Vista Service Pack 1 - Time to upgrade?

[wgilles]

I have Windows XP on my boot camp partition right now and after reading some stuff about the Vista SP1 that will be coming out in the next couple months I'm wondering if it will be time to upgrade. I have a copy of Vista Ultimate sitting on my desk waiting to be installed, but I use Boot camp for gaming and Vista slows down most games so I haven't had a reason to install it. But after reading some reviews of the beta of SP1, they say it improves gaming performance through some fixes, etc. Anyone heard of anything else that might be a reason to upgrade from XP?????

 

[kamm]

Using it for ~1.5 years now, last 2 months with SP1 - I was in beta - and I would advise against it.

 

[wgilles]

Guess Vista will suck forever...

 

[Tallest Skil]

Guess Vista will suck forever...

Well... yes.

It will be better (read: still worthlessly unusable) around SP2 or 3. If you're in the mood for Service Packs, get XP SP3!

 

[wgilles]

Yeah, I was reading about SP3 this morning, doesn't seem like it has too much in the way of exciting performance stuff considering XP is pretty fast already. SP2 for Vista will probably end up coming out in late '09 so I guess I'll have a Vista Ultimate sitting on my desk for a while unless Vista gets something so friggen cool I have to install it, which I don't see happening.
EDIT:
Check this out, listen to what the girl in the beginning says
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myEpYb_3fwk

 

[Neil321]

Yeah, I was reading about SP3 this morning, doesn't seem like it has too much in the way of exciting performance stuff considering XP is pretty fast already. SP2 for Vista will probably end up coming out in late '09 so I guess I'll have a Vista Ultimate sitting on my desk for a while unless Vista gets something so friggen cool I have to install it, which I don't see happening.
EDIT:
Check this out, listen to what the girl in the beginning says
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myEpYb_3fwk

Sounds about right,but i think its pre sp1 ( not that,that matters )

 

[cohibadad]

I wish Vista was a killer OS. I want MS to push to innovate.

 

[kamm]

They are speeding up the development of its successor so don't bank on Vista for long - I wouldn't be surprised if Blackcomb aka Windows 7 will be aarriving late 2009 or early 2010... Vista will NEVER convince me to switch my entire company, no way. XP SP3 will serve us well for another 2-3 years, that's for sure and it seems in Windows 7 they are moving away from this giant all-in-one crap design called Vista and use a lightweight base with more modularity (similar to linux distros).
It needs time but OS X is making inroads every day and honestly I don't really understand why Jobs is against releasing it into the wild (without supporting non-Apple hardware, of course) - they could really take advantage of the anti-Vista tide of the market.

 

[wgilles]

I wish Vista was a killer OS so that it just wouldn't suck...so many promises and no deliveries. It's kinda like politicians.

 

[The Flashing Fi]

Gaming performance on my MBP in Vista is just as good as it was in XP. Then again, I would expect these kinds of comments from Apple fanboys.

Also, if you tried Vista when it was first released, it was very buggy in the driver department. Around 6 months after its release, the drivers are much better and performance in games has been restored.

 

[VforVelveta]

Gaming performance on my MBP in Vista is just as good as it was in XP. Then again, I would expect these kinds of comments from Apple fanboys.

Also, if you tried Vista when it was first released, it was very buggy in the driver department. Around 6 months after its release, the drivers are much better and performance in games has been restored.

I've got to agree with you there. I've used both XP and Vista on my MBP and never really noticed any big difference in terms of performance. It seems like a lot of the complaints about Vista stem from not having a system that's made to run it, and since Apple doesn't use any low end stuff, any Macintel should be more than capable to run it ok.

The other complaints I've noticed is just that they moved a lot of things around from XP, some seemingly without reason. But considering how most people running it on a Mac probably aren't using it as their main OS anyway, I don't think its that big of a deal.

Sometimes I really feel bad for the people at Microsoft how put so much time into Vista only to have it shot down by the mob at every turn.

 

[kamm]

People who don't see further than their little MBP bubble yet they keep belittle others always amaze me - I use Vista on MULTIPLE quad-core 3GHz+ machine/workstation, with 8800s and Quadros.
VISTA SUCKS, period.

 

[Neil321]

Gaming performance on my MBP in Vista is just as good as it was in XP. Then again, I would expect these kinds of comments from Apple fanboys.

