This name calling is not productive no matter which side it comes from. The important part is to unite in opposing authoritarianism. The left/right culture war only accelerates it.
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UK Government Denies U-Turn on Plan to Scan Encrypted Messages
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Brit here. It’ll never happen - WhatsApp, Apple and Signal etc are all united, our political situation is not so good, they won’t run the risk of apps and services being pulled as the government would collapse. Some say it’s overdue but hey!
Interesting times for this die-hard Apple user - historically so. In grasping for a metaphor for this situation (for indeed it's a wider garden of a situation than the narrow bed of UK politics and culture or Apple's lavish rose beds) I draw on dystopian Blade Runner. Is Deckard the agent of the self-righteous Apple user? Is Huawei a "replicant"? And what about Hannibal Chew, a genetic designer specializing in making eyeballs for Tyrell Corp, but a metaphor for the mysto Wild West steamy marketeer of SK hynix chips uncovered in Huwaei's astoundingly advanced "breakthrough" Mate 60 Pro phones? (https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/06/tech/huawei-mate-60-pro-phone/index.html). For better or worse, the masses will speak and Apple and its niche on privacy as a marketing device is not the masses.
"V for Vendetta" and "1984" are not instruction manuals, UK Government. Stop it.
You’re thinking “communism”, in some of its forms.
Governments globally have always inevitably become the enemy of a free people. Decisions like this just make it more and more obvious.
You’re conflating social media with private messages (presumably sent via iMessage). Sounds like you’d release all of your freedoms if you felt you gained security in return. History has shown how that notion has played out over and over and over and over…
Nope, that's not it either. This is "conservatism" if anything based on where the suggestion is coming from. But putting political labels on these things doesn't help. A bad idea is bad no matter where it comes from.
Apple isn’t a social media company. I think asking Facebook to remove questionable images that are shared publicly is different than asking Apple to scan every photo on our iPhone.
Because someone disagrees with a solution doesn’t mean they don’t recognize the problem.
They always have. Why do you think the USA and all the colonies are no longer part of the United Kingdom???
Would sure love to see some of that government funded studies, That shows it’s possible.
My suspicion though is they’re just making stuff up.
My suspicion though is they’re just making stuff up.
I'm a dad and try to follow child abuse scandals. It looks like you have plenty of these in the UK as well. Do you really feel like the biggest problem in preventing these is lack of access to messengers? If someone is committed enough to abuse children, why wouldn't they just download an APK of Signal on a burner phone?
And that's before we get to pedo rings, which many consider a fringe QAnon conspiracy theory, or at most a one-off thing involving Epstein and Donald Trump and nobody else. But just look what happens when people actually try to investigate one of these rings right in the middle of Europe (!!): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux#Deaths_of_potential_witnesses
And that's before we get to pedo rings, which many consider a fringe QAnon conspiracy theory, or at most a one-off thing involving Epstein and Donald Trump and nobody else. But just look what happens when people actually try to investigate one of these rings right in the middle of Europe (!!): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux#Deaths_of_potential_witnesses
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All governments pass laws purporting to protect against one thing and then the police and DAs extend it to apply to other behaviors they don’t like. This was an issue with Apple’s on device scanning. There was no protection against governments manipulating the hash databases with other images that they had interest in.
If it was about surveillance of LGBT individuals then it would be what Jesus and Reagan would have done and totally justified because they’re all offenders for just existing.
Whatever puts any limits or restrictions on them is whatever bad word comes to mind, socialism, communism, racism, discrimination, fascism, you name it.
“For me but not for thee”, that’s always been their agenda.
Such legalese. We didn’t give up. We just realized it was impossible and said we’re gonna do it the second it’s not impossible, if that ever happens.
My government really is packed with the thickest greediest corrupt £&*@ers around.
They’re clueless on tech and have some dumb country bumpkin think trying to turn us into Russia will please the boomers.
cant Wait for next years election To get these clowns out And leave the tech talk to someone actually qualified Hopefully.
They’re clueless on tech and have some dumb country bumpkin think trying to turn us into Russia will please the boomers.
cant Wait for next years election To get these clowns out And leave the tech talk to someone actually qualified Hopefully.
Good. Once enough of them do it, these morons will backtrack because they'll have zero technology. Imagine trying to live in a country with no iOS, no Android, no Windows, no macOS, etc. These tech companies have to put an end to this BS by just leaving.
Umm...what? Socialism is an economic system just like capitalism. Neither has anything to do with privacy. Perhaps you meant authoritarianism, which is a system of rule in which citizens are required to give up personal privacy and other liberties.
I am not sure what the big deal is as you should always assume that your personal messages will be seen by others. Governments and Big Tech will always compete and play their games.
There is a reason why they say: "Put it where everyone can see it and nobody will be able to see it." or "The real management is the management that you are unable to see." These are the things that people probably should be more interested in and pay attention to.
There is a reason why they say: "Put it where everyone can see it and nobody will be able to see it." or "The real management is the management that you are unable to see." These are the things that people probably should be more interested in and pay attention to.
Hmmm, you do realise that Apple use ARM’s chips don’t you?
Saying they could pull out and everything would be fine is like saying pulling all the manufacturing from China would come with no consequence.
While yes I agree with you partially while somewhere like in a private setting..the UK wanting to scan encrypted data is another level, basically defeats the purpose of encryption
This was doomed from the start. The Act itself will get read and passed through the final stages and no doubt reach Royal Assent, but the terms that effectively require the breaking of encryption will not be present, or will be worded in such a way as to be "in the future" or otherwise kicked down the road. This was always going to be the outcome. The tech companies get their wanted result: no dilution of encryption nor the breaking into E2E messaging. The Government will seem to get what it wants, but will actually get nothing, other than the saving of face. And by next week this will all be forgotten. And iMessage etc will still work just the way it does today.
One of the problems of technology is that on the one hand, we need to protect user privacy against all forms of government malice. However, we also must allow governments the tools necessary to combat crime.
The UK, and London in particular, have largely become a surveillance city with thousands of cameras all over. IMO, the UK cannot be trusted with anything that remotely smells of surveillance.
The UK, and London in particular, have largely become a surveillance city with thousands of cameras all over. IMO, the UK cannot be trusted with anything that remotely smells of surveillance.