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maxthackray

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This thread is about upgrading MacBook Airs (2013-2017) & Macbook Pros (2013-2015) with new M.2 NVMe SSDs.
It was the first thread to discuss of NVMe SSD upgrades and was initited by@maxthackray which we can thank and give tribute for having started this thread.
This post has now been converted by MacRumors administrators to the present wiki post you are reading.
This wikipost was redacted by many users, including among other @gilles_polysoft, @redtomato, @tonych...


1 - What models are concerned with M.2 NVMe upgrades ?


From 2013 to 2017, Apple shipped MacBook Airs and MacBook Pro with proprietary, AHCI "blade" SSDs with a proprietary "gumstick" 12+16 pins connector.

In details:


1-a MacBook Air

The following MacBook Air support M.2 2280 NVMe SSD with an adapter :
  • A1465 - MacBook Air 11", Mid 2013 (MacBookAir6,1)
  • A1465 - MacBook Air 11", Early 2014 (MacBookAir6,1)
  • A1465 - MacBook Air 11", Early 2015 (MacBookAir7,1)
  • A1466 - MacBook Air 13", Mid 2013 (MacBookAir6,2)
  • A1466 - MacBook Air 13", Early 2014 (MacBookAir6,2)
  • A1466 - MacBook Air 13", Mid 2015 (MacBookAir7,2)
  • A1466 - MacBook Air 13", Mid 2017 (MacBookAir7,2)

2013-2014 MacBook Air originally shipped with 2x lanes PCIe 2.0 AHCI SSUAX SSD (speed ~700MB/s).
2015-2017 MacBook Air originally shipped with 4x lanes PCIe 2.0 AHCI SSUBX SSD (speed ~1.4GB/s).
They all support NVMe SSDs at full 4x lanes PCIe 2.0 speed (~1.4GB/s) with no size limit.

The A1466 MacBook Air 13", Mid 2012 (MacBookAir5,2) is reported to being able to both support SATA and NVMe M.2 SSD, but this need to be confirmed.


1-b MacBook Pro retina 13" and 15"

The following MacBook Pro Retina support M.2 2280 NVMe SSDs with an adapter :
  • A1502 - MacBook Pro Retina 13", Late 2013 (MacBookPro11,1)
  • A1502 - MacBook Pro Retina 13", Mid 2014 (MacBookPro11,1)
  • A1502 - MacBook Pro Retina 13", Early 2015 (MacBookPro12,1)
  • A1398 - MacBook Pro Retina 15", Late 2013 (MacBookPro11,2 - MacBookPro11,3)
  • A1398 - MacBook Pro Retina 15", Mid 2014 (MacBookPro11,2 - MacBookPro11,3)
  • A1398 - MacBook Pro Retina 15", Mid 2015 (MacBookPro11,4 - MacBookPro11,5)
The 2013-2015 13" MacBook Pro originally shipped with 2x lanes PCIe 2.0 AHCI SSUAX SSD (speed ~700MB/s).
The 2013-2014 15" MacBook Pro originally shipped with 2x lanes PCIe 2.0 AHCI SSUAX SSD (speed ~700MB/s).
They all support NVMe SSDs at full 4x lanes PCIe 2.0 speed (~1.4GB/s) with no size limit.

The 2015 15" MacBook Pro originally shipped with 4x lanes PCIe 2.0 AHCI SSUBX SSD (speed ~1.4GB/s).
The 2016-2017 13", 2Thunderbolt (no touchbar) MacBook Pro originally shipped with a proprietary NVMe SSD.
They all support NVMe SSDs at full 4x lanes PCIe 3.0 speed (~2.8GB/s) with no size limit.

1-c 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pro 13" and 15"

The following MacBook Pro Retina support M.2 2230 or 2242 NVMe SSD with an adapter :
  • A1708 - MacBook Pro 13", 2016, Two Thunderbolt 3 Ports (MacBookPro13,1)
  • A1708 - MacBook Pro 13", 2017, Two Thunderbolt 3 Ports (MacBookPro14,1)
The A1707 MacBook Pro 15" (2016, 2017) and A1708 MacBook Pro 13" (2016, 2017) have soldered SSD and don't support any SSD upgrades. A solution is available from a third party, but this is outside the scope of this thread.


2 - Why upgrading to M.2 NVMe ?


Before 2017, the only possible replacement of upgrades for 2013-2017 MacBook Airs and Pros were only AHCI :

1 - AHCI SSDs with Apple connector (used Apple SSUAx and SSUBX drives, 1st gen OWC Aura, Transcend JetDrive 820)​
2 - AHCI M.2 SSDs using a M.2 adapter (Samsung 941 or Samsung 950 AHCI SSD)​
But in 2017, macOS 10.13 (High Sierra) came out and it was discovered that it not only supported any tiers NVMe SSD but it also brought BootRom upgrades which enabled booting from NVMe SSD. We god 2 new way :

3 - NVMe drives with Apple connector (Apple "Polaris" NVMe SSDs from 2017 5k iMacs, OWC Aura Pro X, X2 and Aura N2, Transcend JetDrive 850/855)​
4 - NVMe M.2 SSDs using a M.2 adapter
M.2 NVMe SSD from the PC market are much more easy and cheap to buy, and a lot are manufactured with high quality NANDs and controllers from reliable manufacturers : Crucial/Micron, Hynix, Kioxia, Sandisk, Samsung, WD/Sandisk
They are clearly one of the best solution to upgrade storage of 2013-2017 MacBook airs and Pros.

3 - OS and Firmware support​


To get full NVMe support you need:
  • support at the BootRom (firmware) level.
  • support at the OS level.
3.1 Support at the BootRom (firmware) level

Support at the BootRom (firmware) is mandatory.
All MacBooks 2013-2017 originally shipped with BootRom incompatible with NVMe drives.
But it your Mac has already been running macOS BigSur or Monterey with an original Apple SSD,
then its BootRom has already been updated and is compatible with NVMe drives.

