Upgrading Tiger Server to Leopard Server

[freddiel]

It is not only upgrades that don't work...

I recently installed a MacPro with Server 10.5 and three MACmini 10.5 at a client (upgrading from G3/G4 and 9.2....) All patched with latest updates both for OS and Quark 7.3 and Creative Suit CS3... It makes me cry to see how poorly this setup works even though it is brand new hardware and brand new software. File sharing issues especially when saving makes it pretty unusable working from the server. Apple direct was not helpful as they just stated that since it work with their plain text editor it was all OK. The Apple supplier suggests “to not work direct on the server, save locally and then drag back to server”. The client previous solution with a 10.3 Server and 9.2 on some crappy old G3/G4 worked like a dream... This upgrade to new software and hardware is a nightmare created by Apple and Software vendors totally ignoring the users....
I am considering re-installing with Server 10.4 or 10.3 (if the Hardware allows me). I have already tried to downgrade the MACmini to 10.4 but it will only accept 10.5
I have other client running the same setup but with 10.4 both on Server and Desktop and they have no issues. (Maybe I am just jinxed or crap…) I never though I would have to consider moving a Mac client to a Microsoft or Linux platform.
Any comments would be greatly appreciated (even just to state that I am silly and need to tick this box…)
I wish we could get the old Apple ANS 700 server back…. At least they just sat in the corner working their socks of… and looked great too..

 

[Sky Blue]

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[freddiel]

Downgrading new MAc's

Don't bet on being able to downgrdae new MAC's.
I just tried this with a pair of brand new MACmini running 10.5.
They will not downgrade to 10.4 using a Apple DVD. I don't know if it is possible to force an image onto the MACmini in targetmode or using a Utility.

 

[GavCam]

Don't bet on being able to downgrdae new MAC's.
I just tried this with a pair of brand new MACmini running 10.5.
They will not downgrade to 10.4 using a Apple DVD. I don't know if it is possible to force an image onto the MACmini in targetmode or using a Utility.

Yes this is correct. If the system ware is not Intel compliant, then it will just will not happen. Leopard is the only System from Apple that will work on both Power and Intel Macs.

My current plan is to run Leopard clients (we have new Macs on order and don't want to downgrade them to Tiger), upgrade our QXP 6.5s to 7.3s and keep running Panther Server.

From what I understand, QXP 7.3 will resolve the problem of Quark running on Leopard clients. As best I can tell, these clients running QXP 7.3 and Leopard will be able to save to my Panther server still.

Does this sound right to you?

I'm holding off upgrading the server to Leopard because (A) it just works, (B) the expense, and (C) I read so many accounts of people running Leopard server and reverting to Tiger Server due to problems still.

Thanks.
Kfetzer

Hi Kfetzer'
Yes QXP 7.3 will save to Panther servers, but check your POSIX permissions. I will be still runnung a Panther servers with AFP service and I'm alowing evryone access also a Suitcase and QLA Server on a Panther server. The QLA will need to be upgraded to Ver.4. (I'm not sure if thts will work, I'll have to see when I do it.) I'm only upgrading the Open Directory server. Getting the Leopard Client image right will be the the main work but I'm waiting for Apple to getting around to sending me a 30 user client licence. (What takes them so long, Microsoft will send you their MS Cals the next day. APPLE!!!)
Does this sound helpfull?

 

[freddiel]

OS Downgrade

These MACmini's are brand new, supplied with 10.5 but will not take 10.4 downgrade.

This is a block in the firmware of the MAC's and nothing to go with Intel or G4/5 processors.

This is a typical manufacturer forcing the end-user having to use their latest disaster. Not even Bill Gates does this, because they don't control hardware and software.

 

[kfetzer]

Yes this is correct. If the system ware is not Intel compliant, then it will just will not happen. Leopard is the only System from Apple that will work on both Power and Intel Macs.



Hi Kfetzer'
Yes QXP 7.3 will save to Panther servers, but check your POSIX permissions. I will be still runnung a Panther servers with AFP service and I'm alowing evryone access also a Suitcase and QLA Server on a Panther server. The QLA will need to be upgraded to Ver.4. (I'm not sure if thts will work, I'll have to see when I do it.) I'm only upgrading the Open Directory server. Getting the Leopard Client image right will be the the main work but I'm waiting for Apple to getting around to sending me a 30 user client licence. (What takes them so long, Microsoft will send you their MS Cals the next day. APPLE!!!)
Does this sound helpfull?

Yes it does. Should be getting the QXP 7.3 upgrades within a couple weeks. I basically just run the server for AFP, so hoping that can keep at Panther for a while.

Where do I check my POSIX permissions though? I'm familiar with setting privileges for a Share Point in the Workgroup Manager, but it sounds like there's a concern about QXP 7.3 saving files with unwanted permissions even on a Panther Server? What is the concern with POSIX permissions?

Thanks for the help.