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"Apple users have suffered a worse browsing experience when using Private Relay."

Says who?
Well, to be honest performance has been spotty for me. Internet speeds took a significant hit on both my MacBook Pro and iPhone. Especially initial wait times for a page to actually start loading were bad. It also interferes with my work’s VPN

So I ended up turning Private Relay off. I’ll give it another shot once Apple drops the beta tag.

I love how British network operators pretend they’re looking after their user’s best interest by playing this card. 😆
 
What?! It’s not the regulators that are the problem here. It’s the corporations who want to mine your data and are trying to get the regulators to help them. The regulators work for you. Make sure they know that.
Yes to be clear the issue here is the Mobile UK lobbying group.

Lobbying should be shut down entirely.
 
Give me a damned break. Europe can’t have it both ways. Can’t want privacy and then support this crap.
 
Here in the UK the EE operator does not provide a public IP on their service, as it uses CGNAT. They also do not offer an unlimited plan, although they continue to call it such. It is FUP to 600Gb/month for combined download/upload usage.

To fix the first issue it is quite common to use a VPN to provide a public IP endpoint.

For some of us, even 20 miles outside London the broadband infrastructure is so bad that we have no choice but to rely on 4G as our main (and only) connection!

They should be looking to get their house in order, before throwing stones.
 
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“Apple's privacy service is anti-competitive, potentially bad for users, and a threat to national security.”

Translation: we can’t make money spying on our customers and selling info about them if this isn’t corrected.
 
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Here in the UK the EE operator does not provide a public IP on their service, as it uses CGNAT. They also do not offer an unlimited plan, although they continue to call it such. It is FUP to 600Gb/month for combined download/upload usage.

To fix the first issue it is quite common to use a VPN to provide a public IP endpoint.

For some of us, even 20 miles outside London the broadband infrastructure is so bad that we have no choice but to rely on 4G as our main (and only) connection!

They should be looking to get their house in order, before throwing stones.

Wouldn’t be surprised to learn mobile operators pay the cable operators not to upgrade their networks.
 
It’s almost like, there’s a whole industry, that if a major solar flare knocked out tech, would be helpless for income.
 
This is about US intelligence agencies desperately trying to keep a back door option on the table.
They lean on their counterparts within the 5 eyes network to achieve this. MI5 manipulates this group into preventing another barrier to intelligence collection.
Its even more ludicrous than the stunt they pulled in Canada
Really? Evidence? This seems more like just simple corporate greed focused on making people their products. People seem to keep pushing an anti government regulation agenda here. That's not what this is about. It's corporate greed, and we need government regulation (and apparently apple's innovative privacy feature) to keep them from messing with our privacy.
 
Just out of spite, I've turned it all ON and that's on each and every device. Likewise with the rest of the family. What the corps and Tories want, I do the opposite!
 
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Yeah, let’s get rid of all other forms of free speech, too.
Companies should not have free speech. The should not have the same protections as people.

Anyway this is a transparent attempt to invade privacy, with companies and the UK government conspiring together to create a sense of mindless fear to whip up support from the public (the recent UK government funding of a campaign to stop end-to-end encryption is another example). Something to think about given the current situation in Ukraine - there are as many foes of democracy within our borders as outwith them..
 
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Really? Evidence? This seems more like just simple corporate greed focused on making people their products. People seem to keep pushing an anti government regulation agenda here. That's not what this is about. It's corporate greed, and we need government regulation (and apparently apple's innovative privacy feature) to keep them from messing with our privacy.
It's not just corporate greed. The government of the UK wants the country to top the league table in surveillance. And remember the ECJ cannot put the brakes on the government's authoritarian tendencies after Brexit (the EU 'red tape' the govenrment wants to cut are protections for workers, consumers, the environment, small investors, and civil liberties). Case in point with respect to online privacy: the snooper's charter. See https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/fundamental/mass-surveillance-snoopers-charter/.
 