You can check if your firmware is up to date using SilentKnight.
Be sure to upgrade your BootRom to the latest version before installing the NVMe drive.
If you are planning to install a NVMe SSD but are stuck with an outdated BootRom and you no longer have access to a working Apple AHCI SSD, then you can still try MacBRTool to update the BootRom

Version supporting NVMe Boot are :


Minimum BootRom version
for NVMe support​
Recommended BootRom version
for full NVMe support​
MacBookAir 2013 to 2014MBA61.0103.B00
478.0.0.0.0
MacBookAir 2015 to 2017MBA71.0171.B00
489.0.0.0.0
MacBookPro 13" 2013 to 2014MBP111.0142.Bxx
478.0.0.0.0
MacBookPro 13" 2015MBP121.0171.Bxx
489.0.0.0.0
MacBookPro 15" 2013-2014MBP112.0142.Bxx
478.0.0.0.0
MacBookPro 15" 2015MBP114.0177.Bxx
489.0.0.0.0

The minimum BootRom version offers NVMe Boot, but doesn't support wake-up from deep sleep on 2013-2014 models. So, always go to the latest recommended version.


3.2 Support at the OS level


You can boot natively from a NVMe drive with the following OS :
  1. Windows from Windows 8.1 and up.
  2. Linux from kernels 3.3 and up.
  3. macOS from 10.12 (for 4k formatted drives) and 10.13 (for 512b formatted drives)
Note that macOS does not natively support full NVMe energy savings on these NVMe drives.
To get full NVMe energy saving features on macOS, you need either :
OpenCore Legacy Patcher, among many other features (and ability to get latest macOS on legacy Mac), enables 3rd party NVMe drives PM by default.

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4 - Which NVMe SSDs are known to work?

Basically most, if not all NVMe SSDs are able to work, except a few ones with incompatible firmwares.
Always try to update NVMe SSD firmware to the latest before using.

The following models have been tested to work :
  • Adata NVMe SSD : SX6000, SX7000, SX8200, SX8200 Pro etc.
  • Corsair NVMe SSD : MP500, MP510
  • Crucial NVMe SSD : P1, P2, P3, P5, etc.
  • HP NVMe SSD : EX900, EX920, EX950
  • OCZ RD400
  • Intel NVMe SSD : 600p, 660p, 760p
  • Inland Premium (not Professional)
  • MyDigital NVMe SSDs : SBX - BPX
  • Kingston NVMe SSD : A1000, A2000, KC1000, etc.
  • Sabrent Rocket (Phison E12 and E16 based)
  • Samsung NVMe SSD : 960 Evo, 960 Pro, 970 Evo, 970 Pro, 970 Evo Plus (FW update needed), 980, 990
  • SK Hynix P31 Gold, P41 Platinum
  • Toshiba XG3, XG4, XG5, XG5p, XG6
  • Kioxia Exceria Plus G3
  • WD Black NVMe SSD v1, v2 and v3, WD Blue SN550 (FW Update mandatory), SN750, SN750 SE, SN580
NVMe SSD known not to work on MacBook Pro / Air
  • Samsung PM981
  • Samsung 950 Pro
Compatibility issues with these models are due to a SSD firmware issue.

All NVMe M.2 drives do work with TRIM enabled and supported natively, without any patch.


5 - M.2 to Apple "gumstick" adapters which DO work


Apple uses a proprietary "gumstick" 12+16 PCIe interface in its 2013-2017 MacBook Airs and Pro computers
On those computers, to install a M.2 NVMe drive you simply need a "M.2 to 12+16" adapter.

There are a lot of different adapters on the market, and a lot of problems went from bad wiring or bad insulation.
User @gilles_polysoft was the first to identify the need of proper isolation with kapton tape
User @rusgolder was the first to correctly identify the wiring problem with some adapters
User @gilles_polysoft confirmed the wiring differences

Since 2018 there is absolutely no doubt left : Sintech adapters are the way to go
They do provide the M.2 adapters that have proper wiring and they have correct kapton isolation
They cost 7.5$ (4$ when bought in quantities) at their website :
http://eshop.sintech.cn/ngff-m2-pcie-ssd-card-as-2013-2014-2015-macbook-ssd-p-1139.html

If you have a valid link for a valid NVMe adapter which has has proper wiring please feel free to indicate it here.

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If for any reason you have an old Sintech adapter made in 2017, you have to add some tape insulation like in the following photo :








6 - Hibernation issues on 2013-2014 laptops

Before macOS Big Sur 11.0.1, the Apple-supplied BootRom didn't have a full NVMe DXE driver for 2013-2014 models.
The consequence was that “deep sleep” (hibernation) always caused kernel panics on waking from deep sleep.
Two workaround were :
  1. to disable deep sleep with command
    Code:
    sudo pmset hibernate mode 0
  2. to modify firmware by adding the full NVMe DXE driver

Those workaround are now obsolete, because starting with macOS Big Sur 11.0.1, Apple has released BootRoms for system firmware for 2013-2014 MacBook Pro and MacBook Air models that allows hibernation.


7 - Troubleshooting steps for kernel panics, crashes or instability
A small number of members have reported issues around stability and kernel panics after upgrading to an aftermarket SSD.
These issues are quite rare, so don't panic! We have a 3 step plan.

If you are experiencing crashes or kernel panics especially around sleep/wake, try the following steps:
  1. Make sure the machine's boot ROM is the latest version​
  2. Make sure the machine's boot ROM is the latest version.​
  3. Make sure the machine's boot ROM is the latest version​
See chapter 3 here.

