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There has been a lot of good info from a lot of folks here - thanks! Based on this comment, I went searching for the Panasonic and found this 65 inch version. The first thing that struck me was the number of 5-star reviews (12 written reviews and all of the 5-star). This one is also 3-D, which is not a major factor for me, but might be kinda fun to have. I think I'll see if anyone in my local city has this set to look at in person. My only reservation is that this set is thicker and heavier than an LCD, and also it uses more power and some reviewers talked about it giving off a lot of heat. To be honest I hadn't considered Plasma for the simple reason that it's "older" technology, but if the picture quality is as good as they say, then I probably need to re-think that position. I also never considered the effect that 600Hz versus 240Hz on the LCDs for example would have in motion in films and sports. I've heard a lot of complaints on some sets about "motion blur" but this set seems to have that problem licked.

The one thing that is attractive about some of the newer LCD sets is their ultra-thinness, but again, if the picture is that much better on this Panasonic, then I could live with a thicker set; after all, I'll be watching movies and sports on it, not sitting around admiring the case. Now to find one locally to look at!

UPDATE: After some more searching I found that the VT25 was last years model. The new model is the VT30 and I found a couple of interesting videos about this set.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5j3U24XD0w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YBU60LKBeI

Yeah, the VT25 is from 2 years ago, while the VT30 is from last year.

The NEW hotness is the VT50 set, reviewed here:

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Pan...-Flagship-3D-Plasma-TV-Review_282/Review.html
 
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I'd strongly recommend a Panasonic or Samsung Plasma.
Hard to beat them for price/performance. Beautiful screens.
 
Well, I went to look at the Panasonic VT30 again today, but while I was there I started looking at some other sets as well. One set that particularly caught my eye is the Sony XBR55HX929, Sony's flagship LED television. The picture quality of both sets was outstanding, so from that standpoint I don't think I'd be disappointed with either. The Sony is a little smaller (55 versus 65) but I think 55 would be fine given the relatively short distance from the couch to the TV in my house (in fact 65 may be too big). The sony has built-in wi-fi, whereas the Panasonic requires a dongle. Both have a decent set of features, so from that respect they are pretty equal.

The one thing I like on the Sony over the Panasonic is the glass. The sony has Gorilla glass and a much smaller bezel surround. When you turn off the Sony you can't see the bezel at all and it really looks nice. (I know that has nothing to do with performance)

The one thing that concerns me is how well whichever set I get will display standard definition in addition to HD. I have a ton of movies from standard DVD on my iTunes library and I want a set that will display these decently as well. So, I plan to take a had drive with some SD movies (made from Handbrake with ATV2 settings). Which ever set those look best on will probably be the one I buy. I think they are both close enough in HD that I wouldn't notice the difference.
 
What I tell anyone that asks me what TV to buy is that they need to go to the store and see what picture looks best to them. If they find a picture they can see and like the quality of... That's half the battle.

For my part, I've always gone with Sony or Samsung. You pay for the name, but there's a reason the name matters. The quality is hard to beat.

As for plasma vs. LCD, I'll also always go with LCD. It may have changed, but a few years ago, I was hearing horror stories about plasma tvs. They just didn't last like an LCD did. Now, they were less expensive, so it probably averages out to the same...
 
What I tell anyone that asks me what TV to buy is that they need to go to the store and see what picture looks best to them. If they find a picture they can see and like the quality of... That's half the battle.

For my part, I've always gone with Sony or Samsung. You pay for the name, but there's a reason the name matters. The quality is hard to beat.

As for plasma vs. LCD, I'll also always go with LCD. It may have changed, but a few years ago, I was hearing horror stories about plasma tvs. They just didn't last like an LCD did. Now, they were less expensive, so it probably averages out to the same...
You're a bit out of date because a life of 100,000 hours is now typical for plasma, which is longer than many LCDs. After having had several LCD TVs and now two 1080p plasma sets, I wouldn't even consider LCD anymore except for kitchen or bedroom TV where picture quality isn't so important. Comparing TV pictures in a store can be hit and miss if they won't let you change the settings because they generally have TVs set to be bright and oversaturated to compete with the fluorescent lighting.
 
you're a bit out of date because a life of 100,000 hours is now typical for plasma, which is longer than many lcds. After having had several lcd tvs and now two 1080p plasma sets, i wouldn't even consider lcd anymore except for kitchen or bedroom tv where picture quality isn't so important. Comparing tv pictures in a store can be hit and miss if they won't let you change the settings because they generally have tvs set to be bright and oversaturated to compete with the fluorescent lighting.

