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simon lefisch

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Thanks, but I don't understand why no one uses Disk Utility which does a fantastic job at cloning the disk. It's what I use when I copy a disk before upgrading. It's 'the' way to do safe upgrading. :p
I don't believe Disk Utility will clone the recovery partition (someone correct me if I'm wrong). CCC def clones all partitions.
 

Cyberpower678

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I don't believe Disk Utility will clone the recovery partition (someone correct me if I'm wrong). CCC def clones all partitions.
You're right it doesn't, but the recovery partition isn't lost if you're only messing around with the Mac image. Anytime you do an install of Mac OS it will reinstall the recovery partition of it's missing.
 

Ebenezum

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Essentially turning off anything that'll make the HDD do unnecessary work.

Such as adding a bunch of folders to Spotlight's Privacy section if they don't contain user generated data, or they do contain frequently updating data (ex. a chat program's database, files for a virtual machine).
I used to have some issues with applications like Skype, until I added their application support folder to the privacy tab.

This next one is more maintenance, than a tweak though...

It's a good idea to use an application like iDefrag to reduce the fragment count of frequently accessed or larger files on occasion. It's on-line selected files defrag option is a good thing on occasion.
Just don't think it's a superhero that'll get your HDD going as fast as new, and don't run it too often, maybe once every 6 months should be fine.

There's no need to do a full defrag, with the size of today's disks, the downtime in order to do that is enormous and the comparable benefit is negligible, best to just use the on-line selected files mode once in a while.
Though OS X has active defrag for HDDs, it only deals with files less than 20MB in size.

Thanks. I already have made similar tweaks. In my experience they don't make much difference in iMac 2007. Probably latest OS is simply too demanding given the low specs.

I don't believe Disk Utility will clone the recovery partition (someone correct me if I'm wrong). CCC def clones all partitions.

Last time I cloned partition on Mavericks Disk Utility it copied recovery partition to the disk. Maybe El Capitan Disk Utility has lost the ability?
 

Cyberpower678

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Thanks. I already have made similar tweaks. In my experience they don't make much difference in iMac 2007. Probably latest OS is simply too demanding given the low specs.



Last time I cloned partition on Mavericks Disk Utility it copied recovery partition to the disk. Maybe El Capitan Disk Utility has lost the ability?
If anything it was lost on Yosemite. It never recovered the recovery partition, but it doesn't really matter. Even if you lose it, it's easily recovered, pardon the pun.
 

Cyberpower678

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So I'm perfectly happy with my Mac. I haven't had a single bug so far, no system freezes, etc... I guess it only happens to users stuck with the Intel HD 5000 chip.
 

cynics

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I think I would recommend anyone to upgrade from Yosemite. However if you are on Mavericks, that would be a tough question for me.
 

OldCorpse

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I'm on Mavericks, and it's working OK for me - also, I'm on a late 2009 iMac. Mavericks is OK-ish. I tell you without a doubt what OS worked best for me: Snow Leopard. I only upgraded (to Mavericks), because too many apps were no longer being updated or would not work with SL. I'm scared by what I read about El Cap. But in general I'm slow to upgrade from what works for me. I started out with Tiger, skipped Leopard, went to Snow Leopard, stayed on it until Mavericks. And I'll stay on Mavericks until I see what comes out next - I'm skipping El Cap. If the next thing is not exciting either, I'll keep with Mavericks. And so on - unless I find the OS exciting or useful, I don't upgrade. Of course, one day Mavericks will no longer be supported, and I'll have no choice, but today I still don't need to do El Capitan. I'm staying put with Mavericks. Although it represents a downgrade from SL... especially the finder. Oh well.
 

Samford

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El Capitain 10.11.6 beta is working fine on my 15' Macbook Pro 8,2 late 2011, 10g ram. On my Mac Pro 4,1 tower running 10.11.5 it has lots of spinning beach balls. Same machine also has 10.6.8 on a seperate drive and I must say Snow Leopard kills El Capitan for speed and reliabilty. Always amazed at the blazing speed Firefox 46.0.1 on Snow Leopard and how sluggish it is on El Capitain. So much for progress! I know which one I like.
 