Because why? All companies? Just corporations? What about me, as a sole proprietor of my software company? Partnerships too?
Because companies already have more power than individuals in that they have access to greater funds. Corporate lobbying is one of the biggest faults with democracy right now IMO. I'd love to see all lobbying confined to office hours of legislators and confined official buildings, and recorded for the public to see who's saying what to their elected officials.

And your right to freedom of speech comes from the fact that you are a person. You shouldn't be granted disproportionate rights by virtue of having corporate money or power. And certainly executives of companies should not be allowed to speak for the company given the inevitable diversity of views among workers and investors.
 
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Some beautiful non sequitur arguments there, I’m impressed at the sheer leaps on logic to fuel their arguments lol
 
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Browsing experience has been absolutely fine for me, based here in the UK.

They are probably more concerned about the fact that sites, which were blocked under various court orders, enforcing several ISPs to put measures in place, are no longer blocked.

Apple could block them before the relay if it was court ordered.
 
Because why? All companies? Just corporations? What about me, as a sole proprietor of my software company? Partnerships too?
You have free speech, your company shouldn't. Whether you are the sole proprietor or CEO of a mega corp. Corporations aren't people and shouldn't have the rights afforded to people. They need to be regulated and controlled by the people. The individuals who work at or own the company are free to exercise their rights as individuals, but the corporation shouldn't have the same equal rights as they aren't people but simply means to produce products and services for the people. Giving them rights as individuals opens up a whole host of problems which we have seen in the US since the citizens united decision. Not the least of which is the increase in political power it gives to those with more money. Just because you have more money shouldn't give you more of a voice in governing. It also can shield individuals from their responsibility by hiding behind the corporation which is only able to be accountable financially as it is impossible to convict and imprison a corporation for crimes. It can be fined, but it can also declare bankruptcy and individuals go free.
 
"Apple users have suffered a worse browsing experience when using Private Relay."
How so? By making it harder to track people? OH WAIT, that's making the browsing experience better.
"the Safari browser to apps downloaded from the App Store where Apple can earn a commission."
What commission? 30% of a $0 app is $0.

It is absolutely unbelievable how big of clowns these guys are. But it's also not surprising given this is the same government who wants to ban encryption.
 
Because companies already have more power than individuals in that they have access to greater funds.

So individuals should not be allowed to pool funds to address issue sof concern since that gives them more money tahn an individual to get tehir viewpoint out?

And your right to freedom of speech comes from the fact that you are a person. You shouldn't be granted disproportionate rights by virtue of having corporate money or power. And certainly executives of companies should not be allowed to speak for the company given the inevitable diversity of views among workers and investors.

So Elon Musk should not be permitted to talk about Tesla? Steve Jobs about Apple when he was CEO?

Apple certainly is speaking out in defense of Private Relay, should they not be allowed to do that in response to teh proposal? And lobby against it?

It also can shield individuals from their responsibility by hiding behind the corporation which is only able to be accountable financially as it is impossible to convict and imprison a corporation for crimes. It can be fined, but it can also declare bankruptcy and individuals go free.

So who should be held responsible? The CEO? The shipping clerk who shipped the product and thus played a role in the outcome?
 
Here's the thing though, T-Mobile and others: if you actually only used customer data to help build better networks, we'd probably never have arrived here.

But because you sell that data to advertisers and governments, users started naturally wanting to secure internet browsing.

You made your bed. Time to get comfortable in it.
 
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So who should be held responsible? The CEO? The shipping clerk who shipped the product and thus played a role in the outcome?
Exactly. This is just one of the problems with giving companies the same rights as individuals. Accountability. How do you hold a corporation accountable for crimes. If an individual would be imprisoned for 5 years and unable to work, do you shut down a company for 5 years and put it's assets in receivership? As for your point about groups pooling funds for political power... that's a problem. Money shouldn't be involved in politics at all. All political contributions should be banned and campaigns should be publicly funded. The ideas and policies should be what win the day, not how much funding a candidate has.
 
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