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emeka09

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Also been going back and forth on this. Do we feel the battery life on the 14 core m4 pro would be significantly better than the base M4 max? if it is, id go with the pro and 48gb ram but if the difference is negligible (especially now it also has 10 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores), I'd go for the base m4 max.
 

SHOPGSJ

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I currently run a 14" M1 Max (binned) 10c CPU, 24c GPU 32GB. I was really hoping the M4 Max binned would be a compelling upgrade, but i'm not seeing it. The upgraded M4 Pro with 14c CPU and 20c GPU 24GB ($2399) is significantly cheaper than the M4 Max with the same 14c CPU but 32c GPU 36GB ($3199). Even upgrading to the M4 Pro to 48GB of ram is $2799, and this is not even an option on the unbined M4 Max, 36GB is a high as that goes, I would have to go to the unbinned M4 Max with 48GB of ram for $3699.

As i primarily use my machine for development and with AI LLMs becoming more important, memory is more important than ever. While 36GB of the M4 Max binned is more than I have today, I'm finding myself leaning towards the M4 Pro with the 48GB option to provide more headroom, and for $400 cheaper than the M4 Max with 8GB less memory but 12 more GPU cores...

I'm not sure how much difference the memory bandwidth improvments from 273GB/s of the Pro to 410GB/s of the binned Max and double the encoding engines are going to make in my day to day.

Is anywone else thinking of moving from a M1 Max to the M4 Pro/Max? I'm in a bit of a quandry about this.
I bought the binned M4 max today after seeing some new leaks a few hours ago at just how powerful this chip is. Also, Bestbuy has $150 off if you are a plus or total member which helped me justify it in the end. Just my two cents.
 

emeka09

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I bought the binned M4 max today after seeing some new leaks a few hours ago at just how powerful this chip is. Also, Bestbuy has $150 off if you are a plus or total member which helped me justify it in the end. Just my two cents.
Thanks!
 

gadgetfreaky

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I bought the binned M4 max today after seeing some new leaks a few hours ago at just how powerful this chip is. Also, Bestbuy has $150 off if you are a plus or total member which helped me justify it in the end. Just my two cents.
Keep in mind those benchmarks are for the 16 core Max with 40 GPU.
A 14 core "max" has the higher memory bandwidth + the higher GPU count but other than that it's the same as the PRO.
 
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cassmr

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I am buying the 16", with a 2TB drive. But for about the same price, I could get a 64 GB 14" with a 1 TB drive. I need to try them out. Will I be comfortable with just 14" is my big question. It is possible to return a Mac if it's in perfect condition, normally 2 week window, but four weeks or so over Christmas (depending on which country I presume).
In a similar place to you and some others. Considering whether moving down to the 14 and up to binned max. I'm somewhat hoping that the binned max will not meaningfully throttle in the 14. I've ordered teh 16 pro 48, an will see how I feel on the form factor after a week, and maybe swap it for 14 max.

Keep in mind those benchmarks are for the 16 core Max with 40 GPU.
A 14 core "max" has the higher memory bandwidth + the higher GPU count but other than that it's the same as the PRO.

Well, its actually slower memory bandwidth than the 16 core Max, but it is higher than the pro. But, the max also has additional media engine over pro which can make a significant difference for those work flows so that's an additional difference.

I also think 32 vs 20 gpu cores, is probably more significant than 40 vs 32. I also think the extra 2 p cores is unlikely to be meaningful for most users. I mean if you need the absolutely best performance, then the price difference shouldnt be a factor. The single ram configuration is likely a bigger issue.

I tend to think that more cores at a certain point doesn't meaningfully help, as you see diminishing returns for some tasks trying to take advantage.

Lots of people on here talking about AI, but its very likely the mass ai people will end up using in the future will largely not run locally and when it does will need to run / fit on much less capable machines. So unless you are really serious about running your own local llms, I kind of think it could be a trap for some users to buy a bigger machine than they need.
 
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UnifiedMelody

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Unbinnned M4 Max lol 16/40. With the m4 PRo unbinned being 14c/20g it's hard to even justify the binned M4 Max these days for 14/32... and a huge price jump
Unless something is hidden that's not revealed yet.
 

emeka09

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Unbinnned M4 Max lol 16/40. With the m4 PRo unbinned being 14c/20g it's hard to even justify the binned M4 Max these days for 14/32... and a huge price jump
Unless something is hidden that's not revealed yet.
It still has the 12 extra GPU cores + extra video encoders and media engine + 410 v 273 GB/s media bandwidth. It is about 500$ cheaper than the full max, so I don’t think the base max value is that bad for those that don’t need the absolute top performance. The top spec 14 core M4 pro with equivalent RAM and 48gb isn’t that much cheaper than the max; about 300$ less
 

Melbourne Park

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I've actually cancelled my order for the 16" M4 Pro 48 GB 2 TB with Nano.

