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pshufd

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Oct 24, 2013
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I’ve got two pesky business apps (both critical) giving me trouble. One I somehow got working but hoping I can figure out a workaround for the other.

I would not run critical business software on unsupported or beta software. It's fine for proof of concept for running when supported software comes out.

That said, getting things to work when they shouldn't is a lot of fun.
 

ascender

macrumors 603
Dec 8, 2005
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I've only just got round to doing this and while the install has gone fine, I can't get my internet connection to work in it.

  • Shared network modę doesn't work.
  • If I change to Bridged Mode, it works for a while and then stops. I need to shut down the VM, change to network mode, then switch it back to work.

Updated... Looks like reinstalling Parallels Tools has sorted this out. Weird...
 
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WorldIRC

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Sep 25, 2005
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I would not run critical business software on unsupported or beta software. It's fine for proof of concept for running when supported software comes out.

That said, getting things to work when they shouldn't is a lot of fun.

It's not even the app itself (Which is Web Based) that doesn't work, but the security token software I use to run it. Oh well, I guess I can't use the M1 for now. Back to my PC.
 

LinkRS

macrumors 6502
Oct 16, 2014
402
331
Texas, USA
It's not even the app itself (Which is Web Based) that doesn't work, but the security token software I use to run it. Oh well, I guess I can't use the M1 for now. Back to my PC.
Hi @WorldIRC,

Out of morbid curiosity, what security token software are you having problems with? Is not installing, or will it just not run? One of the "gotchas' folks with older software run into, are applications that have 16-bit code. Currently, no version of 64-bit Windows (ARM or otherwise) cannot run 16-bit code. 32-bit programs will work, but not 16-bit. Thanks!

Rich S.
 

WorldIRC

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Sep 25, 2005
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Hi @WorldIRC,

Out of morbid curiosity, what security token software are you having problems with? Is not installing, or will it just not run? One of the "gotchas' folks with older software run into, are applications that have 16-bit code. Currently, no version of 64-bit Windows (ARM or otherwise) cannot run 16-bit code. 32-bit programs will work, but not 16-bit. Thanks!

Rich S.

Pretty sure it’s CA WebSocket. It installs and I can activate the token. But once I reboot the access token that gets installed corrupts and I can no longer get into my work sites. The software is 64bit only so no issue there.

Our tech team is looking into the logs to see what may be causing it.
 

LinkRS

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Oct 16, 2014
402
331
Texas, USA
Pretty sure it’s CA WebSocket. It installs and I can activate the token. But once I reboot the access token that gets installed corrupts and I can no longer get into my work sites. The software is 64bit only so no issue there.

Our tech team is looking into the logs to see what may be causing it.
Thanks for the info. I am not familiar with that software. It is curious that it works fine, until you reboot. I wonder if it something as simple as a Windows Service that is supposed to start "automatically" is not starting when you reboot. I wish you luck!

Rich S
 

WorldIRC

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Sep 25, 2005
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Thanks for the info. I am not familiar with that software. It is curious that it works fine, until you reboot. I wonder if it something as simple as a Windows Service that is supposed to start "automatically" is not starting when you reboot. I wish you luck!

Rich S
The Service is starting no problem (it’s in our troubleshooting guide). Our security group is looking into it.
 

LinkRS

macrumors 6502
Oct 16, 2014
402
331
Texas, USA
The Service is starting no problem (it’s in our troubleshooting guide). Our security group is looking into it.
Most 32-bit and 64-bit user-mode programs should run find in Windows ARM. It is just programs that try to access the kernel and other protected system resources (and/or need plugins that do) that typically run into compatibility problems. This is a long-shot, but have you tried running it using compatibility mode? https://www.online-tech-tips.com/co...grams-in-compatibility-mode-in-windows-11-10/
 

RainbowSWE

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Jan 3, 2021
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LinkRS

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Oct 16, 2014
402
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Texas, USA
What are you basing this on?
Hi RainbowSWE,

Well, it comes from my experiences with other binary translation systems, and the published documentation on Rosetta 2. See this article for example. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple-silicon/about-the-rosetta-translation-environment. Do you not agree? Of course, this is a general statement, hence why I qualified with 'most.' Some applications may use less-common features of the architecture, and may not have the translation available in Rosetta 2. This is why you have to test your app, just to be sure :)

Rich S.
 

WorldIRC

macrumors 6502
Sep 25, 2005
472
44
Most 32-bit and 64-bit user-mode programs should run find in Windows ARM. It is just programs that try to access the kernel and other protected system resources (and/or need plugins that do) that typically run into compatibility problems. This is a long-shot, but have you tried running it using compatibility mode? https://www.online-tech-tips.com/co...grams-in-compatibility-mode-in-windows-11-10/
Our security team finally ran the logs. They're trying to figure out if Windows 11 is the issue, or ARM, or both.

In the meantime, they've provided me an alternative process to access my resources, so for now, I seem to be OK.

Compatibility mode didn't help.
 

wonderings

macrumors 6502a
Nov 19, 2021
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947
Finally received my M1 Max yesterday. I was surprised when Parallels asked me if I wanted to install Windows 11, I thought I would have to hunt around for the 11 ARM installer. Parallels did its thing and in no time I had Windows 11 running. I have one specific app needed at work, it is an old old old app for a RIP we use in our press department. Amazingly it works great, and thanks to the speed of the M1 Max it runs better then it does on my 5K iMac.
 