You may also try :
  1. Install the latest firmware for your SSD, if there is one. Some SSD update utils install firmware using Windows so use a PC or BootCamp. Some SSD updater utils blank the drive, so make a backup of the drive.​
  2. Clean the contacts of the SSD, motherboard and the sintech adapter using isopropyl alcohol and a qtip/cotton bud.​
  3. Ensure the adapter and SSD are fully seated and centred. Even a slight skew or unseated drive can cause crashes and reboot issues.​
  4. Ensure there is no corrosion on the contacts of the SSD, sintech adaptor or motherboard. Oxidized contacts can simply be cleaned with a white eraser and wiped with isopropyl alcohol.​
  5. Track the temperature of your SSD using a utility like istat menu. Normal temps vary from drive to drive and work load but e.g. for the Rocket it should be 0c-35c. If temperature gets higher than say ~50c for a sustained time you may need to mitigate the heat by setting the fans to alway on in istat menu, or using a heatsink, copper shims or thermal pads.​
  6. Post your sleep settings "pmset -g" and most recent kernel .panic file from /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports. Use pastebin.com and share a link on this thread.​
  7. Try the Kexts (SSDPMEnabler.kext and/or NVMEfix.kext, or install OpenCore Legacy Patcher)​
  8. Try a different aftermarket SSD and/or adapter
When posting for help or if you have a sucess story to share, use the following format (mostly info from "About This Mac"/"System Report") : i.e

  • MacOS version: Mojave 10.14.6 (18G7016)
  • Mac: MacBookAir7,2
  • Processor: Intel Core i5 1.6 GHz
  • Boot ROM Version: 426.0.0.0.0
  • SSD: Sabrent Rocket 1TB (firmware version: ECFM12.3) + Sintec short adapter
  • link to pmset -g output on pastebin.com
  • link to .panic file(s) on pastebin.com
  • SSD speeds in BlackMagic benchmark screenshot
  • SSD temperatures from istat menu screenshot
  • Any steps you have tried already

8 - BootCamp installation issues

During installation of Windows 10 via BootCamp, a blue screen may occur.
This was resolved by user ohnggni in post #1685, thanks to him.

Here are the two recommendations to Install BootComp with success on a MacBook Air / Pro with a NVMe SSD :
  • leave the MagSafe charger plugged in during the whole installation process (don't run on battery)
  • When you see the error pop-up, "The Computer restarted unexpectedly....", please do the following :
1. Press Shift + F10 keys.​
2. Launch "regedit".​
3. Find this directory, "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\Status\ChildCompletion"​
4. Once you can see "setup.exe" in the right section, double-click it and modify the value to 3.​
5. Close the regedit.​
6. Reboot​
A video of the process is available here (zh-CN).​
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How to fix various other issues that may occur with Boot Camp Assistant:​
- Disable File Vault (will take a few hours / overnight to fully decrypt your drive)​
- Turn off Time Machine and un-associate any Time Machine drives​
- Purge local Time Machine snapshots:​
Terminal> "tmutil thinlocalsnapshots / 9999999999999999"

- Repair partitioning:

Terminal> "diskutil repairDisk disk0"
It will say "Repairing the partition map might erase disk0s1, proceed? (y/N)"
Press "y"

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If you get "An error occurred while partitioning the disk" in Mojave Boot Camp Assistant, this is a problem with disk overallocation. To fix:
  1. Shut down your Mac.
  2. Start and hold Cmd-S to boot into single user mode.
  3. Type: "fsck_apfs -oy /dev/disk0s2"
  4. It will ask you to confirm, type in y and press Enter.
  5. When finished (up to 3 minutes) type reboot and press Enter.
(Technically, /dev/disk0s2 may not be the correct disk, but OSX will run fsck_apfs on all internal drives anyway.)

If there was a problem with overallocation, you may see this line in the output: "Overallocation detected on Main device" And then another line may appear: "Fix overallocation"

Tip from: https://apple.stackexchange.com/que...rtition-w-boot-camp-assistant-on-macos-mojave

9 - Swap before returning to Apple Store

Some users have reported that Apple Stores have refused to perform a battery swap on MacBooks equipped with an upgraded NVMe SSD, and that it was necessary to reinstall the original Apple SSD before obtaining service.

Apple no longer offers service on MacBook Pros and MacBook Air from 2013 to 2017, so this issue no longer matters.


10 - Comparison of tested NVME SSD models

Here you can find Excel charts which try to give you comparison of tested models - Speed - Power consumption - NAND types (MLC, TLC, QLC).
Those charts haven't been upgraded since 2020 and won't be upgraded anymore.

You can use them as an old reference, but as of today (2024), there is no bad SSD, but if you ask, the consensus is that the Hynix P31 Gold NVMe SSD could be your best choice.

Average power Consumption (= battery life) chart

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Power Efficiency chart

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Performance by Price chart :

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Charts are courtesy of @gilles_polysoft


 

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iMBP15

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@maxthackray I would just upgrade the 2011 mbp to a regular samsung pro ssd you'll gain a noticeable performance boost and continue using that along with a hackintosh build for the house but as for the 2012-2016 macbook I believe they already come with Nvme/ssaux ssd that are capable of 1200mb/s so only thing you can upgrade on them is the capacity.
 

MichaelDT

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Check with the hackintosh community, they have hacked/made kernel extensions to handle this on the macOS side. Your obstacle is likely EFI support, i.e. will it recognize it as a boot drive to even load the kernel. A way around this might be to have a small flash drive with the clover boot loader on it plugged in at boot. Select the flash drive to boot off. Then use clover to load macOS on the NVMe SSD.

No guarantee, but that is what I'd try if the EFI doesn't see the NVMe drive.
 

maxthackray

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@maxthackray I would just upgrade the 2011 mbp to a regular samsung pro ssd you'll gain a noticeable performance boost and continue using that along with a hackintosh build for the house but as for the 2012-2016 macbook I believe they already come with Nvme/ssaux ssd that are capable of 1200mb/s so only thing you can upgrade on them is the capacity.

