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For the more traditional PC market there really isn't much to do. Macs have about 6-7% of the market and Apple's product update turnover has kept them in that range. The Mac Pro was absolutely not 100% essential is maintaining that at all ( they have currently have it, never lost that percentage range , and didn't really highly focus on Mac Pro). When you have less than 10% of the market and one product is around 1-2% of that 10% ... that product isn't a strategic (flagship) factor.

Good point .
Maybe it's even possible that Apple could maintain that Mac market share without an MP .

But I doubt - possibly due to personal bias - that Apple can do it without a flagship professional workstation .
With such a limited lineup, Apple might lose the majority of corporate customers in a fairly short period of time .
That includes the recepionists' iMacs, field techs' laptops, trainees not using OSX, personal computers not purchased due to lacking exposure to Macs at work, etc ..

Arguably that trend has already started some time ago .

Folks like the arm flap and say that this stall on Mac Pro is all Tim Cook. Jobs' fingerprints are all over this . It aligns up with the strategies he put into place before he stepped down.

I absolutely agree .
Let's not forget it was Jobs who declared the iPad the future of computing .


Not really. Besides Tim Cook came out of operational engineering. Not Sales. Not Marketing. The Market folks have a role. But honestly the Industrial design ( Ive and his elves ) are inhibitors. There may be "too much" product design dogma ( ever thinner iPhones ) now. A real marketing ( not spin master but folks who can do real market analytics ) would be putting some of the breaks on that sooner. [ entry iPad is one example slowly coming out of that mania. ]

I believe Cook worked in sales and marketing for most or all of his career, regardless of his education .
But as you said , that's not necessarily a bad thing - unless it unbalances the priorities inside a company that makes a product more complex than ball hats .
In that respect the above linked Jobs interview is spot on ( disregard the irrelevant monopoly part ) .

As for industrial design, that goes hand in hand with marketing strategy at today's Apple .
The original unibody MB-Xs where marvolous both in function and appearance, for example, now the sales/marketing and design guys have reduced the engineers (and yes, the market research guys too ) to cobble together pretty shiny things that kind of work but don't really have to be great at anything but looks .
 
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As either a Windows box or a Hackintosh, this would be a pretty solid workstation...

US$10,000 = 16c/32t CPU, 64GB DDR4 RAM, 44TB storage, & dual WX 9100 GPUs

All in a decent chassis with quality cooling & power...

If we get ANYTHING that comes close to those specs from Apple, it will probably cost twice as much, if not more...

/sadface
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...flagship professional workstation.

Gotta have a flagship professional workstation if Apple expect to continue to push Final Cut & Logic as professional tier software products...
 
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CPU Cooler: Enermax - Liqtech TR4 II 240 102.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($132.33 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock - X399M Taichi Micro ATX TR4 Motherboard ($274.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Flare X 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-2933 Memory ($759.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 2 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($497.99 @ Amazon)
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Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 4 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($697.99 @ Amazon)
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Case Fan: Noctua - NF-S12A PWM chromax.black.swap 63.27 CFM 120mm Fan ($22.90 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua - NF-A14 PWM chromax.black.swap 82.52 CFM 140mm Fan ($24.90 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua - NF-A14 PWM chromax.black.swap 82.52 CFM 140mm Fan ($24.90 @ Amazon)
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As either a Windows box or a Hackintosh, this would be a pretty solid workstation...

US$10,000 = 16c/32t CPU, 64GB DDR4 RAM, 44TB storage, & dual WX 9100 GPUs

All in a decent chassis with quality cooling & power...

If we get ANYTHING that comes close to those specs from Apple, it will probably cost twice as much, if not more...

/sadface
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Gotta have a flagship professional workstation if Apple expect to continue to push Final Cut & Logic as professional tier software products...

And I'm left wondering what the point of having 28TB of spinning rust in my computer is, let alone 16TB of SSDs split across a bunch of disks. What use case is this targeting (keeping in mind that the vast majority of workstations are nowhere near the $10K price tag?)

Again, the cheese grater Mac Pros didn't meet this target you've set. No pro computer Apple has sold ever has. People expecting it are deluding themselves.

Folks like the arm flap and say that this stall on Mac Pro is all Tim Cook. Jobs' fingerprints are all over this . It aligns up with the strategies he put into place before he stepped down. The overall market changed and the Mac Pro wasn't a primary growth factor ( not just for Macs but the overall classic PC market). Stake out the profitable (and growing) approximately 10% is straight out of Jobs playbook. Apple doesn't have to beat Microsoft/Windows in volume to 'win'. (Jobs declared the "PC wars" over back in the 90's. ).

Admittedly we've been in the current Mac Pro desert for a while, but people were talking about the neglect and death of the Mac Pro way back in 2010 and 2011 while Jobs was very much alive. I haven't forgotten.
 
