Viable 3rd mobile alternative - Blackberry 10 vs Windows Phone 8?

[G51989]

I know about BBM and BB's historical role in enterprise. All that hasn't been enough because RIM's been slipping. So I'm asking, what are the killer features in BB10 OS that are supposed to push it to 3rd place and save RIM?

What I listed, the best battery life, the best security, and the best messenging and email apps.

 

[2298754]

I pick WP8. It's simply better.

I really want an HTC 8x. I wish there were Android phones out there that felt as awesome in my hand.

 

[TacticalDesire]

I can see Blackberry going back to being the defacto business phone again while Windows 8 continues being a good 3rd option for consumers.

 

[siiip5]

RIM currently has 2 billion dollars of cash on hand, sure it's not 120 billion, but not too shabby. RIM also hasn't been "bleeding" money, their first loss was this past quarter, when they released absolutely no new devices, haven't released a new device in over a year, and everyone knows something new is coming. They are currently in 3rd place and have been outselling windows phone with an ancient OS, I think they'll be more than fine.

Good thing your job has nothing to do with analyzing data, because you'd be out of a job. RIM reported a loss in subscribers in Q3. Every quarter last year was a loss. In fact, they bled 2.5 billion YoY, leaving them in the situation they are now, and marketing of BB10 hasn't even been figured in yet! RIM is using left over parts from last years Android phones to keep costs down, but this also means they will have nothing to highlight for consumers.
The question is, what does RIM bring to the table? Why should a consumer buy Bb10 phones (that will be inferior in every way to flagship Android phones and WP8)? Will carriers have any monetary incentive to push a BB10 phone over an Android phone?
While there is no doubt RIM will sell to hardcore fans and the Canadian gov't, their ship has sailed in nearly every other country. I doubt RIM will sell more than 15 million this quarter, before dropping significantly the following quarter and simply dying off by end of 2014.

 

[powderblue17]

sad yes but at the same token rim has no one to blame but themselves. the endless delays in bb10 is what killed them. BB10 is at least 2 years to late at this point.

RIM's stock is soaring right now. They have no debt and now a powerful QNX architecture to build upon.

There are even comparison videos between BB10 and the iPhone 5 which show how Apple is the one stagnating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK0hWJEr874#!

 

[mrsir2009]

Probably the windows phone - Since MS makes their money elsewhere, they’ll be able to keep on chuggin’ no matter what happens.

 

[powderblue17]

Good thing your job has nothing to do with analyzing data, because you'd be out of a job. RIM reported a loss in subscribers in Q3. Every quarter last year was a loss. In fact, they bled 2.5 billion YoY, leaving them in the situation they are now, and marketing of BB10 hasn't even been figured in yet! RIM is using left over parts from last years Android phones to keep costs down, but this also means they will have nothing to highlight for consumers.
The question is, what does RIM bring to the table? Why should a consumer buy Bb10 phones (that will be inferior in every way to flagship Android phones and WP8)? Will carriers have any monetary incentive to push a BB10 phone over an Android phone?
While there is no doubt RIM will sell to hardcore fans and the Canadian gov't, their ship has sailed in nearly every other country. I doubt RIM will sell more than 15 million this quarter, before dropping significantly the following quarter and simply dying off by end of 2014.

So much wrong in one post. You sound just like the people who said Apple was dead in the late 90's.

Also they have been adding cash and last quarter was the first quarter they have lost customers after reaching 80 million the quarter before. What do they bring to the table? Oh lets see

Real Multitasking - apps are minimized to active frames which update with live info
Intelligent Keyboard - uses gestures
Hub - always running communication hub accessible from anywhere by gesture
Peek - gesture to glance quickly at the hub
Balance - separate encrypted work and personal profiles accessible by gesture
FIPS 140-2 security certification

And their OS doesn't need a quad-core processor to outperform other platforms because it's much more optimized.

