"Vista Most Secure OS Ever" This gave me a good laugh...

[Timepass]

Probability is not fact.

You basing your entire argument for the reasoning that small market share means no virus is a myth based on the fact that it proublility so it cannt be proven.


Nice. Really strong argument there *very think sarcasim*

Btw human nature does follow certain tendaincy. And from those tendancy you can predict a lot of stuff with just laws of problility.


I love how you attack my simple agurment showing why laws of proublilty shows why OSX few virus.

The protection of small market share can also be shown by simple small number of trojin horse for OSX. No OS can protect against user stupidity and a trojin can by pass almost everything in the OS. Yeah it harder to make them for OSX but it been proven several times that some nasty ones can be made. Just have to package them with the correct thing and some damage can happen. To show this just look back a few months when a trojin got released here on these boards.

It boils down to
Small market share=less attention

That does not effect the facts that OSX is harder to crack than XP and exploit. All that does is reduce the attention to cracking OSX even more. OSX has a list of things that cause the attention to it to be reduced by a lot which intrun effects how quickly the OS can be cracked.

If OSX was at 90% market share like M$ it you can be sure there would be some viruses and spyware out of it because lets face it 90% of the users are going to be on it so in large number that means easy pickings.

Remember even on XP about 90% of the new "virus" and current "virus" are trojins not worms or virus by deffention.

 

[decksnap]

OK. I'm done replying to this inane banter after this.

All I ever said is you have no proof or facts. Call it an argument, a theory, a belief, an opinion, but don't call it the truth just because you say so!

Alright I'm done.

 

[bbrosemer]

You basing your entire argument for the reasoning that small market share means no virus is a myth based on the fact that it proublility so it cannt be proven.


Nice. Really strong argument there *very think sarcasim*

Btw human nature does follow certain tendaincy. And from those tendancy you can predict a lot of stuff with just laws of problility.


I love how you attack my simple agurment showing why laws of proublilty shows why OSX few virus.

The protection of small market share can also be shown by simple small number of trojin horse for OSX. No OS can protect against user stupidity and a trojin can by pass almost everything in the OS. Yeah it harder to make them for OSX but it been proven several times that some nasty ones can be made. Just have to package them with the correct thing and some damage can happen. To show this just look back a few months when a trojin got released here on these boards.

It boils down to
Small market share=less attention

That does not effect the facts that OSX is harder to crack than XP and exploit. All that does is reduce the attention to cracking OSX even more. OSX has a list of things that cause the attention to it to be reduced by a lot which intrun effects how quickly the OS can be cracked.

If OSX was at 90% market share like M$ it you can be sure there would be some viruses and spyware out of it because lets face it 90% of the users are going to be on it so in large number that means easy pickings.

Remember even on XP about 90% of the new "virus" and current "virus" are trojins not worms or virus by deffention.

OMG look at servers ar they MS based hell NOOOOO gosh, they are much more secure and do you see people trying to attack them yes and are they succesful, sometimes not nearly as often as an attack on MS, there is so much more to gain from attacking a server, and yet they often arent succesful, come on MS is not as secure as any OS out there it is that simple, MS is for people who like to play games, that is all that MS is good for anymore, anything you can do on MS you can do on a Mac now, and more becasue u can run that MS crap on it now, MS runs slower, looks worse, and gets attacked so so often.

 

[Timepass]

OK. I'm done replying to this inane banter after this.

All I ever said is you have no proof or facts. Call it an argument, a theory, a belief, an opinion, but don't call it the truth just because you say so!

Alright I'm done.

well I sorry that you dont understand laws of problity and you are sticking to you delisios that it all because OSX is harder to crack is all that makes it safer OS. Market share does play a part if not a large part in it security.

No where did I state that OSX was easy to crack. I just stated that part of the reason it not being crack is it doesnt have the attation to do it.

Another thing to look at is Web broswers. IE was about the only thing ever targeted until firefox took off and there are minor things trying to explort firefox because it gotten enough market share to warrent the attention.


Reason I targeting you post is on the grounds is your entire argument is it a myth and not using things to back it up. Humans are predictble and can have proublity applied to them. Anythign in large number aways forums something that will work with the normal disbution curve.

 

[Timepass]

OMG look at servers ar they MS based hell NOOOOO gosh, they are much more secure and do you see people trying to attack them yes and are they succesful, sometimes not nearly as often as an attack on MS, there is so much more to gain from attacking a server, and yet they often arent succesful, come on MS is not as secure as any OS out there it is that simple, MS is for people who like to play games, that is all that MS is good for anymore, anything you can do on MS you can do on a Mac now, and more becasue u can run that MS crap on it now, MS runs slower, looks worse, and gets attacked so so often.

Ok I going to take you apple kool aid away I think some one had a little to much.

No where did I say have the stuff you are trying to fault me on. NO where did I say M# was as secure or more secure than other OS. I dont know where you are pulling that from but clearly the apple kool aid is effectign your brain some way.

 

[bbrosemer]

well I sorry that you dont understand laws of problity and you are sticking to you delisios that it all because OSX is harder to crack is all that makes it safer OS. Market share does play a part if not a large part in it security.

No where did I state that OSX was easy to crack. I just stated that part of the reason it not being crack is it doesnt have the attation to do it.