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And I'm left wondering what the point of having 28TB of spinning rust in my computer is, let alone 16TB of SSDs split across a bunch of disks. What use case is this targeting (keeping in mind that the vast majority of workstations are nowhere near the $10K price tag?)

Again, the cheese grater Mac Pros didn't meet this target you've set. No pro computer Apple has sold ever has. People expecting it are deluding themselves.

Again, this is an exercise to show what US$10k can get on the PC / Hackintosh side of things...

The chassis that was picked was the smallest commercial chassis that could fit the microATX motherboard, which is the smallest motherboard that can handle a Threadripper CPU...

The storage chosen was simply to fill all available drive slots in the chassis & on the motherboard, with the highest capacity...

Two of the storage devices are M.2 NVMe SSDs, which take up almost no space on the motherboard itself, no cables needed; a reminder that M.2 SSDs were not a thing when the Cheese Grater Mac Pros roamed the Earth...

And towards the cheese grater storage capacity, I had four 3.5" HDDs (with the Apple RAID card) set as RAID 5 in my last cheese grater; the Fractal Design chassis just happens to have room for three 2.5" SSDs behind the motherboard tray & two 3.5" HDDs down with the PSU...

Why 28TB of spinning rust...? Mirrored Time Capsule array...

Would I actually want something like the outlined build...? Not really, but again, it was an exercise to show what US$10k gets you; we can only hope Apple will give us something remotely close (excessive storage & dual GPUs aside) for that US$10k...

Personally, I would build up an ITX Hackintosh with a Ryzen 5 3600 CPU, 32GB of DDR4-2933 RAM, a 2TB M.2 NVMe SSD, & a Radeon RX 3080 GPU; all housed in a NCASE M1 chassis (12 liters in volume) with a 450 watt Platinum-rated SFX PSU...

THAT should be at best a $2.5k machine in the PC / Hackintosh world, so Apple would probably charge about $4k or so...And it wouldn't be a Mac Pro, but it WOULD be a sweet xMac...! ;^p
 
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Personally, I would build up an ITX Hackintosh with a Ryzen 5 3600 CPU, 32GB of DDR4-2933 RAM, a 2TB M.2 NVMe SSD, & a Radeon RX 3080 GPU; all housed in a NCASE M1 chassis (12 liters in volume) with a 450 watt Platinum-rated SFX PSU...
If we are going by our dream machines:

6-8C Ryzen CPU, 16 GB 2800 MHz, 1.2v RAM, 256 GB NVMe+ 512 GB SATA 3 SSD, RX 3060, Streacom DB2 Fanless chassis, 460W fanless PSU, Microsoft's Linux Distro that allows 1:1 Windows software with 0% difference between both platforms.

Greatest Mac of all time.
 
Microsoft's Linux Distro that allows 1:1 Windows software with 0% difference between both platforms.

Greatest Mac of all time.

WLinux is a $20 open-source, Debian-based distribution, designed to run on Windows 10's Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL).

The WSL allows Windows 10 to run various GNU/Linux distros inside Windows as Microsoft Store apps, providing access to Ubuntu, openSUSE, Debian, Fedora, Kali Linux, and others.

The WSL has disadvantages over a running a dedicated GNU/Linux system. For example, there's no official support for desktop environments or graphical applications, and I/O performance bottlenecks, but it is being improved over time.

So, I have to buy Windows 10, then I have to buy the MS Linux distro...? And I am basically running Linux inside of/on top of Windows 10...?

No thanks, I will stick with macOS...
 
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Admittedly we've been in the current Mac Pro desert for a while, but people were talking about the neglect and death of the Mac Pro way back in 2010 and 2011 while Jobs was very much alive. I haven't forgotten.

It's good to hear that somebody remembers, Apple certainly doesn't ;) .

It could be argued that at this point in time the Mac Pro is virtually dead, in the sense that there isn't a viable model on sale .
That it's been neglected for quite a while is obvious .
 
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It's good to hear that somebody remembers, Apple certainly doesn't ;) .

It could be argued that at this point in time the Mac Pro is virtually dead, in the sense that there isn't a viable model on sale .
That it's been neglected for quite a while is obvious .
Basically if I were recommending Apple a path forward that still agreed with their consumer focus, I'd recommend they produce a form factor that had enough flexibility for internal and external expansion that they *could* ignore it and put it on the back burner. Revise it every two years if you want, just stick it on a regular schedule so there's never any concern about buying or waiting based on possible updates.
 
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WLinux is a $20 open-source, Debian-based distribution, designed to run on Windows 10's Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL).

The WSL allows Windows 10 to run various GNU/Linux distros inside Windows as Microsoft Store apps, providing access to Ubuntu, openSUSE, Debian, Fedora, Kali Linux, and others.

