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PlayUltimate

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If my current iPhone dies, I will go for a cheap iPhone and upgrade iPad instead. Much better device to do everything that is not a phone call or SMS.

Agree. Decided to get a 12.9" iPP and keep my 7+. The 7+ continues to work fine for the things that I use it for: Messages, read email et al. iPP for everything else.
 
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Shirasaki

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Haven’t come across these file transfer limitations you’re speaking about! You really can’t transfer files over 20kb? And only two?
That’s not happening with me at all. It’s working as it would on a Mac for transferring files between drives and iPad and all in between.
Granted, it’s a bit exaggerated, but mostly conveys my experience of transferring anything that is not small enough, like 20KB. I don’t know If Apple refuses to support any file system other than APFS or intentionally cripple USB drive support to kinda keep pushing people towards cloud storage which, last time I check, is useless when offline.

Lack of progress bar is one major problem. But the speed. I gotta tell yah, having waited for 40 min for a file that is only 100MB to transfer from iPad to USB stick and no end in sight is a huge disappointment. There is absolutely no way I can accept external drive support unless file transfer speed reaches at least USB 1.1 speed (1MB/S).
 
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cupcakes2000

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Granted, it’s a bit exaggerated, but mostly conveys my experience of transferring anything that is not small enough, like 20KB. I don’t know If Apple refuses to support any file system other than APFS or intentionally cripple USB drive support to kinda keep pushing people towards cloud storage which, last time I check, is useless when offline.

Lack of progress bar is one major problem. But the speed. I gotta tell yah, having waited for 40 min for a file that is only 100MB to transfer from iPad to USB stick and no end in sight is a huge disappointment. There is absolutely no way I can accept external drive support unless file transfer speed reaches at least USB 1.1 speed (1MB/S).


Well I successfully transfer RAW photo folders with gigabytes of data, and 4K video clips, daily, for my job.

As I said before, I can’t comment if it’s the same speed as usbc on my Mac mini, but feels fast enough. I certainly don’t wait anywhere near that long, for far larger files.

Not sure what’s happening with your workflow, but I suggest something maybe wrong somewhere.

I even have an old 2 tb 5400 usb power disk, that’s almost on its last legs, and it’s not even slightly that slow.

What is your system? Just directly connecting?
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FaceID is just one person. I want multi-user support too, but I’d settle for just letting more than one face be registered.

I have two faces set up on mine. Set up an alternative appearance..
 
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MisterSavage

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Funny, FaceID is the exact reason why I haven't bought a new iPad. Actually I did buy one, tried it for a week, and hated FaceId so much I had to return it.

I can't even fathom this. It's so flawless for me it's almost like my iPad has no security because I never have to even think about it. With Touch ID I would get failures all the time, especially when my hands were dry in the winter.
 

OldCorpse

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I can't even fathom this. It's so flawless for me it's almost like my iPad has no security because I never have to even think about it. With Touch ID I would get failures all the time, especially when my hands were dry in the winter.

Guess what - however strange someone else's preferences seem to you, that's the world we live in :)

So chalk up another person - me - who is extremely put off by Face ID... as well as Touch ID! First it's a matter of principle - my fingerprints and my face are my private biometric data, and I am not willing to use those for something as trivial as unlocking a phone/tablet/computer/device. And btw., you have legal protections if you use a passcode (as I do), which you don't if you use biometric data. Sure, I could say, I have nothing to hide, so why not - but it's the principle.

Second, and even more important - using a passcode - in my case 6 numbers - is the single most reliable way to access your device. Face ID is notorious for making mistakes - and for being a hassle, what if you decide to put on sunglasses, or what if you have changed your appearance because you came back from a dress-up make-up party, or sustained an injury, or came back from the dentist all swollen up, or sprouted facial hair, or the lighting is wrong, or a thousand other scenarios? Even if you personally have never had any problems with Face ID, the potential clearly is there - THERE IS ZERO of these issues with a passcode!!! That's a FACT. And you yourself pointed out the problems with Touch ID - dry hands in winter, cracked fingertips, smudges, injuries and so on - the potential clearly is there - THERE IS ZERO of these issues wtih a passcode!!! That's a FACT.

Let me repeat - a passcode is the single most reliable bulletproof way to access your device compared to any of these other methods, and it preserves your biometric privacy and all legal protections.

What are the downsides? For me, personally, none. It takes me probably a fraction longer to unlock my device compared to, say, Touch ID, BUT it's so fast to put in the passcode, it's a muscle memory for me. Convenience is really not a consideration for me. I do have my lock set up for 15 minutes of inactivity, though. I find I don't have to unlock all that often, making this even less of an issue.

For me, the convenience is virtually the same, but the privacy and reliability is much more important.

The reason why I wrote such a long post on this, is because I wanted to explain why it is that what may seem incomprehensible to you, is actually extremely well justified for someone else's different preference. Maybe now you can "fathom" why someone like me HATES the very idea of Face ID (and Touch ID).

