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stillcrazyman

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In addition to all the other suggestions, download a free trial of Exposure X6. It is like lightroom in some ways, but not a subscription. Stand alone editor, decent DAM. And, it’s not ‘modal’. One interface to edit and manage photos.
I used it for a year or so - previous version.
 
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ian87w

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Since the demise of Aperture, my photography has atrophied. I don't want relitigate or wax nostalgically here, but I wanted to see if I can find a DAM that is a replacement to rekindle my interest in photography. I want an app that makes me want to sort photos again, edit them, curate them and print them.

I'll give you a list of the ones I have tried below. But it seems to me that all contenders focus mostly on advances in editing like e. g. Luminar 4 aka AI, and DAM features fall by the wayside. How are versions and stacks not features that are just standard by now? I reckon that is because of asset management and file management seem to be one and the same thing. Marking photos for deletion (the X rating in Aperture) also do not seem to be included. The other thing is that all contenders but RAW Power are cross-platform, which makes their UI very un-Mac-like and clunky. Am I missing anything?

Photos: Way too limited and has a modal interface.

RAW Power: This seems more like Photos Pro, with more (better?) editing options but its file management functionality seems to be identical to Photos. On the plus side, it seems to be the only piece of software that is Mac-like.

On1: I have tried the current version again, but the UI seems clunky. No stacking, which pretty much eliminates it from serious consideration.

Luminar AI: I have purchased licenses for Luminar 2 and 3 just to fund development for their DAM functionality, which has been a big disappointment. Plus, I am really annoyed by their spam emails that I still get with SPECIAL LIMITED OFFERS and the like, which grates me the wrong way, too. Also all of the example images they present to show off the power of their software seem gaudy.

ACDSEE: I haven't tried it, but just looking at tutorials, they seem to use an approach to DAM that is not compatible with what I'd like: a purely file-based workflow.

I'm currently trying DxO PhotoLabs 4, and eventually I will have to give Adobe Lightroom another chance.

Are there any that I should try? Are there any which are fun?
I'm afraid to say that the only good DAM out there is Adobe Lightroom, and Adobe knows it (thus the subscription only model).

If you have a Sony or Fuji cameras, try Capture One Express. That's their free version. Although not fully featured, the basic functionalities are there and might be decent for your needs, or at least you can try out to see if it's worth paying for the full version.
 

robgendreau

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I wasn't much of a fan of Aperture although I had to use it for a couple of years.

But if you are considering alternatives for say piecing together an organizational structure look at Fast Raw Viewer. Really fast; best thing out there for culling.

I used Photo Mechanic Plus extensively while in beta, but meh. I still use and love regular Photo Mechanic, but Plus is really expensive and I couldn't figure out the use case vs say Lr Classic. Still, worth a look.

But without knowing what the OP needs, hard to make much more in the way of recommendations. Aperture went to its death bed what, about 6 years ago? So a like-for-like replacement esp for image adjustment would be hopelessly out of date. And for organizing, stuff like print and proofing support, profiles, publishing, tethering, and so on might be critical needs. Or custom metadata or georeferencing. Face recognition. Auto keywording. Synching with mobile. Etc.
 

OreoCookie

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But without knowing what the OP needs, hard to make much more in the way of recommendations. […] And for organizing, stuff like print and proofing support, profiles, publishing, tethering, and so on might be critical needs.
Primarily, what I am missing are features that allow me to quickly organize photos, weed out the chaff, make stacks, versions and the like, copy and paste adjustments, etc. Many of the purported alternatives are missing e. g. versions, and apart from Lightroom, I don't think any of them have something like photo stacks. (I'd love to be proven wrong.) The file-centric DAM apps in particular don't seem to want to go there. Even re-ordering photos is not necessarily a given.

Color management should be included, but I can use ColorSync Utility for proofs if necessary. I don't need tethering. And the editing features of Aperture usually sufficed. And most modern DAM software offers more (maybe too much) in that regard. One of the apps I have tried (ab)used “AI/machine learning” to change eye size or slim faces. That's functionality I never knew I needed.
 

OreoCookie

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If you have a Sony or Fuji cameras, try Capture One Express. That's their free version. Although not fully featured, the basic functionalities are there and might be decent for your needs, or at least you can try out to see if it's worth paying for the full version.
You've (unknowingly) touched another sore spot that contributed to my lethargy: my beloved Fuji X100S died, the electronics gave up the ghost. :(
 
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Janichsan

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... and apart from Lightroom, I don't think any of them have something like photo stacks. (I'd love to be proven wrong.) The file-centric DAM apps in particular don't seem to want to go there. Even re-ordering photos is not necessarily a given.
Bridge supports stacking (called "grouping" there), which is precisely why I use it.