Hey, thanks for the reply. The reason I want a retina one is just for portability. So you reckon that the 2012 onwards models will accept a NVMe ssd? I just wasn't sure if the 2013 model would recognise it as NVMe appears to have only been introduced in the 2016 version but I don't know if thats a software update or whether theres a hardware change. I don't want to get a NVMe drive to find out that I'm still only getting 550MB/s if there's a bottle neck caused by AHCI
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Check with the hackintosh community, they have hacked/made kernel extensions to handle this on the macOS side. Your obstacle is likely EFI support, i.e. will it recognize it as a boot drive to even load the kernel. A way around this might be to have a small flash drive with the clover boot loader on it plugged in at boot. Select the flash drive to boot off. Then use clover to load macOS on the NVMe SSD.

No guarantee, but that is what I'd try if the EFI doesn't see the NVMe drive.

Hi. It did seem like I would have to approach it using clover but I would be happy to do that. Presumably once Ive used clover, I would be able to boot from the NVMe drive afterwards?
 

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How much extra storage do you need? And how fast does it need to be. If you can get by with slower storage you can insert a Jet Drive into the SD slot of the 2013/2014 MBPro and be done.
 

maxthackray

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How much extra storage do you need? And how fast does it need to be. If you can get by with slower storage you can insert a Jet Drive into the SD slot of the 2013/2014 MBPro and be done.
Ideally around 1TB. And the reason I started this thread is because I want to know if I can use the NVMe speeds. If it does, then I'll spend the extra money to get the extra speed but I don't want to spend the extra money if the Macbook won't be able to make use of NVMe speeds. See where I'm coming from?
 

jerryk

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Ideally around 1TB. And the reason I started this thread is because I want to know if I can use the NVMe speeds. If it does, then I'll spend the extra money to get the extra speed but I don't want to spend the extra money if the Macbook won't be able to make use of NVMe speeds. See where I'm coming from?

OK.

Not sure you would ever get current NVMe speeds anyway.

I had the same issue with my deskside system and had to replace mother boards to get one where the controller had enough channels to fully utilize the performance of my Samsung 960 Pro. But with that said, 3.5 GB/sec is fast, real fast.

Best of luck on your performance search.
 
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maxthackray

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OK.

Not sure you would ever get current NVMe speeds anyway.

I had the same issue with my deskside system and had to replace mother boards to get one where the controller had enough channels to fully utilize the performance of my Samsung 960 Pro. But with that said, 3.5 GB/sec is fast, real fast.

Best of luck on your performance search.

Ok so you reckon that it would accept it as a boot drive if I used clover but wouldn't see any speed difference on a NVMe drive in a 2013 model compared to the stock SSD?

Out of interest, how many PCIe channels do you need to get NVMe speeds optimised? Wiki has info on the SSD interface with version and channels etc
 

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Ok so you reckon that it would accept it as a boot drive if I used clover but wouldn't see any speed difference on a NVMe drive in a 2013 model compared to the stock SSD?

Out of interest, how many PCIe channels do you need to get NVMe speeds optimised? Wiki has info on the SSD interface with version and channels etc

I am not sure how to calculate channels. I needed a PCI-Express 3.0 X 4 M.2 slot
 

robertdmunn

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Hi,

I know that it's possible to use an M.2 SSD with an adapter to increase the storage, but will a 2013/2014 MBP support an NVMe SSD and make use of the increased read/write that NVMe offers?

I'm interested in this same kind of upgrade as I have 3 machines like this. The best indication of how you can upgrade, and what is possible, I found in this post:

https://blog.macsales.com/25878-owc-gets-1200mbs-from-ssd-in-2014-macbook-pro-with-retina-display

The short story is that they put a 2013 Mac Pro SSD in a 2013 MB Pro and increased throughput from ~750Mbps to ~1200Mbps. The difference is that the Mac Pro SSD uses a x4 PCIe connection v. x2 PCIe connection used by the stock drive. I believe that it has a PCIe 2.0 interface, which I inferred from this system architecture diagram of the Mac Pro 2013:

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/mac/MacPro2013/MPsystemarch_south.png

I can't believe that Apple would put a faster interface in the 2013 MB Pro than the Mac Pro of the same year, so I conclude that the MB Pro has a x4 PCIe 2.0 interface with a maximum theoretical bandwidth of 2GBps, per the PCIe spec:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

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Update:

Earlier in this post I suggested that you should be able to buy any PCIe 2.0/3.0 SSD, used with an adapter, and get close to 2 GBps speeds. That seems to not be the case, as the MB Pro chipset only supports certain SSDs. Make sure the SSD you buy is supported by the adapter vendor.
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A seemingly easy alternative, if you are willing to "settle" for 1200Mbps, is to acquire a Mac Pro SSD that supports x4 PCIe from at least 2013. Make sure to check the bandwidth. OWC recognizes the value of those 2013 Mac Pro SSDs, just look at this page for a 2013 Mac Pro SSD upgrade:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other World Computing/SSDA13MP1.0/

And this note:
  • Re-purpose the factory-installed SSD as a blazing fast portable drive
So you can definitely use one of these original drives. Note that the "upgrade" drive seems to be 2x and only matches the MB Pro speed, so you need the original 2013 Mac Pro drive or an 4x replacement.

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Update:

I don't know if this particular adapter (below) is what is needed. It looks like there are a variety of adapters for different models, best to check with the sellers.
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A good alternative is to get an adapter for the Apple SSD interface and get a standard (non-Apple) NVMe SSD:

http://www.microsatacables.com/2013-macbook-28-pin-ssd-to-m2-ngff-pcie-4x-adapter-apl-m2-896

which should then allow you to use any 4x PCIe 2.0 SSD. I wonder if you use something like this:

https://smile.amazon.com/Samsung-960-PRO-Internal-MZ-V6P512BW/dp/B01LXS4TYB/

if you could get close to the ceiling with it, because its PCIe interface would be bound by the internal PCIe 2.0 interface speed. That's both a pretty cheap upgrade and potentially the fastest solution.


Update:
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I found this product on Amazon, looks like a very good solution, new part and clocks in ~1500Mbps read:

https://www.amazon.com/Apple-2013-2016-Storage-MZ-KPV1T00-655-1860/dp/B01MXOLY8E/

and this part:

https://www.amazon.com/768GB-Solid-MacBook-Retina-Late-2013/dp/B01N6HBYSC/

I think if you look around enough you can find a 4x part in the size you want for the money you want to pay.