 

[2298754]

There are even comparison videos between BB10 and the iPhone 5 which show how Apple is the one stagnating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK0hWJEr874#!

Ha, Apple stagnating? You don't see them using outdated 1 yr old chipsets in their new phones, like RIM will be. RIM has already been stagnant. BB10 will merely match features that iOS and Android have had for years now.

 

[powderblue17]

Ha, Apple stagnating? You don't see them using outdated 1 yr old chipsets in their new phones, like RIM will be. RIM has already been stagnant. BB10 will merely match features that iOS and Android have had for years now.

Match in some instances and surpass in others. 2GB RAM compared to 1GB in the iPhone.

What matters more then chipset speed is optimization of the OS which has been shown with BB10 performing great on slower hardware.

 

[siiip5]

So much wrong in one post. You sound just like the people who said Apple was dead in the late 90's.

Also they have been adding cash and last quarter was the first quarter they have lost customers after reaching 80 million the quarter before. What do they bring to the table? Oh lets see

Real Multitasking - apps are minimized to active frames which update with live info
Intelligent Keyboard - uses gestures
Hub - always running communication hub accessible from anywhere by gesture
Peek - gesture to glance quickly at the hub
Balance - separate encrypted work and personal profiles accessible by gesture
FIPS 140-2 security certification

And their OS doesn't need a quad-core processor to outperform other platforms because it's much more optimized.

Again, other than FIPS (which regular customers could care less about) BB10 brings nothing to the table. Businesses across the globe have dumped BB in favor of iDevices and Android devices. This is a fact, not wishful thinking.

Hint: if you own a company with these stats, you will soon be out of business.

 

[powderblue17]

Well I could show you the charts for Apple in the late 90's so I guess you would have come to the same conclusion for them. Apple was innovating with OS X during that time just like RIM has been with QNX which analysts and especially consumers are invisible to.

What matters is the tide has already turned in favor of RIM in the last few months with all the positive press, stock rising, and analyst upgrades.

Also 1600 businesses are testing BB10 right now so they are far from being left behind.

 

[siiip5]

Well I could show you the charts for Apple in the late 90's so I guess you would have come to the same conclusion for them. Apple was innovating with OS X during that time just like RIM has been with QNX which analysts are invisible to.

What matters is the tide has already turned in favor of RIM in the last few months with all the positive press, stock rising, and analyst upgrades.

Also 1600 businesses are testing BB10 right now so they are far from being left behind.

LOL. So who is playing the role of Steve Jobs in the iteration of the drama known as RIM?

Trying to compare RIM to Apple is laughable. And Apple was innovating OSX before Jobs came in to save the company? Seriously? You wanna stick with this statement? Apple's computer OS (was NeXT by the way!), had Zero to do with its recovery. A little thing called the iPod did. Maybe you heard of it?

And no tide has turned. Stock price is being inflated for short term gains. Watch the hammer drop on RIMs gains in one day as the stocks are shorted while RIMs keynote is still going on. Artificial inflation, based of vaporware, never sticks with a company that has a track record of delays and awful hardware.

 

[Beeplance]

I expect Windows Phone 8 to prevail in the near future.

Can't say the same confidently for RIM though, have to see what comes out of their BB 10 phones.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[powderblue17]

The iPod didn't save Apple. It just made them into a juggernaut. Buying NeXtStep and turning it into OS X during the bad years which eventually powered their computers did that long before the iPod.

It also happens to power the iPhone, iPad, AppleTV, iPod Touch, and computers so I would say it's far more important then the iPod was. Without OS X you have none of those. Also I don't think that someone who has a join date of Nov 2012 should try lecturing me about Apple history.

RIM went the same route by buying QNX which is powerful enough to run nuclear power reactors and I think it'll pay off for them as well. They were able to survive the bad years like Apple was and have turned the corner.

 

[siiip5]

The iPod didn't save Apple. It just made them into a juggernaut. Buying NeXtStep and turning it into OS X during the bad years which eventually powered their computers did that long before the iPod.