The problem with Bridge is, though, that it's a just DAM and nothing else. It doesn't have any editing options on it's own.
 
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mollyc

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Bridge supports stacking (called "grouping" there), which is precisely why I use it.

The problem with Bridge is, though, that it's a just DAM and nothing else. It doesn't have any editing options on it's own.
But you can use acr in bridge. I know a number of people who use that combo in lieu of LR.
 

someoldguy

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Bridge supports stacking (called "grouping" there), which is precisely why I use it.

The problem with Bridge is, though, that it's a just DAM and nothing else. It doesn't have any editing options on it's own.
The fact that Bridge is just a DAM is a plus for me . All I want is something that will get images off a card and put them where I want , let me review them either individually , or as a slideshow ; allow me to set up an album folder for edits of trips or events ; and act as a portal to access whatever editing software I choose ( usually either DXO Photolab , or Affinity Photo ) .
 

Ray2

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Primarily, what I am missing are features that allow me to quickly organize photos, weed out the chaff, make stacks, versions and the like, copy and paste adjustments, etc. Many of the purported alternatives are missing e. g. versions, and apart from Lightroom, I don't think any of them have something like photo stacks. (I'd love to be proven wrong.) The file-centric DAM apps in particular don't seem to want to go there. Even re-ordering photos is not necessarily a given.

Color management should be included, but I can use ColorSync Utility for proofs if necessary. I don't need tethering. And the editing features of Aperture usually sufficed. And most modern DAM software offers more (maybe too much) in that regard. One of the apps I have tried (ab)used “AI/machine learning” to change eye size or slim faces. That's functionality I never knew I needed.
“and eventually I will have to give Adobe Lightroom another chance.”

Don’t mistake the quote as rubbing it in. Forums all over the web have discussions like this. They serve a purpose in pulling together the state of a subject, in this case DAM, in one convenient location. In the specific case of Aperture DAM, 6 years of endless discussions with the same solution many don’t want to embrace.

I find Adobe provides me with an efficient package, at a reasonable cost. I read these discussions as I would embrace a non-Adobe solution. But, in the meantime, I have effective DAM that supports all I left when Aperture got retired. Not to mention it’s far more stable and less subject to library screw-ups than Aperture ever was. You will discover the true state of your Aperture library when you migrate it elsewhere.
 

Janichsan

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oh, i didn't realize that. I thought ACR was also free, but I guess it must need the PS/PSE engine also.
I guess it's rather an artificial limitation to get people to pay for their product. I mean, if – as you correctly said – you could use Bridge + CR as some kind of Lightroom Light for free, there would be fewer reasons to give Adobe your money. ;)
 

OreoCookie

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“and eventually I will have to give Adobe Lightroom another chance.”

Don’t mistake the quote as rubbing it in.
Don’t worry, I don’t perceive it as such. Lightroom is the obvious choice. Thing is that I hated Lightroom’s interface since the public beta. I haven’t tried every version, but I have tried it on-and-off and strongly disliked it every time. It still may be the best option at this point, though.
I find Adobe provides me with an efficient package, at a reasonable cost.
It isn’t cost or the business model that is holding me back, it is just my dislike of Adobe’s UIs. That’s why I want to try them last: I’ll literally have exhausted all other options by then. ;) See it as a way to give Adobe a serious look, though, not as a way to avoid Adobe at all costs. :)
 

Darmok N Jalad

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I guess with CC, you get not just access to software, but cloud storage. The downside is that it’s photo-exclusive cloud storage, so you can’t really use any of that space to store other files in the cloud. I suppose if one doesn’t have many cloud storage needs outside of photo libraries, you could always use the free tier of iCloud, OneDrive or Dropbox. My fear with any subscription service is cost increases. Maybe it will always be a reasonable monthly fee, but there’s no real guarantee of that, other than healthy competition in this space. On1 might be on that path, but they do have a ways to go on their UI. For my hobby needs, Photos and a family tier of iCloud is still about half the price of a LR plan, and the whole family has the benefits of iCloud storage however they choose to use it.
 

mollyc

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Don’t worry, I don’t perceive it as such. Lightroom is the obvious choice. Thing is that I hated Lightroom’s interface since the public beta. I haven’t tried every version, but I have tried it on-and-off and strongly disliked it every time. It still may be the best option at this point, though.

It isn’t cost or the business model that is holding me back, it is just my dislike of Adobe’s UIs. That’s why I want to try them last: I’ll literally have exhausted all other options by then. ;) See it as a way to give Adobe a serious look, though, not as a way to avoid Adobe at all costs. :)
I’m curious what you don’t like about the interface? I’ve always found it rather thoughtful and intuitive.
 