GregoryRW

macrumors newbie
Mar 28, 2022
1
1
I was little leery about whether this would work, so I thought I would post my results for others. I have a few Windows apps that I was really hoping would run on Windows on my 16" MacBook Pro. So, I installed Parallels 17.1 on my Mac, then I used the Parallels instructions to install the latest Windows 11 at the time (I have had the laptop about 10 days). I then re-joined the Insiders program, as I run the beta versions (not the Developer versions), but you could do either or neither if you want to stick to retail version. I have since gotten an update through the beta program. Windows 11 is running great, as are my apps. I have had no issues! I am currently on 21H2, Build 22000.8.

Today I ran a Geekbench 5 test with Windows on my old MacBook Pro 16" 2019 vs. the MacBook Pro 16" 2021. The 2019 allocated 2 cores, 1 processor, 24GB of RAM, and Geekbench scores were 1149 (single core) and 2169 (multi core). The 2021 MacBook Pro is allocated with 24 GB RAM, 4 processors/4 cores, and the Geekbench scores were 1550 and 5139. The multi core scores are not apples and apples, but the single core scores are 35% faster! The 2019 probably would have been around 4340 with 4 cores, which means multi core is likely 24% faster. This matches my user experience, Windows is plenty fast enough.

So it works - full retail, beta, whatever you need! Fear not, and there is a LOT of bad info out there of needing to be on the Insider program, yada yada...don't believe it.
This is a great discussion. I am having are two colossal problems. (1) Google Drive for Desktop plus Spotlight no longer works. When you "mount" your Google Drives on the Mac using Google Drive for Desktop, Spotlight is unable to index them, making the feature nearly unusable. (2) When running Parallels plus Windows 11, the Windows version of Google Drive for Desktop will not install due to the ARM processor emulation. Now, clearly, these are Google problems but in at least one posting I read, the Spotlight issue was a situation where Apple and Google were refusing to cooperate. Any thoughts, suggestions, or factual data regarding these problems? TIA.
 
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DrCC

macrumors 6502
Nov 21, 2021
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Canada
The way around these issues for me was Dropbox after using OneDrive for years (it was an option before but it recently went bust on macOS).

1. Dropbox works very nicely with Spotlight in macOS.
2. The Dropbox folder is shared with Windows 11 in Parallels and I have full access and sync in Windows. This way everything works and syncs macOS<>Windows 11.
 
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timfurnish

macrumors newbie
Jun 7, 2021
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This is a great discussion. I am having are two colossal problems. (1) Google Drive for Desktop plus Spotlight no longer works. When you "mount" your Google Drives on the Mac using Google Drive for Desktop, Spotlight is unable to index them, making the feature nearly unusable. (2) When running Parallels plus Windows 11, the Windows version of Google Drive for Desktop will not install due to the ARM processor emulation. Now, clearly, these are Google problems but in at least one posting I read, the Spotlight issue was a situation where Apple and Google were refusing to cooperate. Any thoughts, suggestions, or factual data regarding these problems? TIA.
I'm having the same issue. Really wish Google would address and fix it. Join the thread here. https://www.googlecloudcommunity.co...oogle-Drive-files-in-desktop/m-p/415406#M2182
 

KnownSyntax

macrumors member
Mar 23, 2022
38
17
Phoenix, AZ
Did you buy the one-time fee license, or do you pay monthly in order to get the newer updates? I'm kind of on the fence about which license to grab since I think there are a few things that they could tweak, before it makes sense to buy a one-time license with the MacBook Pro M1 using Windows 11.
 

DrCC

macrumors 6502
Nov 21, 2021
257
184
Canada
The Standard Edition with 4 vCores per Virtual machine is buy only. You can only get the Standard Edition subscription only if you are a Student. Also, the Standard Edition is usually for 30% off on Black Friday for the permanent license.

The Pro Edition with up to 32 vCores is subscription only, you can't get a one-time license.

In the end it is not about one-time fee or subscription, but how many vCores you need (Standard vs Pro Edition)

Parallels 17 buying options

Parallels 17 is the 2nd version that supports the M1 Macs, the first one was 16. They probably update it yearly once a new macOS version rolls out.
 

RainbowSWE

macrumors newbie
Jan 3, 2021
27
9
Hi RainbowSWE,

Well, it comes from my experiences with other binary translation systems, and the published documentation on Rosetta 2. See this article for example. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple-silicon/about-the-rosetta-translation-environment. Do you not agree? Of course, this is a general statement, hence why I qualified with 'most.' Some applications may use less-common features of the architecture, and may not have the translation available in Rosetta 2. This is why you have to test your app, just to be sure :)

Rich S.

I was just curious. :)
 

jav6454

macrumors Core
Nov 14, 2007
22,303
6,264
1 Geostationary Tower Plaza
The Standard Edition with 4 vCores per Virtual machine is buy only. You can only get the Standard Edition subscription only if you are a Student. Also, the Standard Edition is usually for 30% off on Black Friday for the permanent license.

The Pro Edition with up to 32 vCores is subscription only, you can't get a one-time license.

In the end it is not about one-time fee or subscription, but how many vCores you need (Standard vs Pro Edition)

Parallels 17 buying options

Parallels 17 is the 2nd version that supports the M1 Macs, the first one was 16. They probably update it yearly once a new macOS version rolls out.
Well, 4 vCores should be enough for the basic Windows stuff.
 

DrCC

macrumors 6502
Nov 21, 2021
257
184
Canada
I just got this in the mail, I won't use the code.

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