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Chundles

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Note: I'm a switcher but a tech head.

I believe that the OS X Beta did have the transparent window borders and windows just like Vista does now. The only problem is that with the transparencies you lost depth for your on screen applications. Try stacking or picking Windows when you can't even tell which one is on top of the other.

I've found that most OS X applications do a decent job of following Apple's Human Interface Guidelines and you get some nice carry overs from Linux/UNIX as well.

Good CLI-based application + OS X GUI goodness = WIN

What's your point Eidorian? Sorry but I don't quite follow, are you arguing with me or agreeing with me?
 

Chundles

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Yeah you are right. I am basing my impressions of Vista on what it looks like ( but also about what I read). And I said after I use it I might like it more or less. But Xp is alright without the ugly look. Vista has a beautifull one and beside that some other new features I read about, so i THINK I will like it and want to try it out but only the RTM version

Basing your choice of operating system around looks (and to me, Vista is cluttered, derivative and even less coherent than the current UI of Tiger and its applications) is a bad way to go about things.
 

Tony Gambino

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Basing your choice of operating system around looks (and to me, Vista is cluttered, derivative and even less coherent than the current UI of Tiger and its applications) is a bad way to go about things.


Its not just the look but its the most important thing and because I know windows and like I said XP is alright beside the ugly look. If LINUX which I never used and don't know anything about would have beatifull AERO I don't know if I would try it out.
 

Chundles

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Agreeing and trying to expand on your post. :D

Alright, no probs, haven't had much sleep and my temper is a bit short-fused today. Going to U2 tonight should make it all better :D

I really don't understand the point of all those transparent windows - MS says "oh you can see what's in the window underneath it" but only the title bar and the borders are transparent - how much can you actually see? Not much.

The glass effects are just the "lickable icons" from the initial launch of OSX, the sidebar and gadgets are a poor implementation of Dashboard and the widgets. The Flip3D effect is Exposé from a mental ward - you mean I can't see all my windows at once? What's the point of that? It's time consuming effort for people working with multiple windows for the sake of some glitzy effects.

Mac OSX is simple in its looks (far simpler than it used to be) and designed to simply disappear in general use. It's unobtrusive, elegant and subtle - far better than Vista's in-your-face "mogan" appearance.

* for those not in the know, a "mogan" is a bogan (for you americans, similar to trailer trash) that has come into money - they can dress themselves up in nice clothes, drive flashy cars but under all that they're still bogans.
 

Chundles

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Second that. Might have met Tony when I used to fish near bridges.

Yeah, I'm getting that feeling too. I think I may have woken him one night going "trip trap trip trap trip trap" over a little wooden bridge.
 

Tony Gambino

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Alright, no probs, haven't had much sleep and my temper is a bit short-fused today. Going to U2 tonight should make it all better :D

I really don't understand the point of all those transparent windows - MS says "oh you can see what's in the window underneath it" but only the title bar and the borders are transparent - how much can you actually see? Not much.

The glass effects are just the "lickable icons" from the initial launch of OSX, the sidebar and gadgets are a poor implementation of Dashboard and the widgets. The Flip3D effect is Exposé from a mental ward - you mean I can't see all my windows at once? What's the point of that? It's time consuming effort for people working with multiple windows for the sake of some glitzy effects.

Mac OSX is simple in its looks (far simpler than it used to be) and designed to simply disappear in general use. It's unobtrusive, elegant and subtle - far better than Vista's in-your-face "mogan" appearance.

* for those not in the know, a "mogan" is a bogan (for you americans, similar to trailer trash) that has come into money - they can dress themselves up in nice clothes, drive flashy cars but under all that they're still bogans.

Yeah you are right again. Windows copied a lot from apple and the sidbar is the first thing I am going to disable. But thats what the best do they copy something thats already good and make it then even better. (beside sidebar) I like everything they copied.


About the mac design I dont like some from apps. The one I really hated was Filemaker 8.5. The look was really ugly and deleted the trial at the moment I saw it, I think I read somewhere that it had a classic look like Mac classic had.

The Mac OSX design is alright (or simple like you say) nothing special. Would love it if Leopard would have a very different look like windows did with Vista and all major apps updated to universal and more software choices and I would check out Leopard for sure
 

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Yeah you are right again. Windows copied a lot from apple and the sidbar is the first thing I am going to disable. But thats what the best do they copy something thats already good and make it then even better. (beside sidebar) I like everything they copied.


About the mac design I dont like some from apps. The one I really hated was Filemaker 8.5. The look was really ugly and deleted the trial at the moment I saw it, I think I read somewhere that it had a classic look like Mac classic had.

The Mac OSX design is alright (or simple like you say) nothing special. Would love it if Leopard would have a very different look like windows did with Vista and all major apps updated to universal and more software choices and I would check out Leopard for sure

You don't understand. Mac already went through this whole transparency phase that Vista is going through, and it was dumped in favor of productivity and simplicity. It is just transparent windows. That's all your getting with Windows. I mean, I love Microsoft as a company (gasp, a mac guy saying that?) but I think Vista is a terrible OS they made for 6 years. It has nothing of value. They sure copied OSX, but not Tiger, not Panther, they copied OSX from years ago.
 