OreoCookie

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I’m curious what you don’t like about the interface? I’ve always found it rather thoughtful and intuitive.
I haven't tried the interface of their latest version yet, but what infuriated me the most was the modal nature of their interface. It constantly got in my way. I felt as if Lightroom wanted to impose a workflow on me as opposed to Aperture, which felt as if it would adapt to me. Either I sort files or I edit pictures. In Aperture, I could mix and match as I liked. Perhaps the workflow Lightroom wants me to use is “better”, but my brain just isn't wired that way. That was not just a preference in how things are done, something philosophical, but I found Aperture's approach tremendously useful when creating photo books (remember those?): here I would often tweak e. g. white balance or the colors on photos on the same page to make them match colors. With Aperture that was trivial, select the image in the book and e. g. hit H to bring up the editing HUD, make your edits and press H again. Ditto for light tables and the like — you would immediately be able to see the result live and make the necessary tweaks. With Lightroom I had to switch between modes. It's also why I really dislike Photos on the Mac and don't use Photos on my iOS devices for much more than viewing.

I also preferred Aperture's more flexible file management, which was IMHO the goldilocks solution: you want a fully managed library? Sure thing. You want to offload some photos in your managed library to an external hard drive of network volume? No problem. Oh, you prefer to manage files manually? Sure, just flick the switch in the Prefs and it shall be done. This is something that used to be much more important to me, but now I just accept that there isn't a solution that chooses to manage libraries.

Of course, Aperture is dead, so I know I will have to say goodbye to my nostalgia. But I think if I don't really like the software I am using, I'll just not get back into photography again. Which is sad IMHO. If I made my money with photography, I would have changed to Lightroom long time ago. It was fun working with Aperture, and I haven't found another piece of software that is fun.
 

r.harris1

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I agree that for me the Lightroom UI is what turns me off - as you say @OreoCookie - my brain isn’t wired that way. It’s a good program though, at the end of the day, and the cost is certainly reasonable. It’s pretty ubiquitous too. Really, we should all be able to find the application or set of them that works for each of us, the choices are many, and are of reasonable to very good quality. I’ve found mine with Capture One and Photoshop with a smattering of PhotoMechanic. They fit my brain like a glove. Others with Lightroom or Luminar or Bridge or you name it...it’s all good :).
 

mollyc

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I admit I never used aperture. I started with LR 1 back in the dark ages when my husband and I still shared a computer. ? I stayed with it when I got my first iMac in 2008. It does probably help that I’ve used it since inception.
 
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Clix Pix

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"It Just Works." [for me.] That's the way I feel about DXO Photolab -- it is the one which works for me. I had tried several other programs, including Capture One, and just wasn't happy. One day I decided to try PhotoLab 3 and almost immediately I felt comfortable with it, at home with it, and everything seemed very intuitive to me so that I was able to get results that I liked without a lot of hassle getting there. Now we're into DXO Photolab 4 and it is even better.
 

OreoCookie

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I agree that for me the Lightroom UI is what turns me off - as you say @OreoCookie - my brain isn’t wired that way.
Yup, and to be fair, Lightroom won, Aperture is dead. So it might still be the best alternative out there. (Just to be sure: I am not trying to re-litigate the LR vs. Aperture flame wars of yore, I'm just trying to explain why so far I haven't gotten along with Lightroom.)
"It Just Works." [for me.] That's the way I feel about DXO Photolab -- it is the one which works for me.
I'm trying DxO right now. It seems to focus on lens corrections for understandable reasons and seems a bit faster than C1 — at least with my test folder. But it seems like one of the more serious contenders.
 
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cSalmon

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I’m making the switch from capture one to On1. yes it doesn’t do stacking for me a major downside as I shoot a lot of pans but you can grab a sequence of say seven images and keystroke them into sub folders you can even choose the preview image for that sub folder so in my case I have a folder with dozens of sub folders for each pan sequence.
what I like, Because I do a lot of pans the processing is somewhat integrated verses before where I need to process the raws export them then open up into a stitching software. I also really like using my own folders to hold my files verses being engulfed into a software’s.
 
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AlaskaMoose

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DXO Photo Lab 4 with the DXO Nik bundle is nothing but an outstanding app, and its learning curve is relatively easy. There is another relatively inexpensive but very powerful photo-editing app, "Affinity Photo". Those who have been using PhotoShop (CS5, CS6, etc.) to edit photos, already have the basics relating how Affinity Photo works. The learning curve for this app is steep, but it is worth it.

I am using both of these apps (above), and plan to stop using the standalone CS5/CS6 apps in the near future. In order to learn about Affinity Photo I purchased the Affinity Photo Workbook (by Serif), since I don't learn well by watching the video tutorials. However, all the Affinity Photo tutorials are available free of charge.

Another app I have is OneOne's Photo Raw, but only use the portraiture module.
 
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