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Cyberpower678

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El Capitain 10.11.6 beta is working fine on my 15' Macbook Pro 8,2 late 2011, 10g ram. On my Mac Pro 4,1 tower running 10.11.5 it has lots of spinning beach balls. Same machine also has 10.6.8 on a seperate drive and I must say Snow Leopard kills El Capitan for speed and reliabilty. Always amazed at the blazing speed Firefox 46.0.1 on Snow Leopard and how sluggish it is on El Capitain. So much for progress! I know which one I like.
How interesting. It's probably worth noting that newer OSes start to demand more as they become more feature rich. I still have no regrets and no beach balls. :D I installed El Capitan onto my mom's MacBook Pro 2011 with HDD. Her laptop runs faster too, and I haven't noticed many Beach balls at all. Those Beach balls I encountered, where no more than 3 seconds.
 

jwolf6589

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So I have a mid 2012 MacBook Pro w/ Retina display 15", a solid 750 GB SSD, and a 2.7 GHz i7 Processor with a Turbo up to 3.7 GHz and 16 GB of RAM.

When I decided to download El Capitan, I couldn't install it because I was formatted with MBR, thanks Windows. (Yes, I use Windows too)

So I backed up both partitions with images, reformatted the entire disk, put the Mac image back on, hacked the windows image back on, but now I'm asking myself should I upgrade.

I see the reviews average at best. Even if I didn't upgrade reformatting to use GUID was simply common sense, (I mean who uses MBR these days).

Most people complain about the speed of the OS, or incompatibilities. So I ask those who upgraded, with similar tech specs, how do you like El Capitan? What are your problems and what do you like?

For those with an older MacBook Pro with a standard HDD, how is El Capitan working for you?


I have a mid 2012 MacBook Pro with 8GB's of RAM and a 500GB standard HD and EL Captain seems to work just fine for my needs.
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I suggest you read some of the posts regarding El Cap 10.11.4 freezes that a lot of people are experiencing , me included.

Thats why i returned baxk to using Yosemite till the freeze issue has been fixed.

I am running EL Captain and have not been experiencing these freezes that you speak about.
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I'm on Mavericks, and it's working OK for me - also, I'm on a late 2009 iMac. Mavericks is OK-ish. I tell you without a doubt what OS worked best for me: Snow Leopard. I only upgraded (to Mavericks), because too many apps were no longer being updated or would not work with SL. I'm scared by what I read about El Cap. But in general I'm slow to upgrade from what works for me. I started out with Tiger, skipped Leopard, went to Snow Leopard, stayed on it until Mavericks. And I'll stay on Mavericks until I see what comes out next - I'm skipping El Cap. If the next thing is not exciting either, I'll keep with Mavericks. And so on - unless I find the OS exciting or useful, I don't upgrade. Of course, one day Mavericks will no longer be supported, and I'll have no choice, but today I still don't need to do El Capitan. I'm staying put with Mavericks. Although it represents a downgrade from SL... especially the finder. Oh well.


Stay in the past if you wish but Mavericks and even SL are missing many features found in EL Captain. For one is iPhone integration. Starting in Yosemite you are able to send texts and make/receive phone calls from your Mac using your iPhone's connection. This to me is a key feature that I cannot live without. However if you have a blackberry, some other phone, or do not use a cell phone these features may not be worth it for you.
 

Eithanius

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I'm on Mavericks, and it's working OK for me - also, I'm on a late 2009 iMac. Mavericks is OK-ish. I tell you without a doubt what OS worked best for me: Snow Leopard. I only upgraded (to Mavericks), because too many apps were no longer being updated or would not work with SL. I'm scared by what I read about El Cap. But in general I'm slow to upgrade from what works for me. I started out with Tiger, skipped Leopard, went to Snow Leopard, stayed on it until Mavericks. And I'll stay on Mavericks until I see what comes out next - I'm skipping El Cap. If the next thing is not exciting either, I'll keep with Mavericks. And so on - unless I find the OS exciting or useful, I don't upgrade. Of course, one day Mavericks will no longer be supported, and I'll have no choice, but today I still don't need to do El Capitan. I'm staying put with Mavericks. Although it represents a downgrade from SL... especially the finder. Oh well.

Finally...! Someone who appreciates the SL superiority of Finder...
 
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OldCorpse

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Well, I don't have the iPhone, so I don't care about the feature integration with El Cap. I mean, I can understand if you do have an iPhone that it might be a terrific feature. But as for making/receiving calls from my iMac - a big LOL, because I can do that already through Hangouts... as a matter of fact, I'm on T-mobile and in my area the cell coverage is poor, and people MUCH prefer the excellent quality of Hangouts through wi-fi... and even there it's kind of funny, because I no longer use Hangouts through my iMac, but through my iPod Touch (latest generation) - works brilliantly! So from that point of view, El Cap does nothing for me.

