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kenoh

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I use Cryptomator for the cloud. It creates an encrypted volume which you can put wherever you like. If it’s well encrypted with a secure password that only you know, then it doesn’t matter where it is kept, generally. Certainly for most threat models.

Those saying ‘they aren’t looking for you’ and ‘you’re just a voice in the crowd’ are massively missing the point. Mass surveillance, be it at a gov level, or a multinational advertising level, or a hacking risk level or any level you care to think about, all exists but is generally NOT the point. The point is to create a level of privacy that ensures that the information you wish to keep wherever you want, remains private. It doesn’t matter whether you or anyone else feels it’s worth knowing or not. It should be private.

OP- keeping it away from the internet is the most private. If you wish to be able to store it on a cloud somewhere, you need to ensure only you hold the keys to decrypt it. I suggest Cryptomator. Look in to it, it’s hugely useful open source and free and very easy to use.
This is the Atlantic causing a gap again I suspect. In the UK we generally tend not to be as hell bent on privacy (yet) as people in the US. So our primary focus - for good or bad - tends to be different to "I am entitled to privacy, end of". I mean when I see someone with encrypted files etc then my immediate thought is what are they hiding?

"It doesn’t matter whether you or anyone else feels it’s worth knowing or not. It should be private." - the accepted premise of security is a layered approach making it not worth the effort is the only way to be secure. Think burglar alarms - a deterrent, a burglar will skip that one and attack the house without the alarm. Not because the alarm is going to stop them, just there are more fish in the sea that are more readily reachable without the need to navigate an alarm. By using cryptomator on top of a segregated multi-tenant is layering. Also be wary, Open Source is great and all but remember the carnage caused when the vulnerability was found in OpenSSL - because of the proliferation of it it caused havoc.

Anyway, this belongs in another thread entirely.
 
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cupcakes2000

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This is the Atlantic causing a gap again I suspect. In the UK we generally tend not to be as hell bent on privacy (yet) as people in the US. So our primary focus - for good or bad - tends to be different to "I am entitled to privacy, end of". I mean when I see someone with encrypted files etc then my immediate thought is what are they hiding?

"It doesn’t matter whether you or anyone else feels it’s worth knowing or not. It should be private." - the accepted premise of security is a layered approach making it not worth the effort is the only way to be secure. Think burglar alarms - a deterrent, a burglar will skip that one and attack the house without the alarm. Not because the alarm is going to stop them, just there are more fish in the sea that are more readily reachable without the need to navigate an alarm. By using cryptomator on top of a segregated multi-tenant is layering. Also be wary, Open Source is great and all but remember the carnage caused when the vulnerability was found in OpenSSL - because of the proliferation of it it caused havoc.

Anyway, this belongs in another thread entirely.
I’m English.

You and I are talking about something different it seems. It clearly states in many cloud providers t&c’s that they can see your files but they ‘won’t look’. I couldn’t care less if you I or anyone else feels my stuff isn’t worth looking at or not. I don’t want people to be able to look at it.

I bet, no matter what country you’re from you, don’t go out without locking your front door. Or you don’t write the PIN number on your card. Or trust some email which asks for your details for a Nigerian Prince who wants to marry you. Or flap your bits out on the tube.

The point is is that whilst I might want to store some private files on Dropbox, wouldn’t it be prudent to lock them first?
 
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bunnspecial

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but it is better than picking up the pieces of a breach as @bunnspecial says above. The IT team at his work have a week of hell ahead of them. This is where cloud Sync vs cloud backup has a very different meaning.
At this point, I'm thinking a week is optimistic.

I'm just hopeful that they can retrieve my online gradebook since I'd not be shocked if I end up turning grades in on paper this fall...

(BTW, about a year back our chief information officer-since retired-brought a proposal to the board of trustees about bringing in one of several 2FA services, including Duo which at least over here is popular. The board wouldn't entertain it after seeing the price tag-I'd like to think they're regretting that now but instead I'm guessing that they're looking for how to cut and outsource the IT department...).
 

kenoh

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I’m English.

You and I are talking about something different it seems. It clearly states in many cloud providers t&c’s that they can see your files but they ‘won’t look’. I couldn’t care less if you I or anyone else feels my stuff isn’t worth looking at or not. I don’t want people to be able to look at it.

I bet, no matter what country you’re from you, don’t go out without locking your front door. Or you don’t write the PIN number on your card. Or trust some email which asks for your details for a Nigerian Prince who wants to marry you. Or flap your bits out on the tube.

The point is is that whilst I might want to store some private files on Dropbox, wouldn’t it be prudent to lock them first?
OK, I stand corrected regards privacy and we do seem to be talking about nuanced differences. You are talking about privacy as a right and an expectation, I am talking about tactical mechanics of protecting it within reasonable efforts.

I agree with your position. We all want privacy and what I choose to do on the tube is my own business ? lol... avoid it like the plague usually....
 
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cupcakes2000

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OK, I stand corrected regards privacy and we do seem to be talking about nuanced differences. You are talking about privacy as a right and an expectation, I am talking about tactical mechanics of protecting it within reasonable efforts.

I agree with your position. We all want privacy and what I choose to do on the tube is my own business ? lol... avoid it like the plague usually....
Yes I see the differences. And I agree - it’s not the same issue from that point of view for the U.K. or Europe in general actually.
 
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Steven-iphone

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All of my work is done on portable devices; Windows Surface / Android. Cloud storage is essential for me. Either an add on encryption like Boxcryptor, or a cloud storage with e2ee.
 
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