Also, if you tried Vista when it was first released, it was very buggy in the driver department. Around 6 months after its release, the drivers are much better and performance in games has been restored.

With respect,some of us dont have Vista installed in bootcamp, i use XP if need a windows app,but i have to use Vista at work on multiple machines and it SUCKS

 

[Nabooly]

I have Vista ultimate installed under fusions and i cant honestly point to anything wrong with it.......

 

[98707]

I bootcamped vista home basic on three different computers and am going to put business 64 on one today.


I have never had problems. If you do its because you are incompetent. All the computers were Apples FTW. if it was another manufacturer you were upgrading I could understand it.

 

[The Flashing Fi]

With respect,some of us dont have Vista installed in bootcamp, i use XP if need a windows app,but i have to use Vista at work on multiple machines and it SUCKS

SP1 fixes a lot of issues of Vista, including the transfer issues you mentioned in another thread.

Also, to be fair, I've generally found computers, in general, regardless of OS, to be worse in a network setting. One example are the Macs at my School. I believe they're G5 iMacs or early Intel iMacs. Well, anyway, they're running Tiger, and whenever I try and use them, they are slow as crap, and, guess what, unstable. Whenever I use Finder to try and access my files, I have to browse through a lot of folders to get to my folder. It can take 5 minutes to get to my folder, not because I have a lot of folders to go trhough, but because I get the pinwheel anytime I get a large list of folders. I mean, WTF? I don't get this issue on the XP computers at my university, nor the Linux machines, only the Apple machines.

My point is that often times, network administrators set things up to work. The key word is work. That doesn't mean it will work well. If they do a poor job of setting the network up and computers up, they will be slow. I didn't use the peformance of my school's computers to judge the performance of how Tiger is in general. I don't think it's fair and if I did that, it wouldn't be giving Apple a fair shot. If I judged my experience with Apple off the experience at my school, I would have to say that Finder simply sucks and Mac OS X Tiger was slow and buggy. So I don't think it's very fair for you to go around saying Vista sucks when the fault may not lie with MS, but rather your network administrators who set the computers up, and this may be attributed to Vista being new and them not being used to it.

If your computer came with Vista, then it probably should be able to run Vista well (there are exceptions with cheapo computers with 512 megs of RAM). I'm sure your network administrators only use driver updates provided by the computer manufacturer, which I often find are severly outdated. I have found that Vista is faster (or just as fast, depending on the app) and more stable than XP on the same computer.

 

[Mr. Zarniwoop]

I have never had problems. If you do its because you are incompetent.

Your post made my afternoon.



It may seem hard to believe, but sometimes even competent people have been known to have trouble installing Microsoft operating systems.

 

[MKnight]

Did a fresh install of Vista 64bit Ultimate edition with SP1 integrated in VWware Fusion.

Everything is running smooth and much faster than RTM! Personally everything works fine for me and I do not have a single driver issue or stability issue.

 

[Neil321]

SP1 fixes a lot of issues of Vista, including the transfer issues you mentioned in another thread.

Also, to be fair, I've generally found computers, in general, regardless of OS, to be worse in a network setting. One example are the Macs at my School. I believe they're G5 iMacs or early Intel iMacs. Well, anyway, they're running Tiger, and whenever I try and use them, they are slow as crap, and, guess what, unstable. Whenever I use Finder to try and access my files, I have to browse through a lot of folders to get to my folder. It can take 5 minutes to get to my folder, not because I have a lot of folders to go trhough, but because I get the pinwheel anytime I get a large list of folders. I mean, WTF? I don't get this issue on the XP computers at my university, nor the Linux machines, only the Apple machines.

My point is that often times, network administrators set things up to work. The key word is work. That doesn't mean it will work well. If they do a poor job of setting the network up and computers up, they will be slow. I didn't use the peformance of my school's computers to judge the performance of how Tiger is in general. I don't think it's fair and if I did that, it wouldn't be giving Apple a fair shot. If I judged my experience with Apple off the experience at my school, I would have to say that Finder simply sucks and Mac OS X Tiger was slow and buggy. So I don't think it's very fair for you to go around saying Vista sucks when the fault may not lie with MS, but rather your network administrators who set the computers up, and this may be attributed to Vista being new and them not being used to it.