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The other alternative is to get an external Thunderbolt 2 NVMe SSD. There is this 256 GB model:

https://secure1.sonnettech.com/product_info.php?products_id=550

which is $499 and gives you ~1350Mbps read speed. You just reinstall the OS to that drive and run. It's inconvenient to need an external SSD, but it will work- and you don't have to open the case on your MB Pro.

Thunderbolt 2 supports aggregated bandwidth of 20Gbps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)

meaning you can get up to 2GBps theoretical maximum bandwidth.

The only remaining question is just how fast could you go. i think you could get close to the 2GBps ceiling with something like this:

https://smile.amazon.com/Akitio-Thunder3-Pcie-SSD-750Series/dp/B01FGNW0B2/

You'll need an adapter to go from Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 ( Apple sells one )

This company, Akitio, sells Thunderbolt PCie enclosures without drives, so you could get a smaller drive and save some money while still getting close to 2GBps.


HTH
 
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maxthackray

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I'm interested in this same kind of upgrade as I have 3 machines like this. The best indication of how you can upgrade, and what is possible, I found in this post:

https://blog.macsales.com/25878-owc-gets-1200mbs-from-ssd-in-2014-macbook-pro-with-retina-display

The short story is that they put a 2013 Mac Pro SSD in a 2013 MB Pro and increased throughput from ~750Mbps to ~1200Mbps. The difference is that the Mac Pro SSD uses a x4 PCIe connection v. x2 PCIe connection used by the stock drive. I believe that it has a PCIe 2.0 interface, which I inferred from this system architecture diagram of the Mac Pro 2013:

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/mac/MacPro2013/MPsystemarch_south.png

I can't believe that Apple would put a faster interface in the 2013 MB Pro than the Mac Pro of the same year, so I conclude that the MB Pro has a x4 PCIe 2.0 interface with a maximum theoretical bandwidth of 2GBps, per the PCIe spec:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

That means you should be able to put any x4 PCIe drive that fits the Apple interface ( and I believe there is an adapter floating around somewhere ) and get near 2GBps if the drive supports it.

A seemingly easy alternative, if you are willing to "settle" for 1200Mbps, is to acquire a Mac Pro SSD that supports x4 PCIe from at least 2013. Make sure to check the bandwidth. OWC recognizes the value of those 2013 Mac Pro SSDs, just look at this page for a 2013 Mac Pro SSD upgrade:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other World Computing/SSDA13MP1.0/

And this note:
  • Re-purpose the factory-installed SSD as a blazing fast portable drive
So you can definitely use one of these original drives. Note that the "upgrade" drive seems to be 2x and only matches the MB Pro speed, so you need the original 2013 Mac Pro drive or an 4x replacement.

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Update:

I don't know if this particular adapter (below) is what is needed. It looks like there are a variety of adapters for different models, best to check with the sellers.
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A good alternative is to get an adapter for the Apple SSD interface and get a standard (non-Apple) NVMe SSD:

http://www.microsatacables.com/2013-macbook-28-pin-ssd-to-m2-ngff-pcie-4x-adapter-apl-m2-896

which should then allow you to use any 4x PCIe 2.0 SSD. I wonder if you use something like this:

https://smile.amazon.com/Samsung-960-PRO-Internal-MZ-V6P512BW/dp/B01LXS4TYB/

if you could get close to the ceiling with it, because its PCIe interface would be bound by the internal PCIe 2.0 interface speed. That's both a pretty cheap upgrade and potentially the fastest solution.


Update:
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I found this product on Amazon, looks like a very good solution, new part and clocks in ~1500Mbps read:

https://www.amazon.com/Apple-2013-2016-Storage-MZ-KPV1T00-655-1860/dp/B01MXOLY8E/

and this part:

https://www.amazon.com/768GB-Solid-MacBook-Retina-Late-2013/dp/B01N6HBYSC/

I think if you look around enough you can find a 4x part in the size you want for the money you want to pay.

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The other alternative is to get an external Thunderbolt 2 NVMe SSD. There is this 256 GB model:

https://secure1.sonnettech.com/product_info.php?products_id=550

which is $499 and gives you ~1350Mbps read speed. You just reinstall the OS to that drive and run. It's inconvenient to need an external SSD, but it will work- and you don't have to open the case on your MB Pro.

Thunderbolt 2 supports aggregated bandwidth of 20Gbps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)

meaning you can get up to 2GBps theoretical maximum bandwidth.

The only remaining question is just how fast could you go. i think you could get close to the 2GBps ceiling with something like this:

https://smile.amazon.com/Akitio-Thunder3-Pcie-SSD-750Series/dp/B01FGNW0B2/

You'll need an adapter to go from Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 ( Apple sells one )

This company, Akitio, sells Thunderbolt PCie enclosures without drives, so you could get a smaller drive and save some money while still getting close to 2GBps.


HTH

Hi there,

Thank you for a very informative and lengthy reply. This has cleared a lot up for me and it seems that an NVMe drive would not only work in a 2013/14 MBP but also nearly hit the ceiling of the drive's capabilities.

I have one question though: for a drive such as the Samsung 960, does it matter that the drive says PCIe 3.0 but the MacBook Pro only uses PCIe 2.0? I am unsure what the difference is and whether that would effect the performance. Either way, I would be happy with 1000MBps+ so even if this does affect the transfer speeds, would I still get that level of performance?

Thanks
 

robertdmunn

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Hi there,

I have one question though: for a drive such as the Samsung 960, does it matter that the drive says PCIe 3.0 but the MacBook Pro only uses PCIe 2.0? I am unsure what the difference is and whether that would effect the performance. Either way, I would be happy with 1000MBps+ so even if this does affect the transfer speeds, would I still get that level of performance?