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After considerable time in the store looking at the two prime contenders, and considering my needs and my viewing situation (room size, ambient lighting, etc.) I made my decision and purchased a new Flat Screen TV today. The two prime contenders were the Panasonic 65" VT30 and the Top of the line Sony Bravia XBR-55/HX929. Both of these sets were outstanding in their own way, and very similar in HD. However, I have a huge library of Standard Def stuff that I don't want to toss, so the set I bought had to also look good playing the standard def stuff. To help me decide, I actually took in 3 DVDs from my collection that were all in standard def: Avatar, "Firewall" and "The Dirty Dozen." I played portions of each on both sets. After spending some time looking at both, and checking off-angle viewing, features, power consumption, etc. etc., I decided on the Sony XBR-55-HX929. The Panasonic had at least as good if not slightly better picture than the Sony in HD, but the brightness wasn't what I know I need given my home lighting situation. It did have a "vivid" setting that was supposed to help that, but in Vivid I thought it looked terrible. I know the Sony is smaller than the 65" Panasonic (for close to the same money in this case), but my rational was that the distance from my viewing area to the TV is close enough so that the 55" will be more than adequate.

I'm sure I would have been happy with either, but after weighing all factors agains my needs I decided the Sony was the best fit. Given it is their flagship TV I know I won't be disappointed.
 
After considerable time in the store looking at the two prime contenders, and considering my needs and my viewing situation (room size, ambient lighting, etc.) I made my decision and purchased a new Flat Screen TV today. The two prime contenders were the Panasonic 65" VT30 and the Top of the line Sony Bravia XBR-55/HX929. Both of these sets were outstanding in their own way, and very similar in HD. However, I have a huge library of Standard Def stuff that I don't want to toss, so the set I bought had to also look good playing the standard def stuff. To help me decide, I actually took in 3 DVDs from my collection that were all in standard def: Avatar, "Firewall" and "The Dirty Dozen." I played portions of each on both sets. After spending some time looking at both, and checking off-angle viewing, features, power consumption, etc. etc., I decided on the Sony XBR-55-HX929. The Panasonic had at least as good if not slightly better picture than the Sony in HD, but the brightness wasn't what I know I need given my home lighting situation. It did have a "vivid" setting that was supposed to help that, but in Vivid I thought it looked terrible. I know the Sony is smaller than the 65" Panasonic (for close to the same money in this case), but my rational was that the distance from my viewing area to the TV is close enough so that the 55" will be more than adequate.

I'm sure I would have been happy with either, but after weighing all factors agains my needs I decided the Sony was the best fit. Given it is their flagship TV I know I won't be disappointed.

Congrats - I love my 55HX929.
 
Congrats - I love my 55HX929.

Thanks. It wasn't an easy decision. I really really liked that 65" Panasonic, but in the end, I needed something that looked good in HD AND playing my standard def stuff. Also, the Panasonic was not as bright as the Sony, which was a concern given the ambient light in my house. I'm sure I would have been happy with either, but in the end, I think (hope) I made the right decision.

One thing that puzzled me was in the CNET review they made a big deal about how crappy (washed out) the pictures would get with the Sony when viewed off angle. When I looked at them both today, I made it a point to check how they both looked off-angle. To be honest, if there was a difference, it wasn't as bad as CNET described it. In fact, I found the picture more than acceptable even at 45-degreess off center. What has been your experience? (or anyone else with the 929)?
 
Now I'm having second thoughts. I have bought the Sony but have not taken delivery yet as they have to ship a new one from another store in the next town over. I could still change my mind and switch to the 65" Panasonic VT30. Why am I having second thoughts? Because I've heard from a friend who repairs TVs that the Sony build quality is not very good. I have a Sony Bravia and it's fine, but I've heard that in recent years Sony's build quality has declined. I do know that the back panel on the Sony was very thin and flimsy.

The picture on the Sony is great, but does anyone have any experience with Sony build quality? Is it as bad as my friend says?
 
I bought a Pioneer Kuro 9g a few years ago. I think the Panasonic VT range is of similar quality.

One of the reasons I went with this rather than LCD/ LED was Standard Def playback - definitely looks better with good plasma sets compared to other technologies.
 
I'd strongly recommend a Panasonic or Samsung Plasma.
Hard to beat them for price/performance. Beautiful screens.

I second this. Although Pioneer still holds the crown for deepest black levels, Panasonic is a close second. (Interestingly Apple uses a Pioneer model for their advertisements when demonstrating Airplay.)