In general, I know it's super cool to hate on Google these days, but man, I gotta say, without Google and their apps, the experience of iOS and OS X would be so much worse... I don't even mean search (Bing or Yahoo anyone, lol?), I mean things like Gmail, Google Docs, Google Maps (Apple's maps don't come anywhere near), Chrome browser (which has always worked better for me than Safari) - sorry, but I'm all in on Google stuff making my life so much better on Apple hardware - yep, lol, Apple hardware! Apple should go and kiss Google's feet, because they make apps for Apple - without which, relying on Apple's lame stuff life would be so much worse.

Instead of bashing Google, Apple should figure out why they are so bad at so much of the new tech, including stuff like Cloud - at which they've always been bad... anyone remember how you could get your email through Apple, and how you had to pay and and how Gmail came along and blew it away? Or how often the various sync functions would fail - to the point that even Steve Jobs upbraided his engineers and developers "you should hate each other for letting yourselves down". I don't know what it is, but Apple just can't do any of this stuff anywhere near as well as Google (and others).

What Apple does well is hardware (which is why I own so much of it) - it's nice... not the most powerful necessarily and not the best bang for the buck for sure, but it's well-done, well-finished, well-thought out (for the most part - forget the mouse though) and just a pleasure to look at and use, an aesthetic triumph. But they've gradually lost the plot with their OS X (Snow Leopard was their high point), and apps (gave up on much of the pro market, such as photo editing when they finally killed Aperture). And they've been playing catchup - badly - with the internet since day one... just no good at it at all, and Google runs circles around them. So when I read about all the iCloud-this and iCloud-that and various "features" of El Cap and now Sierra... all I can muster is a big "meh". Not excited at all.

I'm staying with Mavericks and Google, thank you, for as long as I can... which may not be that long as I need to buy a new iMac pretty soon, since my late 2009 iMac (which I actually bought early 2010) is getting long in the tooth. And with the new iMac will come a new "improved" OS, lord help me.

What Apple needs is competition. Google spanks them in applications, but nobody comes close in hardware - Apple is still far and away the best, with nobody even close. As for operating systems - it's bad all over... nobody is perfect or much ahead. We'll see what happens.
 
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jwolf6589

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Well, I don't have the iPhone, so I don't care about the feature integration with El Cap. I mean, I can understand if you do have an iPhone that it might be a terrific feature. But as for making/receiving calls from my iMac - a big LOL, because I can do that already through Hangouts... as a matter of fact, I'm on T-mobile and in my area the cell coverage is poor, and people MUCH prefer the excellent quality of Hangouts through wi-fi... and even there it's kind of funny, because I no longer use Hangouts through my iMac, but through my iPod Touch (latest generation) - works brilliantly! So from that point of view, El Cap does nothing for me.

In general, I know it's super cool to hate on Google these days, but man, I gotta say, without Google and their apps, the experience of iOS and OS X would be so much worse... I don't even mean search (Bing or Yahoo anyone, lol?), I mean things like Gmail, Google Docs, Google Maps (Apple's maps don't come anywhere near), Chrome browser (which has always worked better for me than Safari) - sorry, but I'm all in on Google stuff making my life so much better on Apple hardware - yep, lol, Apple hardware! Apple should go and kiss Google's feet, because they make apps for Apple - without which, relying on Apple's lame stuff life would be so much worse.

Instead of bashing Google, Apple should figure out why they are so bad at so much of the new tech, including stuff like Cloud - at which they've always been bad... anyone remember how you could get your email through Apple, and how you had to pay and and how Gmail came along and blew it away? Or how often the various sync functions would fail - to the point that even Steve Jobs upbraided his engineers and developers "you should hate each other for letting yourselves down". I don't know what it is, but Apple just can't do any of this stuff anywhere near as well as Google (and others).

What Apple does well is hardware (which is why I own so much of it) - it's nice... not the most powerful necessarily and not the best bang for the buck for sure, but it's well-done, well-finished, well-thought out (for the most part - forget the mouse though) and just a pleasure to look at and use, an aesthetic triumph. But they've gradually lost the plot with their OS X (Snow Leopard was their high point), and apps (gave up on much of the pro market, such as photo editing when they finally killed Aperture). And they've been playing catchup - badly - with the internet since day one... just no good at it at all, and Google runs circles around them. So when I read about all the iCloud-this and iCloud-that and various "features" of El Cap and now Sierra... all I can muster is a big "meh". Not excited at all.

