, comparisons, etc. have said, development is better on Windows.
Lots. Most. Yes there are probably some people here who are smart. Duh.
Not really. Probably most people who get viruses I'd imagine are teenagers. Whatever, anyway, this argument is not really worth going on about.
10% is not little, but I suppose that's the difference between you and I; between PC users and Mac users. PC users will get a laptop with better specs, sacrificing touchpad quality, since obviously the Macbook Pro or whatever has the best touchpad aside from Synaptics. Specs just matter a ton more than other relatively small details such as that.
Yes you can. I happened to pick the most overpriced of the most overpriced when it comes to PC, and I picked a hungry laptop at that. Look at some of ASUS's offerings. I can't be bothered fetching you people links left and right when I know you'll just dismiss irrefutable evidence as bias as you have so kindly done below.
Oh noes, not 2" bigger! What will I do with all that extra screen estate?
Again, I'd rather pick a capable machine that lasts for 6 hours over a crippled POS that will last for 8-9. Maybe our priorities are different but I actually prefer *gasp* FUNCTIONALITY. Given that most people have access to a wall plugin and that most people won't be without said wall plugin for 6 hours of a day. Also, that's 6 hours whilst using it heavily, playing games, etc. It will last more like 8 hours on light use and power saver.
It's not hard data, and I cannot come up with a source at this time. It's purely based on observation around campus, etc.Wow, imitating someone's reply, how irritating, oh wait
"(about 80ish percent of the market actually) do prefer computers that offer specs over something like battery life"
What market research is the source of this information. Could you post a link to it?
By the way. I am wondering, if I would find the same your posts under the articles and reviews of for example Sony VAIO 13" notebooks.
And one more thing. What is better. Specs or how the machine performs (no it is not the same thing)?
Do you really believe that Macs perform significantly better than any other equivalent laptop?Wow, imitating someone's reply, how irritating, oh wait
"(about 80ish percent of the market actually) do prefer computers that offer specs over something like battery life"
What market research is the source of this information. Could you post a link to it?
By the way. I am wondering, if I would find the same your posts under the articles and reviews of for example Sony VAIO 13" notebooks.
And one more thing. What is better. Specs or how the machine performs (no it is not the same thing)?
Stop being rude lol, I'm sure there are very many intelligent people here.
No, that isn't the difference and btw build quality is a lot more than just trackpad quality.
You're the one who is (heavily) biased, if you really were able to provide proof of what you'd say, you'd post links -- because proof can't be refuted. And, that isn't what I've done below.
The 15" and 17" MBPs are quite a bit more expensive than their equivalents than the 13" MBP is, although, they still offer way more battery life than their equivalents too.
No, actually, that isn't pretty much "better" at everything; what's the point of putting those specs up? I can't verify them, so it means and proves nothing.
Stop being so rude, I prefer functionality -- you're just too biased.
None of that is true, and no, not back to point #1.
Above is the very reason I say you are so biased, you say that the Alienware has much better specs (which it does for the CPU, GPU) yet its much heavier and offers nothing near the battery life of the 13" MacBook Pro. You are actually saying that this Alienware machine is better and that its irrelevant (to you) that it weighs a lot and has poor battery life -- that isn't how you compare a product.
Don't forget, the battery life as advertised is on a specific test, not actual real world usage -- you won't get 8 hours under normal use of the MacBook Pro, and you won't get 4 hours on the other machine, it'll vary on what you're doing, but it'll be less.
Exactly, you don't care about less battery life and a heavier laptop, but you can't argue that one machine is better than another machine because it has a better CPU and GPU whilst it lacks battery life and is really heavy which are two things you don't care about -- it all comes down to what the person is looking for. And honestly, the 13" MacBook Pro isn't overpriced, no other laptops (that I know of) really boast that battery life and are able to maintain a good CPU and a good GPU.
Highly irrelevant comment. I never said it was the only thing that mattered.
I came up with examples. Of course, like the herd of sheep you are, you refuse it, because you know I'm right. You come up with some excuses about how I picked the wrong screen size and whatnot. Really? This was never about the 13", this is about Macs in general. Don't nitpick. I'm not biased, because I own several iProducts, but it really shames me to know that I own a product whose community is made up of people like you. Going, "NO, UR BIASED" isn't a valid argument and I'm sick of replying to it, so either form a real premise or cut it out.
There are definitely alternatives to the 13" that are better whilst costing the same. I can't be bothered to go fetch links to prove myself because you'll find some sort of flaw (or make one up) and use it as a basis for your argument till kingdom come (hence the whole 13" whatever fiasco.)
Don't care if you can't verify them. They do exist and that's all that matters. It's not my fault you're too lazy to look it up.
If you ever preferred functionality, you'd never get a Mac to start with.
Read the previous post. You're missing the point. I didn't think you'd take it so literally. I was frankly kidding when posting the Alienware, jokingly saying how even the most overpriced PC can't match the ridiculous price of a mid-range Macbook even though it beats the specs of the highest range. I could definitely come up with an example from ASUS that would make you happy but it's 2:44AM and I really don't care how upset you are over this. The argument has fluctuated from me giving a crap to not so much. I thought I was involved in a real argument, not a pissing match with a fanboy who can't call an overpriced product when they see one. But then again, this is MacRumors so blame me for expecting anything different.
Most people place it low among other priorities, believe it or not.
I think of laptops as portable workstations that can be deployed into your environment. Most environments have wall plugins. Therefore, it's easy to then see why battery life is a relatively unimportant category for most people. The vast, vast majority of students in the campus plug their laptops into wall plugins so that makes me confident in my argument.
I actually tested on my Inspiron with its 9-cell battery. Performance mode made it go for 4 hours (playing Garry's Mod). Balanced took it for 6 (web browsing, movie,) and Power Saver took it to an astonishing 9 hours (web browsing, movie) all at full screen brightness. So yeah, for the specs, I think it's pretty impressive. The thing weighs a ton but that's not an issue for me.