Thanks

The good news is that you can definitely get at least 1400Mbps performance with the right drive, that was confirmed by OWC. The bad news is that it looks like you can't use just any SSD after all, because Apple's chipset only supports certain SSD models.

The Samsung 960 PRO Series isn't going to work because it isn't supported by the MB Pro internal chipset. After a little more digging this morning, I am seeing mixed information depending on the specific model of MB Pro. The Late 2013 model looks like the best option for use with an adapter like this one:

https://www.amazon.com/NGFF-PCIe-Card-2013-MacBook/dp/B01ENG9QVA/

It only supports certain models of SSD that are already supported by the MB Pro hardware. The best one I see in the product details is the Samsung SM951 MZHPV512HDGL, 512GB SSD with 2150 Mbps read speed, which is $450:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017GCK4LY/

and the 256 GB variety, which is $305:

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-SM951-MZHPV256HDGL-256GB-Internal/dp/B00VELDBJ6/

Note that the internal bus speed of the late 2013 MB Pro is only 2 GBps, so actual performance will be something less than the drive's max speed. I have a question pending on the product page about performance specs with this particular SSD.

The big difference here is going to be cost. The MZHPV512HDGL is $450 v. ~$360 for the Samsung 960 PRO that doesn't work with the Apple hardware. Such is life buying replacement parts for an Apple product.

Note that the Kinston model:

https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-HyperX-Predator-SHPM2280P2-240G/dp/B00V01C5O2/

in the 240 GB variant is $179 and supports ~1400 Mbps reads.

in the 480 GB variant is $329 and supports ~1400 Mbps reads.

I'm going to wait for the adapter vendor to reply about specs, but I think it's safe to say the Samsung 951 is going to be faster than the Kingston model. Is it worth an extra $120 for a 25% bump in SSD performance? It is for me if the speed is confirmed. I have one late 2013 model, so that's probably the route I will go with that machine.

For the mid-2014 model, I found an interesting tidbit on this page:

https://www.amazon.com/Apple-2013-2016-Storage-MZ-KPV1T00-655-1860/dp/B01MXOLY8E/

which is the 1 TB SSD with ~1500Mbps reads for $899. I don't need a 1 TB SSD, and I don't want to pay $899 for it, but this drive says that it supports the late 2013, mid 2014, and mid 2015 MB Pro, which means they are using the same PCIe interface.

Does that means the adapter from above will work on the mid 2014 model as well? I don't know, but since I am ordering one already I might just try putting it in the 2014 model to see if it boots. If I go that route and it works I will post an update to this thread with my results.
 

maxthackray

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The good news is that you can definitely get at least 1400Mbps performance with the right drive, that was confirmed by OWC. The bad news is that it looks like you can't use just any SSD after all, because Apple's chipset only supports certain SSD models.

The Samsung 960 PRO Series isn't going to work because it isn't supported by the MB Pro internal chipset. After a little more digging this morning, I am seeing mixed information depending on the specific model of MB Pro. The Late 2013 model looks like the best option for use with an adapter like this one:

https://www.amazon.com/NGFF-PCIe-Card-2013-MacBook/dp/B01ENG9QVA/

It only supports certain models of SSD that are already supported by the MB Pro hardware. The best one I see in the product details is the Samsung SM951 MZHPV512HDGL, 512GB SSD with 2150 Mbps read speed, which is $450:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017GCK4LY/

and the 256 GB variety, which is $305:

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-SM951-MZHPV256HDGL-256GB-Internal/dp/B00VELDBJ6/

Note that the internal bus speed of the late 2013 MB Pro is only 2 GBps, so actual performance will be something less than the drive's max speed. I have a question pending on the product page about performance specs with this particular SSD.

The big difference here is going to be cost. The MZHPV512HDGL is $450 v. ~$360 for the Samsung 960 PRO that doesn't work with the Apple hardware. Such is life buying replacement parts for an Apple product.

Note that the Kinston model:

https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-HyperX-Predator-SHPM2280P2-240G/dp/B00V01C5O2/

in the 240 GB variant is $179 and supports ~1400 Mbps reads.

in the 480 GB variant is $329 and supports ~1400 Mbps reads.

I'm going to wait for the adapter vendor to reply about specs, but I think it's safe to say the Samsung 951 is going to be faster than the Kingston model. Is it worth an extra $120 for a 25% bump in SSD performance? It is for me if the speed is confirmed. I have one late 2013 model, so that's probably the route I will go with that machine.

For the mid-2014 model, I found an interesting tidbit on this page:

https://www.amazon.com/Apple-2013-2016-Storage-MZ-KPV1T00-655-1860/dp/B01MXOLY8E/

which is the 1 TB SSD with ~1500Mbps reads for $899. I don't need a 1 TB SSD, and I don't want to pay $899 for it, but this drive says that it supports the late 2013, mid 2014, and mid 2015 MB Pro, which means they are using the same PCIe interface.

Does that means the adapter from above will work on the mid 2014 model as well? I don't know, but since I am ordering one already I might just try putting it in the 2014 model to see if it boots. If I go that route and it works I will post an update to this thread with my results.

Hi again,

Do you know if there is a list of SSD's that the Macbook chipset supports? If not, what spec should I be looking for to ensure that it will work. Been doing some research and the SSD I'm most interested in is the Intel 600p in either 512GB or 1TB. Great value and the speeds are fast enough for me.

Please do let me know when you hear back from the adapter vendor!

Thanks again for all your help!
 

robertdmunn

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Mar 4, 2017
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Hi again,

Do you know if there is a list of SSD's that the Macbook chipset supports? If not, what spec should I be looking for to ensure that it will work. Been doing some research and the SSD I'm most interested in is the Intel 600p in either 512GB or 1TB. Great value and the speeds are fast enough for me.

Please do let me know when you hear back from the adapter vendor!

Thanks again for all your help!

The Intel 600p was released last year, so I don't think there is any way that the 2013/14 MB Pro supports it, sorry. With the adapters, you should only buy an SSD that the vendor specifically says will work, because they have done the homework when building the adapter.