It also happens to power the iPhone, iPad, AppleTV, iPod Touch, and computers so I would say it's far more important then the iPod was. Without OS X you have none of those. Also I don't think that someone who has a join date of Nov 2012 should try lecturing me about Apple history.

RIM went the same route by buying QNX which is powerful enough to run nuclear power reactors and I think it'll pay off for them as well. They were able to survive the bad years like Apple was and have turned the corner.

I'm sure RIM would hire you for PR, but they are still in the middle of laying people off.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Ha, Apple stagnating? You don't see them using outdated 1 yr old chipsets in their new phones, like RIM will be. RIM has already been stagnant. BB10 will merely match features that iOS and Android have had for years now.

End of the they they are to little to late. RIM does not have deep enough pockets to go head to head with MS Apple or Google. Apple and Google are lock in and going to be next to impossible to knock off.

Now I see Google or MS buying them up and taking that technology but Blackberry is on death row right now.

 

[Prototypical]

No one wants to have a huge clunky phone

Have you seen pretty much every flagship Android phone currently in production? "Huge & Clunky" is the new black. 4.5"? Why not 5.5"? Or better yet, 6.5"? Hell, let's carry a small television in our pockets!

Like others have said, WP will stay in the game because Microsoft can subsidize it's survival for as long as it chooses to. I just hope they make the most out of it and turn it into another Xbox... The OS is fantastic but it does need some buildout before it becomes a true contender.

RIM has a great chance to take over at #3 though. I'm amazed at how many corporate IT departments still insist on old BBs as the corporate phone (primarily for the security component). With RIM's new "work/home profiles" functionality, I can see a lot of people jumping to the Z10. I sat in a meeting with a new healthcare client a couple of weeks ago, and I was amazed at how many people carried both a BB and an iPhone (probably 25-30 people in the room). If the "home" profile can do 80-90% of what an iPhone does, why carry two phones?

Of course, BB10 MUST succeed... If it doesn't, RIM is finished.

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BB10 will merely match features that iOS and Android have had for years now.

It's funny, Android fanboys have been saying this about iOS (vs. Android) for years now... and yet, iOS is still doing just fine.

 

[saintforlife]

Good thing your job has nothing to do with analyzing data, because you'd be out of a job. RIM reported a loss in subscribers in Q3. Every quarter last year was a loss. In fact, they bled 2.5 billion YoY, leaving them in the situation they are now, and marketing of BB10 hasn't even been figured in yet! RIM is using left over parts from last years Android phones to keep costs down, but this also means they will have nothing to highlight for consumers.
The question is, what does RIM bring to the table? Why should a consumer buy Bb10 phones (that will be inferior in every way to flagship Android phones and WP8)? Will carriers have any monetary incentive to push a BB10 phone over an Android phone?
While there is no doubt RIM will sell to hardcore fans and the Canadian gov't, their ship has sailed in nearly every other country. I doubt RIM will sell more than 15 million this quarter, before dropping significantly the following quarter and simply dying off by end of 2014.

I have book marked this. Will bump it when the time is right. I have a feeling you will be proved wrong.

 

[2298754]

Now I see Google or MS buying them up and taking that technology but Blackberry is on death row right now.

This would be awesome. Or even an Android OEM like Sammy picks up RIM on the cheap and uses their tech.

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It's funny, Android fanboys have been saying this about iOS (vs. Android) for years now... and yet, iOS is still doing just fine.

Except, you're forgetting that iOS has the brand image and ecosystem to back it up. RIM can't match Apple, not even close.

 

[siiip5]

I have book marked this. Will bump it when the time is right. I have a feeling you will be proved wrong.

Good for you. Glad you have something to look forward to in life. I also predicted a huge sell off of Apple stock after Cook's lackluster sales pitch that everything is fine. Clearly, I can't see the trees through the forest.