Tony Gambino

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I understand everything. And I am neutral, like both OS, but right now Vista more - didnt try it yet, but from what I saw and read I am in love with Vista right now, all can change when I try it out!

Its not the transparency or that you can see through windows what I like. Just the nice clean and for me professional look (what you may disagree).
 

Tony Gambino

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Did they have the transparencey thing exactly as Vista, nice, clean professional?

Because apple didnt like it or the users doesn't mean Microsoft couldn't copy it and make it better?

I think a lot of people using XP like AERO in Vista and most people will buy Home Premium or better because of AERO.

There would be no way I would format MAC OSX for Home Basic. This is really like XP SP3.
 

vniow

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So you want to abandon OS X on your iMac for an OS you'd admittedly never used, based on some screenshots that made you think it was pretty.


AERO FTW OMGWTFLOL111!!111!!!


Oh, and you like games.

You want to run Vista, fine. Its you computer you can do what you damn well please on it. At least keep OS X on a separate small partition for firmware updates etc. You can set it as the default boot OS even. And also keep in mind that most people will say this is a stupid idea, especially for an OS you've never run before so don't be surprised.
 

Tony Gambino

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Hope they will give vista and office 2007 to msdn subscibers at this time and somebody put it on a torrent site for the rest of us who love vista.
 

Tony Gambino

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So you want to abandon OS X on your iMac for an OS you'd admittedly never used, based on some screenshots that made you think it was pretty.


AERO FTW OMGWTFLOL111!!111!!!


Oh, and you like games.

You want to run Vista, fine. Its you computer you can do what you damn well please on it. At least keep OS X on a separate small partition for firmware updates etc. You can set it as the default boot OS even. And also keep in mind that most people will say this is a stupid idea, especially for an OS you've never run before so don't be surprised.

I saw screenshots I read about it a lot and saw some videos. Its enough for me. The only thing I am concered about are drivers and in xp when I was draging a window everytime i could see trails from the window. Looks ugly and I dont know what the problem is. Hope it wont do that in vista or my vista experience wont be good.

And I dont have a problem to reformat my drive again to uninstall vista if i wouldnt like it. (but I doubt that,that I wont like it).
 

Chundles

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Hope they will give vista and office 2007 to msdn subscibers at this time and somebody put it on a torrent site for the rest of us who love vista.

So you love it so much you want to steal it? That makes no sense.

If you love it so much you'll wait till January 30th and rush out to buy it in it's massive old-school-VHS cassette case box to bring it home and begin the laborious install process, then activation, then updating, restart, update, restart, update, crash, restart, update, restart, restart, restart, RESTART DAMNIT RESTART!!!! phew, update, restart, install AV/spyware software, restart etc.
 

Tony Gambino

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So you love it so much you want to steal it? That makes no sense.

If you love it so much you'll wait till January 30th and rush out to buy it in it's massive old-school-VHS cassette case box to bring it home and begin the laborious install process, then activation, then updating, restart, update, restart, update, crash, restart, update, restart, restart, restart, RESTART DAMNIT RESTART!!!! phew, update, restart, install AV/spyware software, restart etc.

I said if I will like it I will buy it just because the beautiful packaging and I am afraid microsoft would disable aero if they would know I have a pirated version.

RTM is for me like beta to test it with confidence. I didnt want to put a beta on my computer because of driver and stability issues.

Vista RTM = trial period (for me)
 

Tony Gambino

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install AV/spyware software, restart etc.

Viruses and Spywares are no problems to me, with Kaspersky Antivirus I never had any problem and always deleted a virus instantly.

Its still not compatible with Vista but will be soon
 

Guy Incognito

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So this whole thread is obviously a troll or a joke or both, right? Anyway, isn't RC2 the same as the RTM build? So download it already. Sheesh.
 

Tony Gambino

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restart, update, restart, update, crash, restart, update, restart, restart, restart, RESTART DAMNIT RESTART!!!! phew, update, restart, install AV/spyware software, restart etc.


That aint no problem for me to. I grew up using Windows and I am used to it
 

Tony Gambino

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Uh-huh.

Take it from someone who's has Vista as her sole OS since RC2. Looks ain't everything. And that has to be one of the worst reasons so switch to an OS. At least use it first before you base any more opinions off of it.

Vista can't be worse than XP in no way I think. Thats why I am so excited about it and think I will love it with AERO and some new features
 

Chundles

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That aint no problem for me to. I grew up using Windows and I am used to it

You're kidding right? That's the possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

"Yeah, got gangrene, my leg's rotting away and it hurts like hell but that ain't no problem for me and I am used to it."

I'm done with this thread, you're either a troll or just plain dumb. Either way, I wish you well and I hope to never see you round here again.
 
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