I'm staying with Mavericks and Google, thank you, for as long as I can... which may not be that long as I need to buy a new iMac pretty soon, since my late 2009 iMac (which I actually bought early 2010) is getting long in the tooth. And with the new iMac will come a new "improved" OS, lord help me.

What Apple needs is competition. Google spanks them in applications, but nobody comes close in hardware - Apple is still far and away the best, with nobody even close. As for operating systems - it's bad all over... nobody is perfect or much ahead. We'll see what happens.



I think you are on the wrong board. This is a Mac board of which you seem to distaste. Go on a Google form.
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Well, I don't have the iPhone, so I don't care about the feature integration with El Cap. I mean, I can understand if you do have an iPhone that it might be a terrific feature. But as for making/receiving calls from my iMac - a big LOL, because I can do that already through Hangouts... as a matter of fact, I'm on T-mobile and in my area the cell coverage is poor, and people MUCH prefer the excellent quality of Hangouts through wi-fi... and even there it's kind of funny, because I no longer use Hangouts through my iMac, but through my iPod Touch (latest generation) - works brilliantly! So from that point of view, El Cap does nothing for me.

In general, I know it's super cool to hate on Google these days, but man, I gotta say, without Google and their apps, the experience of iOS and OS X would be so much worse... I don't even mean search (Bing or Yahoo anyone, lol?), I mean things like Gmail, Google Docs, Google Maps (Apple's maps don't come anywhere near), Chrome browser (which has always worked better for me than Safari) - sorry, but I'm all in on Google stuff making my life so much better on Apple hardware - yep, lol, Apple hardware! Apple should go and kiss Google's feet, because they make apps for Apple - without which, relying on Apple's lame stuff life would be so much worse.

Instead of bashing Google, Apple should figure out why they are so bad at so much of the new tech, including stuff like Cloud - at which they've always been bad... anyone remember how you could get your email through Apple, and how you had to pay and and how Gmail came along and blew it away? Or how often the various sync functions would fail - to the point that even Steve Jobs upbraided his engineers and developers "you should hate each other for letting yourselves down". I don't know what it is, but Apple just can't do any of this stuff anywhere near as well as Google (and others).

What Apple does well is hardware (which is why I own so much of it) - it's nice... not the most powerful necessarily and not the best bang for the buck for sure, but it's well-done, well-finished, well-thought out (for the most part - forget the mouse though) and just a pleasure to look at and use, an aesthetic triumph. But they've gradually lost the plot with their OS X (Snow Leopard was their high point), and apps (gave up on much of the pro market, such as photo editing when they finally killed Aperture). And they've been playing catchup - badly - with the internet since day one... just no good at it at all, and Google runs circles around them. So when I read about all the iCloud-this and iCloud-that and various "features" of El Cap and now Sierra... all I can muster is a big "meh". Not excited at all.

I'm staying with Mavericks and Google, thank you, for as long as I can... which may not be that long as I need to buy a new iMac pretty soon, since my late 2009 iMac (which I actually bought early 2010) is getting long in the tooth. And with the new iMac will come a new "improved" OS, lord help me.

What Apple needs is competition. Google spanks them in applications, but nobody comes close in hardware - Apple is still far and away the best, with nobody even close. As for operating systems - it's bad all over... nobody is perfect or much ahead. We'll see what happens.

Yes Google Hangouts look like it even has the edge on Skype. So stay on an ancient OS if you wish, as for me and the rest of the world we have upgraded to EL Captain. I don't get what was so big about SL as it pales in comparison to EL Captain.
 

simon lefisch

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I don't get what was so big about SL as it pales in comparison to EL Captain.
Stability/reliability. Apple wasn't on a yearly update cycle so more minor releases were issued allowing for more bugs to be squashed.

It didn't have all these "features" like Handoff/Continuity so resources could be used elsewhere (in my case, more processing power towards pro apps like Logic/Ableton).
 

LizKat

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For those with an older MacBook Pro with a standard HDD, how is El Capitan working for you?