The new 2012 Panasonic plasmas are supposedly brighter than last year's with deeper blacks. I'd highly consider the VT or ST series.

One thing I love about plasma is you get so much more screen for your money. Buy the biggest screen you can afford; you won't regret it. When I bought my 50" Pioneer my wife just about had a heart attack. Now we're both used to it and ready to get a 60". So if you think you need a 60", get a 65" :D
 
Now I'm having second thoughts. I have bought the Sony but have not taken delivery yet as they have to ship a new one from another store in the next town over. I could still change my mind and switch to the 65" Panasonic VT30. Why am I having second thoughts? Because I've heard from a friend who repairs TVs that the Sony build quality is not very good. I have a Sony Bravia and it's fine, but I've heard that in recent years Sony's build quality has declined. I do know that the back panel on the Sony was very thin and flimsy.

The picture on the Sony is great, but does anyone have any experience with Sony build quality? Is it as bad as my friend says?

They are both outstanding TV's. There are several VT30 owners over on AVS that switched to the 929, and just as many that prefer the VT30. The days of plasmas being hands down better than the best LCD sets is over. I actually prefer the picture on my 929 yo my friend's Kuro, and I'm in a fairly dark room with the backlight set very low.

The VT30, the 929 and the Sharp Elite are all very good TV's. You bought a great TV, quit second guessing yourself and enjoy it. Don't get sucked into the plasma vs LCD religious war.

On the other hand, if you really want the VT30, get it. But be aware you will likely have brightness challenges in a room with high ambient light. But you will have better off axis viewing.

As far as reliability, I think it's a wash. Both companies have problems from time to time. Samsungs have recently gotten a bad rep for reliability, yet there are toms of people that have no problems with those either.

There is no perfect consumer TV. Any of these are head and shoulders above what you had, so relax and enjoy.
 
Sony Gorilla Glass LED

Enough said.
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/st...storeId=10151&langId=-1&partNumber=KDL60NX720

The Sony's have gorilla glass and that is a great reason to get it.

My old Bravia was broken by my 2 years old with not once but two flying Thomas the Engine, having the need to replace it, the Gorilla Glass feature has been the best upgrade for any TV ever.

Beside my funny story, that might not apply to you, technically speaking, it has everything you will expect a TV in 2012 to do: LED, 3D capable, 1080p, Wi-Fi, Netflix, Hulu, and many more, USB port, etc.
 
My first answer was just made a quick reply to the original post.

The one thing that concerns me is how well whichever set I get will display standard definition in addition to HD.

You can't go wrong with Sony. It has several settings to make adjustments to the picture, therefore you can make it look however you want.

The DVDs look awesome. The upscaling is great.

Also we stream a lot of things, and many of them are not Hi-def, however they look great.

Sony is still the king in what a TV set is, the remote control is great, and the menus are something you will not hate, like it happens with Samsung, and other manufacturers (my personal experience).

Also, they are always updating the software, therefore it is always getting better. With the Panasonic it might not be the case; I am not sure, but if the model needs a dongle, more than likely it will be stuck with the firmware it came with.

Like I mentioned before, with the Sony you are getting a model that will get you to 2012, and will last for some years to come.
 
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On the other hand, if you really want the VT30, get it. But be aware you will likely have brightness challenges in a room with high ambient light. But you will have better off axis viewing.

My living room does have a lot of ambient light in the day time, which is one reason I have decided on the 929 vice the VT30. As for off-angle viewing, I was concerned about that, but when I tested it at the store, with viewing well off axis, I found it to be fine! If there is some "off angle" issue, it's not sufficient to bother me. I took three movies to the store and played parts of each of them: Avatar, Firewall and The Dirty Dozen. Got a good range of scenes and different lighting. I watched a lot of this content off-axis, about where people will sitting off to the side in our living room. In each case, the display looked perfectly acceptable to me. So I don't think that;'s going to be an issue.

I've already bought the 929, just have to pick it up next week (they are shipping a new one from a different store). Once I get it, as long as I'm happy with the picture (and I'm sure I will be) I'm not going to fret over whether I made the right decision. I made the decision based on weighing lots of factors and I'm happy.
 
Sounds like a good choice with the Sony hope you enjoy it.

I have had a Toshiba for about 4 years and have been pretty happy with it.
 
Also, they are always updating the software, therefore it is always getting better. With the Panasonic it might not be the case; I am not sure, but if the model needs a dongle, more than likely it will be stuck with the firmware it came with.
Why would you randomly speculate? The dongle means nothing. My GT30 is wired and has definitely received firmware updates.
 
