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Even though I assume you are trolling as obviously you cannot be serious. As others pointed out you have no idea what you are talking about and you continue to do so.
There are tons of comparison videos on youtube etc. to show that Apple priced this workstation really well and in most cases cheaper than Dell, HP etc.
You also seem to know very little about tech if you think that $400 computer is the same as $1600.
My advice is to either stop trolling or start to educate yourself about it (listen to others etc.)
These forums are full of knowledge if one has desire to learn. Maybe its time for you to start learning something new :)


The problem is expensive does not mean competitive. As a UK original Mac user, who literally had the first Mac's brought over to the UK, I'm so disappointed at how Apple under Tim Cook has gone from its original concept to a fashion item with more interest in glitz than guts. For $50,000 any user needing power can easily get a power base much more powerful.

The Mac platform has been absolutely wonderful, originating from creative minds utilising Xerox original GUI ideas to make a machine users perform creative tasks with ease as the machine works for them, not the other way round. Now its been turned on its backside, with virtually every new OSX spending more time on glitz than functionality that really serves the user. Yes iPhones are pretty, iPhones are usable, but it should not mean that higher level computing, and creativity on the Mac range has to match the prettiness, with so much effort into emoji's and the like.

Apple has lost its way. The Mac Pro is similar to my old Mac Pro, which was a great machine, no doubt about it, but I don't need facilities to make it look pretty, colourful emojis as a fashion item, I just want a powerful machine that makes it easier and quicker to do the job better than anything else on the market, and I'm afraid the Mac line up has not done that for quite a while. Even the laptops are no longer really competitive products but fashion items.

A MacBook Pro will set you back around $1600, yet the WINTEL machines which I've emigrated from years ago, have comparative power machines for $400 with similar processing or better. Yes I could never go back to WINTEL, but I'm saddened by the route Apple takes. Takes too long to incorporate faster processors and components, in most cases designed NOT to be able to upgrade with the Mac Pro being the exception, but at what cost. Apple under Tim has in my opinion lost its direction. You only have to read MacRumours to see how much space is given to computing and creativity which is what led the Mac to be rightly a cult through ease of operation and enhanced workrate by it. Perhaps its time to separate the computing from the glitz of the iPhone.

Interconnectivity is fine, but how many high end music producers, video producers or creators use their iPhone to do it? If they did, then it makes a mockery of Mac Pro as the criterion required for both is so different yet most of time we see 'improvements' that are designed to dull down performance at the higher end from iMacs upwards to make them more and more glitzy and pretty. All takes computing power, all increases coding in the operating system, all leaving more potential for bugs.
 
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Just to chime in. Really disappointed with the new Mac Pro. Build quality is meh.. or either quality assurance down in Texas is crap.

-Case removal is crap. If there is even a minor defect in the padding/ whatever tape they used the case is extremely difficult to remove. (quality assurance failed)
-Locking mechanism is not as high quality as I expected. Doubt it will last long.
-Need a proprietary 8pin connector for adding non-mpx GPUs... really
-Doesn't support PCIe NVME cards that worked in prior Mac Pro.

For the amount that was paid for this machine I am massively disappointed.
 

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Just to chime in. Really disappointed with the new Mac Pro. Build quality is meh.. or either quality assurance down in Texas is crap.

-Case removal is crap. If there is even a minor defect in the padding/ whatever tape they used the case is extremely difficult to remove. (quality assurance failed)
-Locking mechanism is not as high quality as I expected. Doubt it will last long.
-Need a proprietary 8pin connector for adding non-mpx GPUs... really
-Doesn't support PCIe NVME cards that worked in prior Mac Pro.

For the amount that was paid for this machine I am massively disappointed.

Wow, sorry to hear you are going through this, obviously you have some leverage in getting a new machine. I assume the damage in the picture is the lower right rear of the case?

And what specifically about the latch is sub par? I remember the latch bar affair of the 5,1 was very robust...
 
It is great they have resurrected the Mac Pro, but I'm hoping that any high level machine is recognised as being required to serve high level requirements, and the colour or number of the latest Emoji's is not quite as important as build quality, upgradability and functionality for the purpose it is purchased and is competitive priced!
 
Wow, sorry to hear you are going through this, obviously you have some leverage in getting a new machine. I assume the damage in the picture is the lower right rear of the case?

And what specifically about the latch is sub par? I remember the latch bar affair of the 5,1 was very robust...

Yeh that picture is from part of the inside case. The handle part of the latch just feels cheap, especially compared to the chrome handles of the case, which are very nice and sturdy. So the latch could be an issue down the line on durability. As far as the turning mechanism on the latch – it feels like metal grinding together or there is some unnatural resistance. But maybe that's a defect? I honestly don't know.
 