That's why the whole concept of "market segments" exist. There are those like you - yes, but then there are users like me, and all of us form part of the market that a seller has to address. YMMV.
 

sparksd

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Jun 7, 2015
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Granted, it’s a bit exaggerated, but mostly conveys my experience of transferring anything that is not small enough, like 20KB. I don’t know If Apple refuses to support any file system other than APFS or intentionally cripple USB drive support to kinda keep pushing people towards cloud storage which, last time I check, is useless when offline.

Lack of progress bar is one major problem. But the speed. I gotta tell yah, having waited for 40 min for a file that is only 100MB to transfer from iPad to USB stick and no end in sight is a huge disappointment. There is absolutely no way I can accept external drive support unless file transfer speed reaches at least USB 1.1 speed (1MB/S).

Yeah, I can readily repeat transfer failures with exFAT devices using Files -

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/file-corruption-on-copy-to-external-storage.2235171/

That was with 13.4.1 so I'll retry with 13.5. Also have done full reset and deleted/reloaded the Files app.
 

Clintro

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For me it is neither here nor there. I do not see it useful on a tablet. Half of the time it does not register and I have to use passcode anyway. It does not annoy me to the point of returning back the iPad, but it does not impress me either.

This is odd.... mine works like 99% of the time
 

sparksd

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Jun 7, 2015
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MisterSavage

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First it's a matter of principle - my fingerprints and my face are my private biometric data, and I am not willing to use those for something as trivial as unlocking a phone/tablet/computer/device.

Ok, but it's a mathmatical representation of your face and fingerprint. Not your actual fingerprint.

And btw., you have legal protections if you use a passcode (as I do), which you don't if you use biometric data. Sure, I could say, I have nothing to hide, so why not - but it's the principle.

I can disable Face ID in 3 seconds by holding down two buttons.

Second, and even more important - using a passcode - in my case 6 numbers - is the single most reliable way to access your device. Face ID is notorious for making mistakes - and for being a hassle, what if you decide to put on sunglasses, or what if you have changed your appearance because you came back from a dress-up make-up party, or sustained an injury, or came back from the dentist all swollen up, or sprouted facial hair, or the lighting is wrong, or a thousand other scenarios?

None of those thousands of scenarios has ever happened to me. I use Face ID every day, including while wearing sunglasses (although it is not compatible with some sunglasses).

Even if you personally have never had any problems with Face ID, the potential clearly is there - THERE IS ZERO of these issues with a passcode!!! That's a FACT. And you yourself pointed out the problems with Touch ID - dry hands in winter, cracked fingertips, smudges, injuries and so on - the potential clearly is there - THERE IS ZERO of these issues wtih a passcode!!! That's a FACT.

You've never made a typo entering the passcode? Ok.

The reason why I wrote such a long post on this, is because I wanted to explain why it is that what may seem incomprehensible to you, is actually extremely well justified for someone else's different preference. Maybe now you can "fathom" why someone like me HATES the very idea of Face ID (and Touch ID).

I don't know why you got so bent out of shape about my post. I wasn't making a negative statement, it's just something I can't imagine. I can't fathom someone liking cottage cheese, but more power to the people that enjoy eating it.
 

Shirasaki

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May 16, 2015
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What is your system? Just directly connecting?
iOS 13.5 and connection via Apple USB-C to USB-A adapter cause I don’t have a single USB-C external storage device atm. The adapter works fine on Mac and on windows PC so problem is not on the adapter.

If direct connection is the way to go then I am speechless. Apple clearly hampers this function to some degree, otherwise it shouldn’t be THAT slow and very picky about filesystem, at least for me.
 

cupcakes2000

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iOS 13.5 and connection via Apple USB-C to USB-A adapter cause I don’t have a single USB-C external storage device atm. The adapter works fine on Mac and on windows PC so problem is not on the adapter.

If direct connection is the way to go then I am speechless. Apple clearly hampers this function to some degree, otherwise it shouldn’t be THAT slow and very picky about filesystem, at least for me.


Well I use mine either directly connected, or via a hub. Don’t have any of these limitations to the degree you seem to have.

I was asking how you attached yours because it could be a faulty cable, or a hub that may draw a little too much power from the iPad, therefore hampering the drives speed.

I’m not sure.

Being picky about the files system is irritating if it affects you (I only use hfs+ or APFS in these cases generally, I sometimes use others in order to deliver finals on more compatible file formats). However, given the already locked down nature of iPad and iPadOS, I’m not that surprised about this either.
 

Shirasaki

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Well I use mine either directly connected, or via a hub. Don’t have any of these limitations to the degree you seem to have.

I was asking how you attached yours because it could be a faulty cable, or a hub that may draw a little too much power from the iPad, therefore hampering the drives speed.

I’m not sure.

Being picky about the files system is irritating if it affects you (I only use hfs+ or APFS in these cases generally, I sometimes use others in order to deliver finals on more compatible file formats). However, given the already locked down nature of iPad and iPadOS, I’m not that surprised about this either.
All I am going to do (and quite frankly the only thing I can do) is wait and see how iOS 14 goes. If Apple manages to improve transfer speed and stability in iOS 14, great. If not, that’s probably going to be ok for me as well. Time will tell.
 

