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MP 7,1 W6800x Duo benchmarks vs Vega ii duo, 2x w5700x, 2x 6900xt
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Yeah when you use GPU heavy programs, the shortfalls of the M1 becomes very obvious - but otherwise it is great at the things it does really well. But even throwing some Red raw or heavy raw codecs at it will be much slower than a Mac Pro with good GPUs. It does shine in 422 10 bit though, since it has the hardware for that.
That’s because people who don’t understand the importance of GPU compute power, keep conflating the M1’s fantastic hardware decoding of h264/h265 video, with conventional processing power. ?♂️
I've been a Windows users all my life and I just switched to the dark side and I love it. Even with more graphics cores on the new M1X(2) will it be able to compete with the AMD graphics cards that has been benchmarked in this thread? Or, I wonder if Apple will release an AMD graphics card with their own silicon? I've heard no rumors about AMD and Apple silicon...? Anyone else?
No, I doubt the next version of the M1 will be anywhere close to these current AMD gpus this early. I think even the Apple Silicon Mac Pro may not be close to 4 W6800x GPUs in terms of computing power, it may be a "lite" version of the Mac Pro.
Eventually though, Apple should catch up with GPU cores so I am sure that it will eventually be better, but not yet
Thank you - I will test out the W6800x Duos later today.That would be great thank. download the Mac version from here:
instructions are here:
The redshiftBenchmark tool - Redshift Documentation - Global Site
docs.redshift3d.com
The current leader on the Mac is someone who tested with 2x VegaII Duo's
Unlike Octane, Redshift doesn't scale as linearly once you go beyond 3x - 4x cards, which is why my 2 old 5.1 MacPros running dual 1080Ti's in each still run really well for what I do, would love to know how the new Metal cards compare!
Redshift 3.0.45 Metal Benchmark Results
The results we be in minutes, current relevant results are:
Apple M1 - 37:21
MP 7.1 32 Threads - AMD Radeon Pro Vega 64 - 12:01
MP 7.1 32 Threads - AMD Radeon Pro W5700X 16GB - 10:38
MP 7.1 16 Threads - AMD Radeon VII 16 GB - 08:56
MP 7.1 12 Threads - AMD Radeon RX 5700XT 8GB x 2 - 06:27
MP 7.1 32 Threads - AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT - 06:43
MP 7.1 32 Threads - AMD Radeon Pro W5700X 16GB x 2 - 05:46
MP 7.1 32 Threads - AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT - 05:26
MP 7.1 32 Threads- AMD Radeon Pro Vega II Duo 32GB x 2 - 02:10
I first tested out 2x Vega ii, this is what I got:
Redshift 3.0.45 (macOS)
CPU: 56 threads, 2.50 GHz, 96.00 GB
GPU(s): [AMD Radeon Pro Vega II 32 GB 0.072ms], [AMD Radeon Pro Vega II 32 GB 0.073ms]
Time: 00h:04m:00s
Posted this morning:
Lou
Pro W6800X Duo versus other GPUs in Mac Pro 2019
real world speed test results for performance minded Macintosh users
barefeats.com
Lou
Ok I ran the test on the four GPUs, seems to be the fastest ever for the Mac.That would be great thank. download the Mac version from here:
instructions are here:
The redshiftBenchmark tool - Redshift Documentation - Global Site
The current leader on the Mac is someone who tested with 2x VegaII Duo's
Unlike Octane, Redshift doesn't scale as linearly once you go beyond 3x - 4x cards, which is why my 2 old 5.1 MacPros running dual 1080Ti's in each still run really well for what I do, would love to know how the new Metal cards compare!
Redshift 3.0.45 Metal Benchmark Results
The results we be in minutes, current relevant results are:
Apple M1 - 37:21
MP 7.1 32 Threads - AMD Radeon Pro Vega 64 - 12:01
MP 7.1 32 Threads - AMD Radeon Pro W5700X 16GB - 10:38
MP 7.1 16 Threads - AMD Radeon VII 16 GB - 08:56
MP 7.1 12 Threads - AMD Radeon RX 5700XT 8GB x 2 - 06:27
MP 7.1 32 Threads - AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT - 06:43
MP 7.1 32 Threads - AMD Radeon Pro W5700X 16GB x 2 - 05:46
MP 7.1 32 Threads - AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT - 05:26
MP 7.1 32 Threads- AMD Radeon Pro Vega II Duo 32GB x 2 - 02:10
1 minute and 46 seconds!
GPU(s): [AMD Radeon PRO W6800X Duo 32 GB 0.075ms], [AMD Radeon PRO W6800X Duo 32 GB 0.064ms], [AMD Radeon PRO W6800X Duo 32 GB 0.065ms], [AMD Radeon PRO W6800X Duo 32 GB 0.072ms]
Time: 00h:01m:46s
With the big dual or quad setups I would understand but this already looks really bad compared to single 6800/6900 consumer grade GPUs.
They better have a trick or ten up their sleeve for their next generation chips or the Silicon MP will be little more than a doorstop at release time considering how GPU acceleration is finally creeping into all the relevant apps these days.
Well the thing to consider is that the M1 is like a 25W SOC at most; and those dedicated GPUs are drawing 200-400W.
For what it is, the M1 is impressive; but we will need to wait with baited breath to see how well Apple can scale the design up. Even if Apple can match the performance at 100W it will be a big deal.
M1 also has other shortcuts like no dedicated VRAM, and the memory being rather slow. All these save on power, but they may not work for larger GPUs. Memory bandwidth will essentially cap performance.
I'm not sure what the power scaling will look like, but it won't be linear. The subsystems M1 is built on don't scale to larger GPUs.
The only truly honest answer is 'we don't know'. There are no AMD drivers for the M1 systems, but there is no M1 system with an AMD GPU (and whether eGPU support is forthcoming or not, these are the systems least likely to make use of it anyway). If AMD even knows what the situation is with future Macs, it knows better than to tell. There have been rumours previously reported of Apple developing its own discrete GPUs- which would be logical- but only time will tell. I very much doubt that whatever comes in the AS Mac Pro (or Pros) will be as tightly integrated, and limited, as the M1. Apple doesn't want or need it to be a big seller. But it'll want it to sell, and for that to happen it knows it has to meet the needs of the target markets. They made a point of listening to customers for the 7,1. I really don't see them turning round and saying 'Up to 1.5TB of expandable RAM? Eight slots? Four GPUs with 128GB? Loads of Thunderbolt 3 ports? Internal drive bays? You don't need any of that'.
The rumor is actually that the 7,1-form-factor will continue using Intel CPUs indefinitely. Which would be one way to solve the problem.
(Indefinitely meaning that Apple could change their minds later, but there is no defined transition time at present and all planned updates would be Intel.)
wow, great results, thanks so much for doing that, maybe time to finally upgrade!
Can you please do a benchmark for Octane and Redshift compared to vega11 duo & 6900xt. still debating on getting w6800x duo or 2 6900xt to add to my vega ll duo mpx
That is reasonable. I wonder how much improvement future drivers and software optimizations will bring to these gpus though, they don’t seem to be a huge improvement in video work yet.
for 3D it’s a more noticeable improvement. no one seems to have a W6900X yet, so I’m curious what two of those can do, but likely measured gains vs the 6800 for a huge price increase
For me the biggest noticeable limitation of the M1 is RAM. Playback performance with many types of footage was excellent, but once projects got complicated the cracks started to show, and come export time it would literally fail time after time.
Same, I’m desperate for better HEVC 422 10-bit performance, but my experience with a 6900 XT card in my 7,1 showed basically no improvement.