Without the adapter, you are stuck buying only SSDs that conform to the Apple PCIe port spec. As I said earlier, the reality of shopping for Mac replacement parts is that you are going to pay more than buying comparable parts for a PC. That's just how it is.

That said, the 240 GB Kingston model from my earlier post is nearly as fast on reads and faster on writes than the Intel 600p. If you need more space for files, you can get an external 4 TB USB 3.0 HDD for $119 on Amazon:

https://smile.amazon.com/Seagate-Backup-Portable-External-STDR4000100/dp/B00HXAV0X6/

or a 500 GB USB 3.0 SSD for $169:

https://smile.amazon.com/Samsung-T3-Portable-SSD-MU-PT500B/dp/B01AVF6UQQ/

Speeds are nowhere near the internal port speed, but do you need 1500 Mbps read speeds for everything? Sure it's a PITA copying big files, but if you are constrained by your budget, that's the best option.

It seems like a bit of a Catch-22 upgrading the SSD, doesn't it? Why pay $899 for the 1 TB drive I linked to when, for a little bit more money, you can buy a slightly dinged Asus Zenbook Pro 15" with a 512 GB SSD (1500Mbps), 16 GB RAM, etc...:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01CQRNBJG

Of course the CPU on my mid-2014 MB Pro - I7-4770HQ @ 2.2GHz:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-4770HQ+@+2.20GHz&id=2399

is faster than the CPU on that Zenbook - i7-6700HQ @ 2.60GHz

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-6700HQ+@+2.60GHz

which is both pretty impressive and a good reason to pay a little extra for the upgraded SSD. Make no mistake, MacBook Pros retain their value for good reason.
 
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maxthackray

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The Intel 600p was released last year, so I don't think there is any way that the 2013/14 MB Pro supports it, sorry. With the adapters, you should only buy an SSD that the vendor specifically says will work, because they have done the homework when building the adapter.

Without the adapter, you are stuck buying only SSDs that conform to the Apple PCIe port spec. As I said earlier, the reality of shopping for Mac replacement parts is that you are going to pay more than buying comparable parts for a PC. That's just how it is.

That said, the 240 GB Kingston model from my earlier post is nearly as fast on reads and faster on writes than the Intel 600p. If you need more space for files, you can get an external 4 TB USB 3.0 HDD for $119 on Amazon:

https://smile.amazon.com/Seagate-Backup-Portable-External-STDR4000100/dp/B00HXAV0X6/

or a 500 GB USB 3.0 SSD for $169:

https://smile.amazon.com/Samsung-T3-Portable-SSD-MU-PT500B/dp/B01AVF6UQQ/

Speeds are nowhere near the internal port speed, but do you need 1500 Mbps read speeds for everything? Sure it's a PITA copying big files, but if you are constrained by your budget, that's the best option.

It seems like a bit of a Catch-22 upgrading the SSD, doesn't it? Why pay $899 for the 1 TB drive I linked to when, for a little bit more money, you can buy a slightly dinged Asus Zenbook Pro 15" with a 512 GB SSD (1500Mbps), 16 GB RAM, etc...:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01CQRNBJG

Of course the CPU on my mid-2014 MB Pro - I7-4770HQ @ 2.2GHz:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-4770HQ+@+2.20GHz&id=2399

is faster than the CPU on that Zenbook - i7-6700HQ @ 2.60GHz

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-6700HQ+@+2.60GHz

which is both pretty impressive and a good reason to pay a little extra for the upgraded SSD. Make no mistake, MacBook Pros retain their value for good reason.

Any idea what's stopping the chipset supporting the Intel 600p?
Also, why is that the adapter only works with some SSD's? Surely the premise is the same regardless of the drive?
 

robertdmunn

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Mar 4, 2017
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Any idea what's stopping the chipset supporting the Intel 600p?
Also, why is that the adapter only works with some SSD's? Surely the premise is the same regardless of the drive?

Firmware. Yes, the premise is the same, but each drive requires its own firmware. Apple apparently only supports a small subset of SSDs on the market.

What seems clear from the adapter vendor's listing on Amazon is that they have tested certain drives and confirm that some drives simply do not work. Here is a bit of explanation about an SSD function called Trim that may be part of the problem:

https://larryjordan.com/articles/caution-ssd-drives-and-yosemite/

but I can't guarantee that you could get a third-party trim solution working and therefore be able to use just any SSD. I would give it a shot for kicks if someone sent me the parts, but I don't think it's a good idea to spend money on parts that are most likely not going to work.
 

Earl Urley

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Does anyone know if a M.2 SSD with a Phison 5007-E7 controller would be compatible with the previously described M.2 NGFF adapter? The specs for the controller claim AHCI 1.3 compatibility, which is what I believe is needed both for compatibility and bootability.

The specs also claim MacOS X support but with no further details..
 

liudayu

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The Intel 600p was released last year, so I don't think there is any way that the 2013/14 MB Pro supports it, sorry. With the adapters, you should only buy an SSD that the vendor specifically says will work, because they have done the homework when building the adapter.

Without the adapter, you are stuck buying only SSDs that conform to the Apple PCIe port spec. As I said earlier, the reality of shopping for Mac replacement parts is that you are going to pay more than buying comparable parts for a PC. That's just how it is.

That said, the 240 GB Kingston model from my earlier post is nearly as fast on reads and faster on writes than the Intel 600p. If you need more space for files, you can get an external 4 TB USB 3.0 HDD for $119 on Amazon:

https://smile.amazon.com/Seagate-Backup-Portable-External-STDR4000100/dp/B00HXAV0X6/

or a 500 GB USB 3.0 SSD for $169:

https://smile.amazon.com/Samsung-T3-Portable-SSD-MU-PT500B/dp/B01AVF6UQQ/

Speeds are nowhere near the internal port speed, but do you need 1500 Mbps read speeds for everything? Sure it's a PITA copying big files, but if you are constrained by your budget, that's the best option.