Jablonskitravels

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The truth is that the standard iPad experience is closer to the iPad Pro than the price difference would suggest. For users that mainly want to use their iPad for content consumption, gaming, and web browsing, the iPad Air is a great choice. You can even do light content work, if you’re willing to deal with more sluggish performance.
 

OldCorpse

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I can disable Face ID in 3 seconds by holding down two buttons.

That's an extra step you need to take to disable the very thing you're arguing for. I prefer not to have the issue in the first place. Plus - you don't always have the opportunity to disable Face ID when your tablet is seized.

None of those thousands of scenarios has ever happened to me. I use Face ID every day, including while wearing sunglasses (although it is not compatible with some sunglasses).

LOL - except you gotta mention some sunglasses. Right. And when everyone suddenly has to wear masks - oops. Need to set up another profile. Thanks, but no thanks. I don't worry about any other sudden developments or various sunglasses which render the face detection useless, I just use a passcode. When my wife needs to use my device - which rarely happens - I just shout out the passcode... speak of convenience.

You've never made a typo entering the passcode? Ok.

Honestly? Never. After thousands of entries, I have not suddenly forgotten or gotten a number wrong - like I said, it's muscle memory. It's like I'd forget to walk and that one foot follows another. Muscle memory is pretty much bulletproof, which is why there's even a saying "once you learn, you never forget how to ride a bicycle" - neuroscientists call this "procedural memory". Where people fail in passcodes is when they try to conciously "remember" and store the memory executively - this is where you can have problems. I deliberately train myself to develop muscle memory for such tasks.

Side note about muscle memory - sometimes I'm on a different computer and I have to enter passwords to access various websites. It's funny that even though there are different keyboards, I can feel that I'm entering the right password just by the spacial relationship between the keys. Muscle memory is a funny thing. But of course, YMMV. I guess for me - perhaps not for others - passcodes are a very natural and easy thing, but again, it may be different for different people who approach passwords differently, so I'm not generalizing, just speaking for myself.
 

cupcakes2000

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I can disable Face ID in 3 seconds by holding down two buttons.

That's an extra step you need to take to disable the very thing you're arguing for. I prefer not to have the issue in the first place. Plus - you don't always have the opportunity to disable Face ID when your tablet is seized.

None of those thousands of scenarios has ever happened to me. I use Face ID every day, including while wearing sunglasses (although it is not compatible with some sunglasses).

LOL - except you gotta mention some sunglasses. Right. And when everyone suddenly has to wear masks - oops. Need to set up another profile. Thanks, but no thanks. I don't worry about any other sudden developments or various sunglasses which render the face detection useless, I just use a passcode. When my wife needs to use my device - which rarely happens - I just shout out the passcode... speak of convenience.

You've never made a typo entering the passcode? Ok.

Honestly? Never. After thousands of entries, I have not suddenly forgotten or gotten a number wrong - like I said, it's muscle memory. It's like I'd forget to walk and that one foot follows another. Muscle memory is pretty much bulletproof, which is why there's even a saying "once you learn, you never forget how to ride a bicycle" - neuroscientists call this "procedural memory". Where people fail in passcodes is when they try to conciously "remember" and store the memory executively - this is where you can have problems. I deliberately train myself to develop muscle memory for such tasks.

Side note about muscle memory - sometimes I'm on a different computer and I have to enter passwords to access various websites. It's funny that even though there are different keyboards, I can feel that I'm entering the right password just by the spacial relationship between the keys. Muscle memory is a funny thing. But of course, YMMV. I guess for me - perhaps not for others - passcodes are a very natural and easy thing, but again, it may be different for different people who approach passwords differently, so I'm not generalizing, just speaking for myself.

I don’t know. I prefer a very secure long password consisting of other things than numbers. My phone or iPad is much much more secure. I use touch or Face ID to prevent needing to keep inputting that. As the other person said if I need to disable it quickly? It’s very simply and very quickly achieved, right in the pocket, secretly if you wish. Or upon approaching a check point or border or whatever- can be done with absolute ease. Therefore guaranteeing non access to my phone. 6 digits is not as secure as this system, by a long shot. My threat model doesn’t involve random searches or police seizures, so it works for me and probably many others. Face or Touch ID doesn’t store identifying information, and the info it does store is in a well documented secure and inaccessible location within your phone. Any settings that you wish to access that could be used to change this status, still require the passcode whether Face or Touch ID is Enabled or not. If I had the threat model you seemed to be worried about, I wouldn’t enable biometrics. But I also wouldn’t just have a 6 digit code. Nor would I likely use an iPhone, rather something open source like lineage - if any non disposable phone at all.
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Furthermore, if you used either face or Touch ID, you would realise that lighting has zero to do with anything, nor do a pair of sunglasses, or a beard or anything else. A face mask yes. But that means the system is working. Wet hands? Yes. But dry them on you trousers. Other than that, they’re fairly flawless methods of securely entering your phone or iPad whilst maintaining the ultimate security, a long complicated password. I would take this any day over just 6 digits.
 
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