My objective and critical perspective:

Yes I am a little disappointed Apple didn't go with dual CPU configuration or offer the highest-end Xeon Platinums. That was really what I was hoping for just for the sake of epic processing power.

I am impressed on the GPU side; the new Mac Pro really offers a lot of GPU processing capability to creators.

I don't get why everyone keeps referencing the $50,000 Mac Pro when most of that cost is from the 1.5TB RAM upgrade, when most people don't need 1/10th of that. Not to mention if you are getting 768GB RAM or less you can really save a lot by going third party.

The chassis design and internal modularity are fantastic, admit it!

Afterburner card is a nice innovation.

The look of it is pretty incredible in my opinion.

Pro Display XDR is an excellent piece of hardware for the price. They can charge $999 for a monitor stand because the organizations buying these don't really care about hundreds of dollars.

So overall Apple delivered the upgrade we've been waiting for. As I said, I wish they offered dual CPU because then I'd have nothing to complain about. But realistically, I would need to demonstrate that a 28 core "isn't good enough" for me first, which isn't going to happen for awhile.
 
I don't get why everyone keeps referencing the $50,000 Mac Pro when most of that cost is from the 1.5TB RAM upgrade, when most people don't need 1/10th of that. Not to mention if you are getting 768GB RAM or less you can really save a lot by going third party.

Seriously, it's beyond annoying.

Even from OWC those 128GB sticks are $2K right now, you can get the 64GB ones from Crucial for $366 a piece, a monstrous difference in unit price and still end up with a mind boggling 768GB of ram for not even $4,500 vs $10K from Apple. Click bait headlines about $50K computers and reality are most certainly two different things in this day and age...
 
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The problem is expensive does not mean competitive. As a UK original Mac user, who literally had the first Mac's brought over to the UK, I'm so disappointed at how Apple under Tim Cook has gone from its original concept to a fashion item with more interest in glitz than guts. For $50,000 any user needing power can easily get a power base much more powerful.

As someone who were on the "bleeding edge" in the 80´s, I am a bit surprised that you think the 7.1 costs a lot of money. The Mac 128K cost $2500 (about $6000 today).

The IIfx that came in 1990 had a base price of $9900. I could not find out how much a fully maxed out machine would go for, but probably ... a lot. 128 MB ram was probably at least another $5000 (cheapest RAM price I could find at that time, but the fx used weird special SIMMs, so probably a lot more), a graphics card was not cheap either, probably $1000-3000 for a high end one. You could of course go all in and order an overclocked version, Dash 30fx, at $40000 + extras. Then there were also the SGI alternative...

As you mentioned "fashion" and "glitz", I just say "Twentieth Anniversary Macintosh", $7500 for something without either form or function.

Computers in the "good old days" were really expensive equipment.
 
As someone who were on the "bleeding edge" in the 80´s, I am a bit surprised that you think the 7.1 costs a lot of money. The Mac 128K cost $2500 (about $6000 today).

The IIfx that came in 1990 had a base price of $9900. I could not find out how much a fully maxed out machine would go for, but probably ... a lot. 128 MB ram was probably at least another $5000 (cheapest RAM price I could find at that time, but the fx used weird special SIMMs, so probably a lot more), a graphics card was not cheap either, probably $1000-3000 for a high end one. You could of course go all in and order an overclocked version, Dash 30fx, at $40000 + extras. Then there were also the SGI alternative...

As you mentioned "fashion" and "glitz", I just say "Twentieth Anniversary Macintosh", $7500 for something without either form or function.

Computers in the "good old days" were really expensive equipment.

this.
perspective is important.

the way i measure the same differences is in what can actually be done with a device.
you reminded people that the retail prices have fairly remained at least on par from the long removed past to current time.
in terms of what can actually be accomplished on these devices there is simply no comparison at all.
today's machines give the user amazing power.
its almost unimaginable what its going to be like in another 20 years through advances in AI and interconnected databases.
 
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The MacPro is an amazing piece of hardware. But what Apple is missing is a Mac between MacMini and MacPro and a cool 5K monitor. A pro "tool" for people who can't afford $15000 for a good Apple styled monitor and a tower Mac. The LG5K simply doesn't fit into the product line, same as the eGPU. Both should be Apple branded.
 
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My objective and critical perspective:

Yes I am a little disappointed Apple didn't go with dual CPU configuration or offer the highest-end Xeon Platinums. That was really what I was hoping for just for the sake of epic processing power.
The Platinums are server processors and only have 48 pci channels compared to the 64 in the W series. I would have liked to see dual CPU as well, but core counts have climbed so much that I really couldn't justify a dual CPU for my use cases this time around.
 
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