I've bought a refurb M3 Max unbinned (40 core) from Apple direct with 64GB RAM and 1 TB. It was quite a lot cheaper than the same computer with 48 GB RAM - but they were only available in silver! That silver colour meant I could save $US450 or $Au700! I spoke to Apple also and they have offered me a 30 day return window, in order to try this config and view the new models. As they are not yet available to view in the stores, and I visited to look at them. Loved too while I was there the form factor of the 15" Air!! The price for the refurb M3 Max 40 64GB is $50 more than the M4 Pro 1TB with 48 GB (and without Nano)

I can see some clear advantages in the M4, and to me they are:
1- Thunderbolt 5
2- Faster AI
3- Nano Screen (although I don't use it outside but can use it in my off road caravan)
4- Brighter screen (and I am not sure if the 3rd party solutions to brighten the M3 screens actually are reliable or easy to operate)
5 - Pro versions offer much better value than before

Disadvantages are:
1 - Lack of upgradability in RAM beyond 48 GB in notebook Pros (64 available in a M4 Pro Mini)
2 - Low RAM in the capped Max version
3 - The Max doesn't seem to represent as good value as before, especially the binned ie capped Max where one could upgrade the RAM quite easily as well

I reckon if there was M4 Air which had good sound and Thunderbolt 5 I'd be buying one of those along with a Mini, and leave the mini for doing the video upscaling. If one is caught between portability (14") and performance, having two computers is one way around that, and I reckon the 15" Air provides more portability and a bigger screen than the 14".
 
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cassmr

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It still has the 12 extra GPU cores + extra video encoders and media engine + 410 v 273 GB/s media bandwidth. It is about 500$ cheaper than the full max, so I don’t think the base max value is that bad for those that don’t need the absolute top performance. The top spec 14 core M4 pro with equivalent RAM and 48gb isn’t that much cheaper than the max; about 300$ less
Agree. I recently cancelled my order for a 16inch m4 pro 48gb 1 tb for a 14 inch m4 max 36 gb 1 tb.

It’s the same price. I’m giving up screen, but was thinking about switching anyway. For the same price it’s 60% more gpu cores, extra media engine / encoders, faster memory bandwidth and more monitor support (but I won’t use that). Little loss in ram but honestly prior to them announcing this m4 MacBook pros I had only planned on 36 anyway. I figure it’ll be significantly better performance in the tasks I do including gaming.

It’s a big cost increase where I am to go to the unbinned max With 48gb of ram as you need to upgrade chip and ram. I don’t think I need the extra CPU performance. The extra gpu performance nice but it’s only 8 additional cores. It’s a comparatively smaller % increase than switching from m4 pro to m4 max 32 gpu core model.

That being said I’d be lying if i said the 14 max 40 core being a bto option with a 2 week wait time wasn’t a deciding factor in me just saving the money and getting the binned 32.
 

emeka09

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Agree. I recently cancelled my order for a 16inch m4 pro 48gb 1 tb for a 14 inch m4 max 36 gb 1 tb.

It’s the same price. I’m giving up screen, but was thinking about switching anyway. For the same price it’s 60% more gpu cores, extra media engine / encoders, faster memory bandwidth and more monitor support (but I won’t use that). Little loss in ram but honestly prior to them announcing this m4 MacBook pros I had only planned on 36 anyway. I figure it’ll be significantly better performance in the tasks I do including gaming.

It’s a big cost increase where I am to go to the unbinned max With 48gb of ram as you need to upgrade chip and ram. I don’t think I need the extra CPU performance. The extra gpu performance nice but it’s only 8 additional cores. It’s a comparatively smaller % increase than switching from m4 pro to m4 max 32 gpu core model.

That being said I’d be lying if i said the 14 max 40 core being a bto option with a 2 week wait time wasn’t a deciding factor in me just saving the money and getting the binned 32.
I think you made the right call. My dilemma is between the 14inch 14 core pro with 48gb ram and the base 14 inch max. My first preference is the Pro because Apple says it has 4 hour better battery for video playback + I’m not sure I need all the power in the Max. However, with the max being available on day 1, I might go for that. Do you know if the likes of Microcenter have custom stock options on Day 1?
 

Melbourne Park

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I think you made the right call. My dilemma is between the 14inch 14 core pro with 48gb ram and the base 14 inch max. My first preference is the Pro because Apple says it has 4 hour better battery for video playback + I’m not sure I need all the power in the Max. However, with the max being available on day 1, I might go for that. Do you know if the likes of Microcenter have custom stock options on Day 1?
I imagine if you ordered one you'd likely get it pretty quickly. Then the delays will hit. Ensure you can change your mind before pickup I guess and get all your funds back. I know with Apple there is a time delay in refunding if you return something after taking it away.

I also am unsure about buying the first shipments ... but I guess one is protected, and also, these form factors are very mature now.
 

Rappefiets

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I also bought the binned version. The max is already overkill but I want the extra encoders for my video editing work. My M1 max was perfect for the job but this new M4 chip, black color and nano display convinced me to upgrade.
 
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