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iPhone 17 Pro Unimpressed with 17 series camera quality
Would post it if I could find it again
so you got 3 units total ? idk what to do man
im also afraid if i order a second phone they might flag me.
I thought so too but my unit got even worse results than a 17 pro in store, both using heic (non raw) so idk anymore
I don’t know much about photography, and I rarely take a good photo. I was hoping that when I next DO want to take some photos, the 17P would be a big improvement vs my 14P. The photos I’m seeing posted in here are shocking! I hope it’s a software thing that can be fixed, but then Love-hate posted the two photos from two separate 17P (own and in-store), then it makes me think HW. Idk, but I hope it all gets worked out.
I know on the main page, MR does their photo comparisons between the latest iPhone and whatever are the leading Android phones. I’d like to see that soon!
I know on the main page, MR does their photo comparisons between the latest iPhone and whatever are the leading Android phones. I’d like to see that soon!
It's not OIS. I get the same blurry results on 48MP ProRAW even when the phone is taking timed shots on a tripod, with me manually focussing via focus peaking.
It's in focus and stable - it's just blurry - and it appears to 100% be the image pipeline rather than the lens.
It's in focus and stable - it's just blurry - and it appears to 100% be the image pipeline rather than the lens.
So hope there, that they can solve it with an iOS update.
So from the reports here, this issue is present in both ProRAW and HEIC files. I filed a bug report at apple and encourage everyone else who is experiencing this issue to do so as well. Otherwise they wont fix this issue, if it is software related.
Repeating the main points of my latest findings from the other thread: at least my 17 Pro cameras work really well in very bright sunlight per my testing today. So the issues seem to only rise on lower light levels, which seems to indicate software issues in image stacking and/or noise reduction, or possibly image stabilization.
Will be opening a support ticket to Apple with these findings. As @Ultraslan mentioned above, the only way to get any software issues fixed is to keep on reporting them to Apple. Whining here in the forums only provides a temporary relief 😅
Will be opening a support ticket to Apple with these findings. As @Ultraslan mentioned above, the only way to get any software issues fixed is to keep on reporting them to Apple. Whining here in the forums only provides a temporary relief 😅
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...48-and-stock-camera-app.2437958/post-34195120
@BlackrazorNZ you said it's not OIS but I am really wondering what could be the cause of such issues, comparing to 17 pro units. the issue happens in 90% of the cases in one unit, and 10% in the other (but the point is, it happens on both)
@BlackrazorNZ you said it's not OIS but I am really wondering what could be the cause of such issues, comparing to 17 pro units. the issue happens in 90% of the cases in one unit, and 10% in the other (but the point is, it happens on both)
If it was the OIS, you would infer that the issue would pretty reliably vanish if the photos were taken on a fixed tripod with a countdown timer. It doesn't.
can someone see if the 26.1 beta fixes the sharpness issue? I have a phone ready for pickup to replace my 16plus but I compared my phone against my wife's 17 pro and my freaking 16 plus is sharper!
There is nothing camera related in the release notes. The 17 series is softer by design, as Apple seems to have reduced the sharpening a bit. It's not so much the sharpening that is an issue, but a total lack of details and blurriness.
So unless the 17Pro of your wife exhibits these issues, there is nothing to worry about at the moment.
Interesting thread.
I've just upgraded from a 15 pro to a 17 pro and am quite happy with it as phones go from the photography POV. I started a thread ages ago where I visited Naples with a 15 pro and was so disappointed that I went back with my mirrorless again a couple of months later. See thread here https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-i-can-be-bothered-to-take-my-camera.2447112/
Anyway I tried the same experiment again with a trip to Warsaw. I don't need to go back. It was adequate for the job. Nothing more.
Solved problems:
Some 17 pro photos (reduced in size for here but all are very sharp and clear full frame shots, no crops)...
I've just upgraded from a 15 pro to a 17 pro and am quite happy with it as phones go from the photography POV. I started a thread ages ago where I visited Naples with a 15 pro and was so disappointed that I went back with my mirrorless again a couple of months later. See thread here https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-i-can-be-bothered-to-take-my-camera.2447112/
Anyway I tried the same experiment again with a trip to Warsaw. I don't need to go back. It was adequate for the job. Nothing more.
Solved problems:
- Oversharpening is much much better. The camera is quite usable now.
- Telephoto is very good at 4x, good at 8x and surprisingly usable at 16x.
- Seems to have less issues with going off the rails with white balance particularly with surfaces with orange tones.
- No lag while it's taking photos.
- Due to the crappy lens geometry you get flare all over the place which is frustrating. Had that on the 13 Pro, 15 Pro and still there on the 17 Pro
- Everything is still HDR which looks amazing on an OLED or mini-LED display but utterly wrong on an IPS panel (like my studio display) or on print. Difficult to trash some dynamic range there and get it printable unless you faff with it in Lightroom.
- Being a smartphone you spend more time trying to get finger prints off the lens than taking photos otherwise it looks like you're taking a photo through a layer of butter.
- Focus isn't precise enough. Spends a lot of time hunting or focusing on the wrong thing. So if you're in a plane for example you have to shove your finger over the LIDAR so it doesn't focus on the window.
- Very high dynamic range images, like looking into the sun, seems to push their post processing algorithms too far and it kills the detail in the darker parts of the image entirely. Expect this is also due to no shutter.
- Depth of field on the 1x camera is awfully shallow. I have to step away from stuff and use the telephoto a lot. This really pisses me off.
Some 17 pro photos (reduced in size for here but all are very sharp and clear full frame shots, no crops)...
I'm assuming you use the stock camera app? mind sharing some settings, eg ProRaw vs HEIC, resolution, photographic style and such?
Default settings. Default camera app, standard visual style. HEIC. Minor edit in Photos app, usually contrast and up shadows and drop saturation if I want a B&W photo.
I usually shoot RAW NEF on my Nikon but I don't do heavy edits on the iPhone. It does an ok job most of the time. Most of the work of a photographer should be done before you press the shutter.