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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Here's the logo
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-files-trademark-vega-2-logo,38225.html
Maybe we'll see it at Computex?
The mMP is starting to shape up?
Cascade Lake Xeon
Vega 2
PCI-e 4
DDR4-2.9 GHz
slurp...
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-files-trademark-vega-2-logo,38225.html
Maybe we'll see it at Computex?
The mMP is starting to shape up?
Cascade Lake Xeon
Vega 2
PCI-e 4
DDR4-2.9 GHz
slurp...
Unlikely. It's far more likely they're waiting on the new Xeons. Wouldn't make sense to release a new pro lineup that has the same -W parts as the iMac Pro from a year ago. There's no definite ship date for -W (or -SP for that matter) yet however. SP is out 'next year', and I haven't seen any definitive peep about -W at all.
I would say though that given that the new Xeon line mostly seems about minor improvements in niche areas alongside Spectre/Meltdown mitigations and it's still the same process, plus increasing competition from AMD, we might actually get more reasonable prices from Intel.
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The only thing Apple is waiting on is the right time to introduce a competitor to its iMac line.
I don't get all the Apple apologists again and again saying "Oh, maybe Apple are waiting for xxx to come out before they can make the new Mac Pro".
Apple can't and shouldn't be waiting for ANYTHING, they are already 5 years behind! There is NO excuse for not bringing out the new Mac Pro as soon as possible. Except if they don't really care and don't get the resources to do it. And that is probably why we haven't seen it yet.
OK I promise I won't rant again. It's all I have been doing for the past 5 years in regards to the Mac Pro. Because that's really all we have been able to do. 5 years of endless speculation in multiple threads has yet to materialize to anything but nothing at all.
Apple can't and shouldn't be waiting for ANYTHING, they are already 5 years behind! There is NO excuse for not bringing out the new Mac Pro as soon as possible. Except if they don't really care and don't get the resources to do it. And that is probably why we haven't seen it yet.
OK I promise I won't rant again. It's all I have been doing for the past 5 years in regards to the Mac Pro. Because that's really all we have been able to do. 5 years of endless speculation in multiple threads has yet to materialize to anything but nothing at all.
People are reading to much into the modular thing. Apples own definition of modular is a headless mac and the Mac Pro is allready modular today...
It's bewildering and sad how Apple have ignored and disrespected their traditional core market of creative professionals. Those of us who have stayed are hanging on by a thread, running ancient machines and missing out on the latest technologies and software, ie GPU rendering and VR. Like Nick from GSG I've used the Mac professionally for 20 years, it's a really weird feeling to be without an upgrade path or option for a new workstation.
Exactly. they didn't need to reinvent the wheel here. Most buyers of a Mac Pro just want a flexible platform to run Mac OS and their apps. One that enables them to plug stuff into it and for it to be expanded as needed throughout it's life. Pretty much like the Mac Pro 5,1 was. Most people who buy one of these aren't too bothered about how it looks, it's how it works that is more important.
It's not really worth buying if it's not coming out with the newest processors, especially since it's unlikely Apple is going to break with tradition and update the machine more than one every year at best.
It's not being an "apologist" to note this.
Yes, the whole thing is sad. I think more and more are seeing that even though MacOS is great the rational thing really is to jump the ship.
But Apple has to do two things if this new MacPro is to be a success at and number one is support for Nvidia cards. I and many others have mentioned this before and people don't seem to get that for serious 3D work there is no way around it.
Although AMD has ProRender and a few other renderers support it to only have AMD cards is way too limiting and not a viable option for professionals. It's not ideal but whether one like it or not CUDA is king in this market.
If some of you still don't get it, imagine this: It's like not to be able to run Photoshop or InDesign on your mac cause it only runs on AMD. Yes, there are other good image editors and layout apps but these are the industry standard.
Number two is bang for bucks: We who have used Macs for a while are used to paying a premium for Apple products there is a non-tangible value in ease of use, stability, the quality and so on that we´re willing to pay for right? Macs have never been cheap and that's ok but now the limit is pushed so far that it is really hard to justify the value. Many just need a machine that's screaming fast and although Xeons and ECC are nice things to have they are not a necessity for many. And that is a trend that also comes down to value. In the 3D business many users have stopped purchasing Quadro cards and buying Geforce cards instead. Why? Cause for one Quadro card you can have like four Geforce cards and still have money to buy another one if a card should fail.
In Norway, the iMac Pro starts at $6575 (!) and the performance for Workstation you can get for the same price is soooo much higher, and you get a flexible machine which you can have for a long time just like the 5,1.
If Apple wants to be back in the game they have to offer something with a lot more value than they have been lately. And I really don't see how they can manage to pull it off with the "low" volume of the MacPro without going with a more standardized solution like PCI slots and such.
That doesn't make any sense - if the MP is released using the latest CPUs, but isn't updated frequently, you are stuck with outdated technology fairly soon anyways .
A year or so doesn't make much of a difference here .
Especially if the major components are not upgradable .
The issues are Apple not updating the MP frequently, the current MP not being upgradable in a reasonable way, and - most importantly - no improved MP design having been released in years .
Apple had ample time to correct the tcMP mistake, and offer a usable, future-proof workstation, but simply has chosen not to do so .
Claiming component development is a valid reason for that, while every single other computer manufacturer seems to cope with it just fine, is apologetic indeed .
I'm not saying that Apple waiting for hardware excuses them not releasing a new Mac Pro at all, I'm talking about releasing a new Mac Pro now.
They could release it now, make it user upgradeable and update it yearly. It’s been almost two years from the first mea culpa, they should have released something by now.
Again, they'd be releasing a machine with processors that are now fourteen months old. That makes no sense versus waiting, regardless of whether they're going to update it yearly or whether it's upgradable.
They've already told people repeatedly that it's a 2019 machine. There should be no one surprised by their timetable; either you are fine waiting, you buy another product as a replacement or stopgap, or you switch to another vendor.
...but that's 46 months newer than the MP6,1 CPUs!
What surprises me is that they chose to make it a 2019 product, but yes, you’re right, it probably would be worse to release it right now.
They should have released it early 2018, though. It’s not like they didn’t have time and they certainly don’t lack the resources.
That would be the third. They’ve been having one of those annually since 2017.
It is a new tradition...
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Interesting, anyway new technologies will appear every next day for sure. At some point Apple has to design a Mac Pro, make it modular / upgradeable and release it. They can update it after a year, if they want, or as soon as possible it is needed to follow the new technologies.
But unfortunately new technologies is not their real problem.
If they really wanted to update the MP, last year's tech or even older would be enough for now and a real advancement, regarding the 6,1.
Another article, another bit on Intel's plans, another day with no solid ship dates.
A bit more detailed this one: https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/12/intel-just-gave-us-a-glimpse-of-the-near-future-of-cpus/