It seems like a bit of a Catch-22 upgrading the SSD, doesn't it? Why pay $899 for the 1 TB drive I linked to when, for a little bit more money, you can buy a slightly dinged Asus Zenbook Pro 15" with a 512 GB SSD (1500Mbps), 16 GB RAM, etc...:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01CQRNBJG

Of course the CPU on my mid-2014 MB Pro - I7-4770HQ @ 2.2GHz:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-4770HQ+@+2.20GHz&id=2399

is faster than the CPU on that Zenbook - i7-6700HQ @ 2.60GHz

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-6700HQ+@+2.60GHz

which is both pretty impressive and a good reason to pay a little extra for the upgraded SSD. Make no mistake, MacBook Pros retain their value for good reason.



Hi mate, I have a 2014 Macbook Pro with Retina display model (same as you) and I'm looking for upgrading my storage as well. As I'm aware of that 2014 Model of Macbook Pro shows it's PCIe x2 but I found that OWC link you posted earlier states this MacBook Pro can achieve the 1400MB/s speed, so I got a bit confused: Does this model (A1502) support PCIe x4 or it's limited to x2 (as shown in System Information.app)?
Also since you are upgrading your 2014 MBP's SSD as well, could you tell me which brand's SSDs are supported for this Mac? I'm currently looking for the upgrade to 512GB.
Thanks in advance!
 

gilles_polysoft

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Hi,

I am in the process of upgrading my mac setup. I am currently using a 2011 MBP 15 and am looking to buy a notebook and build myself a Hackintosh as my current MPB is too heavy to carry around and is outdated performance wise.

I have the specs I want for the desktop build and don't want to splash out on an expensive notebook so I am looking at 2013/2014 Macbook Pro.

I know that it's possible to use an M.2 SSD with an adapter to increase the storage, but will a 2013/2014 MBP support an NVMe SSD and make use of the increased read/write that NVMe offers?

Hello,

Good news : I have just found that NVMe SSD are compatible with MacBook Pro, iMac, MacBook Air and Mac mini from mid-2014 models up to 2017 iMac...
You need to use MacOs 10.13 High Sierra at least, because of the NVMe driver which doesn't recognize non-Apple NVMe SSD on lower OS (El Capitan or 10.12 Sierra).

Bad news : it doesn't work with 2013 Macs : Late 2013 Mac Pro, late 2013 MacBook Pro 13 and 15", and early 2014 MacBook air.

See the story there :
https://twitter.com/gillesaurejac/status/883382845628182528

The adapter can be bought here :
http://eshop.sintech.cn/ngff-m2-pcie-ssd-card-as-2013-2014-2015-macbook-ssd-p-1139.html
 

treekram

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I don't know what the French link is saying, but the sintech link says that it is compatible with the late 2013 MBP's.

But the big thing is that the compatible SSD's are AHCI, not NVMe. The Kingston SSD is a current model and maybe the better choice. The Samsung SSD's are OEM drives so the warranty comes from the seller, not from Samsung. I don't know if Samsung is still selling these or not. If one gets the Samsung, one should make sure to get the suggested model - the SM951, which has MLC, vs. the TLC model (PM951).
 
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gilles_polysoft

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I don't know what the French link is saying, but the sintech link says that it is compatible with the late 2013 MBP's.

But the big thing is that the compatible SSD's are AHCI, not NVMe.

Sorry... but did you read what I wrote ? I wrote that, despite what has been believed, in fact NVMe are compatible.

They are not compatible with late 2013 and early 2014 macs, but they are compatible with macs from mid-2014 and later.
I'm writing this post on a mid-2015 MacBook Pro retina 15" with a 2 TB NVMe "APPLE SSD SM2048L" which comes from a 2017 iMac. This SSD works with the Apple NVMe driver and I am still with El capitain (10.11.6).

As for "non-Apple" SSD, I tried a NVMe SM961 drive and it works, believe it or not... Only, it requieres MacOS High Sierra because it is not an Apple SSD drive, and the Apple NVMe driver didn't work with tiers SSD before 10.13 beta.
 

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liudayu

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Sorry... but did you read what I wrote ? I wrote that, despite what has been believed, in fact NVMe are compatible.

They are not compatible with late 2013 and early 2014 macs, but they are compatible with macs from mid-2014 and later.
I'm writing this post on a mid-2015 MacBook Pro retina 15" with a 2 TB NVMe "APPLE SSD SM2048L" which comes from a 2017 iMac. This SSD works with the Apple NVMe driver and I am still with El capitain (10.11.6).

As for "non-Apple" SSD, I tried a NVMe SM961 drive and it works, believe it or not... Only, it requieres MacOS High Sierra because it is not an Apple SSD drive, and the Apple NVMe driver didn't work with tiers SSD before 10.13 beta.

Hi, thank you so much for letting us know!! How kind of you!
Could you run a benchmark on the SM951 and check the S.M.A.R.T status use a software called "DriveDx" please?
 

jerryk

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Sorry... but did you read what I wrote ? I wrote that, despite what has been believed, in fact NVMe are compatible.

They are not compatible with late 2013 and early 2014 macs, but they are compatible with macs from mid-2014 and later.
I'm writing this post on a mid-2015 MacBook Pro retina 15" with a 2 TB NVMe "APPLE SSD SM2048L" which comes from a 2017 iMac. This SSD works with the Apple NVMe driver and I am still with El capitain (10.11.6).

As for "non-Apple" SSD, I tried a NVMe SM961 drive and it works, believe it or not... Only, it requieres MacOS High Sierra because it is not an Apple SSD drive, and the Apple NVMe driver didn't work with tiers SSD before 10.13 beta.

Do know if the lower costs Samsung 960 Evo and 960 Pro will work in a 2015 MBP with High Sierra. The SM961 is in short supply.

Also, any danger that the final version of High Sierra will be modified to only support the Apple branded units?
 
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