Another thing to look at is Web broswers. IE was about the only thing ever targeted until firefox took off and there are minor things trying to explort firefox because it gotten enough market share to warrent the attention.


Reason I targeting you post is on the grounds is your entire argument is it a myth and not using things to back it up. Humans are predictble and can have proublity applied to them. Anythign in large number aways forums something that will work with the normal disbution curve.

There are no such things as laws, that is like saying the Law of Gravity is true, which it isn't Laws of Probability what kind of garbage is that, there are no Universal Truths no law can covern all and there are always expcetions to everything, come on someone try to say the law of gravity is true.

 

[bbrosemer]

Ok I going to take you apple kool aid away I think some one had a little to much.

No where did I say have the stuff you are trying to fault me on. NO where did I say M# was as secure or more secure than other OS. I dont know where you are pulling that from but clearly the apple kool aid is effectign your brain some way.

No its not that it is the ignorance that is MS users I just switched and OS X is just that much better then MS Market share has such a small effect on MS's security is what I am trying to say there are hundreds of servers out there that could be attacked but arent becasue they are so much more secure then any windows machine if it was as easy to attack the server people would but its not, even though there is so much more to gain from attacking a server.

 

[Timepass]

There are no such things as laws, that is like saying the Law of Gravity is true, which it isn't Laws of Probability what kind of garbage is that, there are no Universal Truths no law can covern all and there are always expcetions to everything, come on someone try to say the law of gravity is true.

Hmm I could try explain and the laws of probility and why they are true but it clearly would be way over your head.

Go take some Upper level math classes and get back to me. Most people understand the basic of proublilty but the more advance stuff I am talking about is general way over most people head.

In talking about higher math in it the class I been though is a 3000 lv class on stats (whick you start understanding the high formals in laws of proublility because stats are all just Probability) The formals I know require an understanding of math though cal III so it a lot higher than a a vast majority of people have gone.

Take those upper lv math classes and then maybe you will understand what I refering to and really understand statisicts and all that jazz

 

[bbrosemer]

Hmm I could try explain and the laws of probility and why they are true but it clearly would be way over your head.

Go take some Upper level math classes and get back to me. Most people understand the basic of proublilty but the more advance stuff I am talking about is general way over most people head.

In talking about higher math in it the class I been though is a 3000 lv class on stats (whick you start understanding the high formals in laws of proublility because stats are all just Probability) The formals I know require an understanding of math though cal III so it a lot higher than a a vast majority of people have gone.

Take those upper lv math classes and then maybe you will understand what I refering to and really understand statisicts and all that jazz

Ok well since I took Calc 4 I should be good to go .... Even though I'm only a mere Jr. in College, and am a Organ Chem Major... but sure yeah I have no idea what ur talking about.

 

[SC68Cal]

most macs confiscated in america are sent off to canada where a specialist team recovered data to be used as evidence by stripping data direct off the drive and decrypting file vaulted users, by law when you create encryption software you have to give the keys over the the gov, you may not like it but it's teh law.

You have got to be kidding me.

Read this.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/195310/

There is no backdoor in encryption systems. The only way to crack it is through sheer brute force.

 

[Timepass]

Ok well since I took Calc 4 I should be good to go .... Even though I'm only a mere Jr. in College, and am a Organ Chem Major... but sure yeah I have no idea what ur talking about.

Sounds odd for a JC to offer Cal 4 unless that is what they are all DefQ (another very very fun class, not). If it not DefQ it have to be a 3000 lv class and Jr college can not teach those. When they teach a 3000lv they treat it as a 2000lv class in numbering because they are classific as a 2 year school. Hard major so good luck with that. I dont like chemistry, more of a math and engineering myself. I going to assume you are going to be transfering to a major univisty in the fall and learn how different it is going to a major college. I did the tranfer route so I talking from experince here. to me Jr College was an exttention of HS but a good way to make the adjustment. Really helps out in being able to go with a easier course load. Only draw back is really the most time it will cut off is 1 year. Just you get a much lighter course load. Right going in to my last 3 (Tranfering and a major change) I am running a much lighter course load than my friends where I have to find classes to stay full time and they are straining with 16-18 hours of corse load. Lets me put a lot more attention in finding a job when I get out of school.

Also it still require you taking an upper lv stats class to understand it. Just it going to require an understand of Cal up to at least cal II before you can have a chance of understand the stuff in the class. I believe you major is going to require you to take one just Jr college genreal dont offer the class you need so it be when you go to a major school that you will find it.

So yet again please take a the upper lv stats class and come back and talk to me.

 

[Mord]

You have got to be kidding me.

Read this.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/195310/

There is no backdoor in encryption systems. The only way to crack it is through sheer brute force.

or you have the encryption keys.

if you have the math that the program uses to encrypt something you can just run a password crack and crack it in a matter of hours, however only the people who create the encryption software and the government if they request the keys possess them.

 

[altair]

Anyone else notice a huge influx of leet mofo's on these forums? I'm starting to get tired of all these threads, I miss the old days when you could read a intelligent conversation.

 

[bbrosemer]

Does that name have anything to do with the first computer Billy wrote his OS for...

 

[Rower_CPU]

Enough with the FUD/misinformation/pissing contests/off-topic discussion, folks.