Mid-2012 MBP 13", 8GB RAM, 750HDD no problems, and glad I went to El Capitan. I had skipped Yosemite. I also put El Capitan on a 2010 MacBook on which I had switched the drive to SSD and put 8GB RAM, no problems there either.

The only odd thing I notice is occasional recurrence of an old problem I used to have with Apple Mail app. It claims not to know passwords for a couple of POP accounts sometimes, but so far it's spurious since relaunch always resolves it. Mind you I am not at all sure it's related to any particular Mac OS. This "feature" or bug has come and gone for some users including me since at least 2010. In earlier years the app would sometimes actually delete the passwords but so far this version of the annoyance hasn't done that, it just seems unable to find the right keychain entries sometimes, I guess.
 
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Mikersson

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So I have a mid 2012 MacBook Pro w/ Retina display 15", a solid 750 GB SSD, and a 2.7 GHz i7 Processor with a Turbo up to 3.7 GHz and 16 GB of RAM.

When I decided to download El Capitan, I couldn't install it because I was formatted with MBR, thanks Windows. (Yes, I use Windows too)

So I backed up both partitions with images, reformatted the entire disk, put the Mac image back on, hacked the windows image back on, but now I'm asking myself should I upgrade.

I see the reviews average at best. Even if I didn't upgrade reformatting to use GUID was simply common sense, (I mean who uses MBR these days).

Most people complain about the speed of the OS, or incompatibilities. So I ask those who upgraded, with similar tech specs, how do you like El Capitan? What are your problems and what do you like?

For those with an older MacBook Pro with a standard HDD, how is El Capitan working for you?
I use a Macbook aluminium (end 2008) upgraded the memory to 8mb and no problem upgrading to EL Capitan. Works fine since almost one year ago and all the updates are set to "Automatic".
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So I have a mid 2012 MacBook Pro w/ Retina display 15", a solid 750 GB SSD, and a 2.7 GHz i7 Processor with a Turbo up to 3.7 GHz and 16 GB of RAM.

When I decided to download El Capitan, I couldn't install it because I was formatted with MBR, thanks Windows. (Yes, I use Windows too)

So I backed up both partitions with images, reformatted the entire disk, put the Mac image back on, hacked the windows image back on, but now I'm asking myself should I upgrade.

I see the reviews average at best. Even if I didn't upgrade reformatting to use GUID was simply common sense, (I mean who uses MBR these days).

Most people complain about the speed of the OS, or incompatibilities. So I ask those who upgraded, with similar tech specs, how do you like El Capitan? What are your problems and what do you like?

For those with an older MacBook Pro with a standard HDD, how is El Capitan working for you?
I use a Macbook aluminium (end 2008) upgraded the memory to 8mb and no problem upgrading to EL Capitan. Works fine since almost one year ago and all the updates are set to "Automatic".
 

Cyberpower678

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I use a Macbook aluminium (end 2008) upgraded the memory to 8mb and no problem upgrading to EL Capitan. Works fine since almost one year ago and all the updates are set to "Automatic".
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I use a Macbook aluminium (end 2008) upgraded the memory to 8mb and no problem upgrading to EL Capitan. Works fine since almost one year ago and all the updates are set to "Automatic".
I must say 8mb sounds more like a downgrade to me. :p
 

jwolf6589

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I use a Macbook aluminium (end 2008) upgraded the memory to 8mb and no problem upgrading to EL Capitan. Works fine since almost one year ago and all the updates are set to "Automatic".
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I use a Macbook aluminium (end 2008) upgraded the memory to 8mb and no problem upgrading to EL Capitan. Works fine since almost one year ago and all the updates are set to "Automatic".

8MB? Upgrade to OS 7.5?
 
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Asclepio

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Mountain Lion is faster on vmware:confused: . el cap is a shitlag fest

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ardchoille50

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I'm running El Capitan on a Mac mini (late 2012, base model) and it runs perfectly. I've not seen any lag or crashes and the system is plenty fast.
 
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Cyberpower678

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Mountain Lion is faster on vmware:confused: . el cap is a shitlag fest

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I have yet to notice any lag with El Capitan, and I'm doing some seriously heavy stuff with it right now.
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Mountain Lion is faster on vmware:confused: . el cap is a shitlag fest

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It's also worth noting that older software is always faster than newer software. For example, run Windows 95 on a modern computer. It should probably boot up as fast as an application loads on Windows 10. Old software is less feature rich, meaning there's less processing needing to be done.
 
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