VT50 has wireless built in now, but doesn't everyone have ethernet to the AV cabinet nowadays anyway :) TV, ATV, xbox 360, AVR, all need a network connection. I just have an 8 port switch hidden behind the cabinet. WiFi is great in isolation but not so great for bandwidth with several devices competing close together.
 
if you've got the money to spend I recommend a Sony HX925 (or whatever the equivalent is in your country but it will still be a HX9xx) I have the previous model (the HX900) and it's FANTASTIC the blacks are constantly blending into the bezel and it blows me away. It's fully back lit (not side lit) with local dimming so on screen contrast is great, some stuff looks a bit dodgy but if you have quality input source it will shine
 
I'm surprised there is not a real consensus on which TV is the "best." I got my Samsung 750 series (I think..) years ago, and back then it was widely considered to be among the "best." I too ordered from Amazon. Saved over 500-700 dollars compared to Best Buy, and it was free shipping and the guy brought it in, unboxed it, and helped me put it on my console. Also, Amazon didn't try to pressure or guilt me into buying a $200 surge protector or $100 hdmi cables :)
 
I'm surprised there is not a real consensus on which TV is the "best." I got my Samsung 750 series (I think..) years ago, and back then it was widely considered to be among the "best." I too ordered from Amazon. Saved over 500-700 dollars compared to Best Buy, and it was free shipping and the guy brought it in, unboxed it, and helped me put it on my console. Also, Amazon didn't try to pressure or guilt me into buying a $200 surge protector or $100 hdmi cables :)

The consensus on the high end video forums is that, of the 2011 models, these were the top 3:

Panasonic VT30 plasma
Sony HX929 local dimming LCD/LED
Sharp Elite local dimming LCD/LED

The Sharp is by far the most expensive and would have likely been the consensus for the best if it were not for a cyan color decoding error that was virtually invisible, but became an internet furor considering the price of the sets.

The VT30 and 929 are a bit more of a toss-up based on the compromises you are willing to accept.

The 2012 Panasonic plasmas (VT50) promise better PQ than the 2011 models, so things might change. Sony is not updating the 929 apparently, and Sharp has yet to disclose what their plans are for the Elite models in 2012 (if any). LG has announced a local dimming set for the US this year which might also be in the top tier.

The Samsung LCD's are permanently crippled due to the lawsuit with Sharp over local dimming. Samsung is prohibited from selling a local dimming set as a term of that settlement, and that technology is the only way currently for LCD sets to be competative (or even superior) to plasma in black level and uniformity. All of the edge lit and even fixed full array backlit LCD's have varying degrees of flashlighting, clouding and/or less than ideal black levels.

The Samsung plasmas suffered from some issues recently, and the plasma "crowd" has settled on the Panasonic's as the heir apparent to the Pioneer Kuro's (no longer manufactured).

So there is no universal "best". If you ignore the cyan decoding issue and the price, the Sharp Elite's (60 & 70") are probably it except for the obvious viewing angle limitation (they are not an IPS panel). If you believe the talk, the Panasonic VT50's might be the new title holder - I personally did not care for the VT30 over the 929 or Elite. If the 2012 model can drive the black level down and the brightness and contrast up, it could be the set to beat this year.

The lesser models are available, but not the VT series yet, I believe.

It is almost impossible to determine much of anything based on previous model years within manufacturers - they change things so much sometimes, that any sort of brand history is dubious, aside form Panasonic probably having the best plasmas (they purchased the Kuro patents/IP from Pioneer when Pioneer exited the TV business). Sharp owns part of Pioneer now, so they got the Elite brand to stick on their cost-is-no-object LCD set.

The TV industry is losing money, and every set (regardless of cost or brand) has a recent history of potential QC issues and technology tradeoffs. Even the new Elites have had a history of some sets dying and refusing to power on.

Most manufacturers are trying to figure how to survive by lowering cost and increasing size, not improving the state of the art. HDTV's are becoming a commodity item manufactured in China. There was talk of this year's Sony HX929 being the last XBR TV due to the collapse of the high-end market.

The death of the Pioneer Kuro plasma line a few years ago was the beginning of the end, unfortunately, for high-end, "enthusiast" TV's. While TV's are in general getting better on average, it is far less of a sure thing that next year will bring a clear advancement in the state-of-the-art for consumer TV's.

Due to the shape of the market, I'm not holding my breath for OLED (lifespan of the blue layer aside) or 4K displays in anything but very limited, expensive models for some time. Hell, the industry can't even kill off DVD in spite of $75 blu-ray players and $7.99 blu-ray movies.
 
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