The WSL has disadvantages over a running a dedicated GNU/Linux system. For example, there's no official support for desktop environments or graphical applications, and I/O performance bottlenecks, but it is being improved over time.

So, I have to buy Windows 10, then I have to buy the MS Linux distro...? And I am basically running Linux inside of/on top of Windows 10...?

No thanks, I will stick with macOS...
No. What I meant was about proper, Microsoft Linux distribution, that there is speculation about, currently, that MIcrosoft may in future release their own Linux Distro, for Desktop and mobile usage.

Proper like Ubuntu, or Linux Mint.
 
That makes the Mac a mini modular then, yet all you can replace on that is the memory and fan... one would hope Apples idea for a modular Mac Pro it’ll no doubt charge thousands for, will actually let you change more than that! But this is Apple who just lurves soldering stuff to the motherboard..

Well, the memory doesn't count as «modules». Keyboard, monitor and such do.

However, in the press release of the iMac Pro Apple states that they are working on next-generation Mac Pro and it will be upgradable. It remains to see exactly what that means but I take it as a positive sign that they even mention it.
 
"Speculation about" future Microsoft native Linux options is like "speculation about" future ATI GPUs. Mental masturbation. Have some paper towels to clean your keyboard.
Then it is the same thing as your speculation that Next Mac Pro will fulfill your needs, Aiden ;).

Maybe its you who should follow your own advice? ;)
 
Then it is the same thing as your speculation that Next Mac Pro will fulfill your needs, Aiden ;).

Maybe its you who should follow your own advice? ;)
This is a nonsensical post. I certainly never posted anywhere that I was looking forward to the MP7,1 for my personal system.

You need more paper towels.
 
Windows is still too dominant OS for MS to even consider moving to a Linux distro. When Windows still has more than 80% share of client PCs while Linux still hangs around less than 2%. You simply don't give up the market position unless you are forced to. Why self destruct and give the keys to Linux when Linux simply is no threat at all on Client PC space.
 
This is a nonsensical post. I certainly never posted anywhere that I was looking forward to the MP7,1 for my personal system.

You need more paper towels.
You were the one who was saying what next Mac Pro has to have for it to be "Proper" Mac Pro. Therefore you speculated about it.
Windows is still too dominant OS for MS to even consider moving to a Linux distro. When Windows still has more than 80% share of client PCs while Linux still hangs around less than 2%. You simply don't give up the market position unless you are forced to. Why self destruct and give the keys to Linux when Linux simply is no threat at all on Client PC space.
The specualtion first began between the developers, when Microsoft released Linux for Azure. Then, after MS released 60000 patents for open source use on Linux, the speculation went bigger and even journalists, and tech anlysts are speculating about this possibility, that Microsoft could release their own, Linux Distro, for desktop use.

Here is exact article/editorial about it: https://www.zdnet.com/article/ms-linux-lindows-could-microsoft-release-a-desktop-linux/
 
Then it is the same thing as your speculation that Next Mac Pro will fulfill your needs, Aiden ;).

Maybe its you who should follow your own advice? ;)

This is a nonsensical post. I certainly never posted anywhere that I was looking forward to the MP7,1 for my personal system.

A Mac Pro could never fulfill my needs....

One of my needs is "no Apple tax" ! ;)

Then what are you doing in Apple Mac Pro thread and forum?

Yeah, everybody on this board should already know that AidenShaw is an HP crony who gets paid to constantly bash on Apple and recommend everyone buy Z workstations instead. :D
 
Yeah, everybody on this board should already know that AidenShaw is an HP crony who gets paid to constantly bash on Apple and recommend everyone buy Z workstations instead. :D

Noone pays a dime to have Apple bashed, Apple does all the damage by themselves ! ;)
Certain though some of the iOS disciples aren't 100% kosher .
 
To get this thread back on track, if that is really even possible...

Lisa Su has said that 7nm Vega is not for the consumer market, & the new MI50 & MI60 cards are labeled as "datacenter GPUs" & have no external monitor connections...

But the iMac Pro is based on the Radeon Pro Vega 56 & 64, and these are custom packages for Apple, as are the MBP Vega GPUs...?

So, what I am getting at is, do you think we might get "special to Apple" Radeon Pro Vega II 7nm GPUs as options in the forthcoming modular Mac Pro...?!?

And keep in mind we are getting Small Navi GPUs coming up, with Big Navi behind that...

The Big Navi GPUs are what I could see Apple offering (but only thru them for the "proper" card...) as part of the "modular" aspect of the new Mac Pro...

The last sentence presupposes that we actually get the new Mac Pro sooner rather than later come 2019...

If the mMP is later in 2019, then we might just see them released with Big Navi GPU options...?!?

In other news; Intel, AMD, or ARM for the new modular Mac Pro CPU(s)...!?! ;^p

Thanks AppleBama...!
 
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