In your opinion should the buttons on the iPhone change with orientation then too? As they don’t and therefore the experience between iPhone and iPad is inconsistent.
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iPad Pro Volume buttons are assigned differently
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You're 100% wrong! EVERY physical volume dial in history has kept it's same initial direction for volume regardless of the device orientation. Physical volume buttons don't magically turn in the opposite direction as the device gets flipped. They rotate exactly the same regardless of the devices orientation. Put your living room stereo on its side and tell me that the rotating dial sudden spin the opposite direction for volume control. You can't cause it doesn't.
And just like EVERY other device in history, even Apple's number #1 product the iPhone doesn't reverse it's volume direction dependent on orientation.
Flipping the volume controls because of the device's orientation is like reversing the volume dial on the AirPods Pro Max headset because you decided to lay on the couch instead of sitting up. Which would be just as dumb as it is on the iPad. lol
You are literally doing that.
I could have sworn that while my 9.7” iPP has that toggle, my M1 iPad Pro didn’t, but now it does.
Regardless, I like the feature so I’m leaving it on.
Your living room stereo isn't designed to be flipped on its side (but you would still turn the dial the same direction: clockwise would still be up, anticlockwise would still be down, no matter which way up you put it. Even upside down). Arguably, the iPhone isn't either. Certainly not like an iPad. Desktop rotation disappeared several generations ago. The phone of course permits in-app rotation, but often the apps aren't optimised for it except such as YouTube and games where it makes complete sense. Let's see you turn say the Facebook app on its side on a phone. Or even, Apple's own 'Music' app.
Conversely, the iPad was optimised to be used in either orientation, from day one, and apps rearrange their workspaces to suit. For years and years, we've even been able to affix iPads in landscape-mode to dedicated bluetooth keyboards to turn them into a poor-man's laptop (though not so poor now, when you can spend two grand or more on an iPad). So unlike a phone (and a hifi), being able to use them as optimally in landscape as vertically has always been part of their primary design language, and therefore, matching the physical controls to their orientation does make 100% sense.
Had Apple implemented this feature from the start (which maybe wasn't possible from a hardware perspective), everybody would have been fine with it. In fact, folks would have been going batsh*t crazy if Apple now suddenly froze the buttons so they remain in their portrait orientation while in landscape, complaining as much as anything that the onscreen volume-slider moves the opposite way to the buttons and that's 100% counter-intuitive (which it was).
Now don't start with a strawman argument. Just because I'm telling people to stop making a mountain out of a molehill doesn't mean I'm doing the same. That's literally one of the worst counter arguments in history.
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I made a quick illustration to show how the dynamic buttons work like a volume dial. And yes, all devices which can switch orientation should have dynamic volume buttons as an option.
You’re more than welcome to argue to the contrary, but it wont change my mind because you’re wrong.
Note that I said it should be an option because this is fighting against established muscle memory.
To be fair, there are a few dials which you rotate counter clockwise to raise volume, but those are in the minority.
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No one is making a mountain out of a mole here expect you. I don't think you've read the thread title. We are just requesting the toggle to be brought back for the pro iPads. This toggle to keep buttons from switching is still available on the other iPads models.
Inconsistent UI between multiple iPads is for another thread.
Apple feels the toggle is warranted, as it's still available on other iPads, unfortunately they removed it on the Pro models.
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Your buttons are still switching in your diagrams. The button nearest to the edge increases the volume and then switches to become the one that decreases the volume. Like I said orientation is changing what the physical buttons performs.
Yes, orientation changes what the buttons do so that you always turn the dial clockwise from left to right, bottom to top, quiet to loud. It should be an option on all iDevices.Your buttons are still switching in your diagrams. The button nearest to the edge increases the volume and then switches to become the one that decreases the volume. Like I said orientation is changing what the physical buttons performs.
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At the end of the day it should be an option. If apple had introduced the iPad with physical buttons that change function based on orientation then fine. But they didn’t. They changed it many years through life and that breaks muscle memory for many. If there was an option I would switch it back to the original way it was. I don’t care if it breaks convention. It would match my iPhone and every iPad I’ve had for years and that would be just great for me
Exactly. Crazy thing is there is an option to change it, just not on the Pro iPad models. And that what this thread is about.
As stated in this thread, the buttons change on newer iPads, but don’t change on iPhones when put in the exact same orientations. So, it doesn’t make sense there is no consistency - as is.
I hate this feature, and I have stereo equipment from the 1970s.
Now, I’m not saying there shouldn’t be an option to have them movable or fixed. I’m saying I don’t want the options removed to disable the feature. I think if you are new to the iPad, then the movable buttons probably make more sense than someone who’s used one for many years where it was different. Apple has previously always been of giving the choice to you in these kind of issue.
The feature is actually much more complicated in its implementation than most people realize. From a programmatic point of view, it’s much easier to have buttons that you don’t care about the orientation, just button 1 is up and button 2 is down.
To implement this required at a minimum coupling the orientation from the sensors into the buttton mapping. Maybe that was easier in hardware and now it can’t be undone…but wait…
The remapping based on orientation doesn’t always happen:
1. If you lock orientations (a software only option), the buttons follow the locked orientations regardless of what the actual orientation of the tablet is.
2. If you have a foreground app that forces a particular orientation (unless you are in stage manager mode), the buttons follow the app’s forced orientation, regardless of the actual orientation of the iPad.
Those are both much harder to implement and clearly shows you can decouple the buttons from hardware sensors. Why not give a user option to do so?
Now, I’m not saying there shouldn’t be an option to have them movable or fixed. I’m saying I don’t want the options removed to disable the feature. I think if you are new to the iPad, then the movable buttons probably make more sense than someone who’s used one for many years where it was different. Apple has previously always been of giving the choice to you in these kind of issue.
The feature is actually much more complicated in its implementation than most people realize. From a programmatic point of view, it’s much easier to have buttons that you don’t care about the orientation, just button 1 is up and button 2 is down.
To implement this required at a minimum coupling the orientation from the sensors into the buttton mapping. Maybe that was easier in hardware and now it can’t be undone…but wait…
The remapping based on orientation doesn’t always happen:
1. If you lock orientations (a software only option), the buttons follow the locked orientations regardless of what the actual orientation of the tablet is.
2. If you have a foreground app that forces a particular orientation (unless you are in stage manager mode), the buttons follow the app’s forced orientation, regardless of the actual orientation of the iPad.
Those are both much harder to implement and clearly shows you can decouple the buttons from hardware sensors. Why not give a user option to do so?