If your computer came with Vista, then it probably should be able to run Vista well (there are exceptions with cheapo computers with 512 megs of RAM). I'm sure your network administrators only use driver updates provided by the computer manufacturer, which I often find are severly outdated. I have found that Vista is faster (or just as fast, depending on the app) and more stable than XP on the same computer.

Ok i take some of your points of view on board but i still think Vista sucks and im afraid you arnt gonna change that,as for picking me out about the sucks issue id try reading some more posts about vista

Im afraid mr fi were gonna have to agree to disagree on this one

Also to the members that keep on posting oh Vista runs so well on my MBP of course it will,In some PC magazines it was stated the best computer to run Vista on was a MAC

Me i have to use it at work on Dells & HP's and when you have it installed on around 25 of them it aint to clever

 

[The Flashing Fi]

I singled you out specifically about your issues is because you listed them and I remembered one of them specifically off the top of my head.

I also don't need to read other people's posts here or anywhere else to know what Vista is all about. The best way to gain knowledge and understanding of an OS isn't to go onto joe schmoe's blog and read about his incompetencies when it comes down to Vista or anything else. Also, I would certainly take Vista bashing here with a grain of salf, since most people here haven't even used the OS, but instead take the word of someone else.

I've had Vista installed on 3 computers, and the experience has all be the same. One was a crappy Acer Laptop with a Core Duo 2 GHz CPU, 2 gigs of DDR2-533 RAM, ATi Mobility x1400, and Vista ran great on it, just as good as XP, which it came pre-loaded with. My desktop which I built runs Vista great, just as well as XP, and my MBP runs Vista just as well as XP. It's all a matter of setting the OS up properly.

 

[Neil321]

I singled you out specifically about your issues is because you listed them and I remembered one of them specifically off the top of my head.

I also don't need to read other people's posts here or anywhere else to know what Vista is all about. The best way to gain knowledge and understanding of an OS isn't to go onto joe schmoe's blog and read about his incompetencies when it comes down to Vista or anything else. Also, I would certainly take Vista bashing here with a grain of salf, since most people here haven't even used the OS, but instead take the word of someone else.

I've had Vista installed on 3 computers, and the experience has all be the same. One was a crappy Acer Laptop with a Core Duo 2 GHz CPU, 2 gigs of DDR2-533 RAM, ATi Mobility x1400, and Vista ran great on it, just as good as XP, which it came pre-loaded with. My desktop which I built runs Vista great, just as well as XP, and my MBP runs Vista just as well as XP. It's all a matter of setting the OS up properly.

Yep looks like we aint gonna agree on this,i can asure you the computers at the college i work for are set up correctly by support engineers, but because im the one who has to teach on them im always running into issues with them.( and no its not me,its my job )

Anyways like i said we aint ever gonna agree on this,you have your opinion on Vista and i have mine

Lets leave it at that otherwise me & you are going to be going round in circles on this

 

[The Flashing Fi]

Yep looks like we aint gonna agree on this,i can asure you the computers at the college i work for are set up correctly by support engineers, but because im the one who has to teach on them im always running into issues with them.( and no its not me,its my job )

Anyways like i said we aint ever gonna agree on this,you have your opinion on Vista and i have mine

Lets leave it at that otherwise me & you are going to be going round in circles on this

You're right, we probably never will agree. Just remember, if someone asks for help, don't just saying "Vista sucks." That's flat out trolling and doesn't help the guy.

 

[rake_mistry]

Guess Vista will suck forever...

So true... So true...

 

[rake_mistry]

Yeah, I was reading about SP3 this morning, doesn't seem like it has too much in the way of exciting performance stuff considering XP is pretty fast already. SP2 for Vista will probably end up coming out in late '09 so I guess I'll have a Vista Ultimate sitting on my desk for a while unless Vista gets something so friggen cool I have to install it, which I don't see happening.
EDIT:
Check this out, listen to what the girl in the beginning says
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myEpYb_3fwk

Hahahahaha..... SO true....

 

[JaySoul]

I can't believe how badly Microsoft dropped the ball on Vista... I bought a Dell PC last April - with Vista "Ultimate" - and since I switched to Mac it is literally sitting their redundant.

I then tried to give it to my parents but they still prefer their XP machine. It was actually a complete waste of money!

The only thing I like is that the latest version of Limewire works brilliantly on it, and I don't want it to infect my MacBook with viruses

Oh actually the 22" monitor is pretty cool too!!