Seems like a good time to work out a deal — we’ll remove the app if Congress drops all current and future legislation regarding our App Store operation.
It’s not great that data from FB goes to countries like China, but there’s a huge difference of scale for one thing. At least FB can select what data to release, knowing that they are under US law that can land them in a world of hurt for sharing the wrong information. Even up to treason.
Lets ban everything we would be better off without. Everything.Full support, it is another app that has eroded society and we would be better off without it.
Cool, I'll stick to the facts.Speculation without fact is dangerous. Same idiots thought the election was stolen.
Stick to the facts.
Who said Meta is fine? I said there’s a huge difference in scale. Yes, FB broke/breaks laws but imagine what they would do if they WEREN’T under any US law, which is what TikTok is, except worse, they are under CHINESE law. This makes Tik Tok much much more dangerous and absolutely in need of banning. FB should be punished and regulated for sure, and maybe banned, but because the US has power over FB, banning is not at all as urgent. It’s like a teen that steals from mom and dad vs a home intruder—one wants to see them dead. They’re both bad but not in the same boat.Knowing they are under US Law did not stop them sharing data illegal (both illegal in the US and EU) to Cambridge Analytica. And I know what you'll say - oh that's a UK company, not China. And yeah, it is. But it's also the the thing they got caught on. What have they not been caught on? What were the repercussions? They paid $750m to settle the legal battles. Meanwhile, they had $84bn in revenue. So they didn't even notice the fines.
People here hilariously think that Facebook are obeying laws just because they're American laws and that there are actually repercussions for violating them. We know for a cold hard fact this isn't the case because it literally happened. But tell me more about how Meta is fine, but TikTok evil.
Oh ok, you feel that. Then I guess we better ban it!Good! We are better off without it. I feel like the App is spying on us and collecting the data on another level.
Yeah, rules are pretty lax around here. In Denmark, it’s the same way.Norway's minister of justice is currently getting flak for having TikTok installed on her work phone.
How do you propose that would work? How simple are we talking about and how many votes do you feel this might change, in a close to 50-50 vote society?For example, it would only take a slight tweak to the "algorithm" to boost content that is favourable to the CCP. Or to promote content that is favourable to the CCP's preferred candidate at the next US election.
(on Safari.) not really, though. It would be totally unprecedented and not really enforceable due to VPNs etc.You know they can stop it there too right?
(The Norwegian minister.) yes well… they apparently watched less spy movies in Scandinavia, or somethingI blame the government agency that gave her the phone. Policies can be set up that restrict which apps you can. / can't install.
Yeah, maybe detain them and use the capital punishment to prevent this. That’s often done in some other countries. Something to strive for. Fun aside, it would have to be demonstrated to be a national security risk. I haven’t seen that. Just claims.So comforting to know that there are Americans that could care less about National Security.
CA obtained this data via the app platform, without Facebook’s direct involvement.Knowing they are under US Law did not stop them sharing data illegal (both illegal in the US and EU) to Cambridge Analytica
CA obtained the data via the app platform, without any trade or other compensation.Facebook illegally sells your data (see: Cambridge Analytica)
It’s a fine theory, but I think it doesn’t take into account fundamental differences between American and foreign, especially Chinese companies, and the potential threats that they pose.I don't know, Google and Facebook steal users data all day every day and none of these Senators seem to mind. This seems more like big tech lobbying these senators because of the ad revenue that Tik Tok has taken from them. No matter what they try they can't copy or make anything as popular as Tik Tok so they want it shut down.
From what I understand the truly horrible thing is that the British(US) Law only protects its citizens and thus excludes the native population. So technically no "laws" have been broken which makes it even worse.Read about the trail of tears and how we as a nation treated the native population
Don't forget about Tax filing websites have been sending users’ financial information to Facebook But no lets worry about supposed foreign nefarious nerdowells collecting dataCool, I'll stick to the facts.
Facebook illegally sells your data (see: Cambridge Analytica) and Facebook illegally collects your data without consent (see: Shadow Profiles which they admitted to collecting during the Camridge Analytica scandal).
So we know Facebook is doing it. And we're speculating TikTok is doing it. But only one of these is being asked to be banned? Why is that? Tell me without speculating.
TikTok has an American subsidiary which is bound to US law…like every multinational company that does business here does.Who said Meta is fine? I said there’s a huge difference in scale. Yes, FB broke/breaks laws but imagine what they would do if they WEREN’T under any US law, which is what TikTok is, except worse, they are under CHINESE law. This makes Tik Tok much much more dangerous and absolutely in need of banning. FB should be punished and regulated for sure, and maybe banned, but because the US has power over FB, banning is not at all as urgent. It’s like a teen that steals from mom and dad vs a home intruder—one wants to see them dead. They’re both bad but not in the same boat.
This thread is filled with self declared political and law experts who can barely string a sentence together. We still don't have an answer on why TikTok should be banned over any other social network. Other than "China bad".TikTok has an American subsidiary which is bound to US law…like every multinational company that does business here does.
Samsung is South Korean, but to do business here they have a US subsidiary.
Are you sure you understand the basics of business?
Really?. I have never seen it for real. Seems a bit Trum-ian actually.I believe since September 1, 2021, it has been a law in China that any Chinese entity processing data, in big or small amounts, is perpetually obliged to record and present that information to whatever extent the CCP government deems necessary.
Given that fact, why on earth was TikTok even initially allowed to proliferate the way it did, I will never understand. The damage is long done and that ship has already sailed.
You cannot rationalize human right violations and senseless deaths simply because it happened a while ago. wrong is wrong
Cool, I'll stick to the facts.
Facebook illegally sells your data (see: Cambridge Analytica) and Facebook illegally collects your data without consent (see: Shadow Profiles which they admitted to collecting during the Camridge Analytica scandal).
So we know Facebook is doing it. And we're speculating TikTok is doing it. But only one of these is being asked to be banned? Why is that? Tell me without speculating.
saying how it doesn't bring anything to this world yet he contributes tiktok quality banters on here 😂How so?
tiktok isn't banned in china, they just use a different algo.I hope they do. It's destroying the mental health of teens. All of the short form video apps are, but TikTok might be the worst. A Chinese app — it's banned in China for a reason.
you don't want it? why do you have it then, i don't want the 1000 different flash light apps on the app store but u dont see me ranting about it 😂Sooner the better. why do I want an app to show me stupid people's tricks? or worse people doing crimes/harmful or terrible auto repair items