MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

[goMac]

Didn't Microsoft try something like this with their Suface / Surface 2 models only to switch to x64 processors in the Surface 3? IMO moving to ARM on the Macintosh would be problematic as software would no longer run natively on the platform.

Windows for ARM is not dead. The entry level surface that launched in 2018 was almost ARM. At the last second Intel swooped in and made a special deal with Microsoft to keep it on x86.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/24/17776668/intel-microsoft-surface-go-arm-processor-choice

You can still get Windows 10 for ARM separately and install it on something. They provide a free stripped down version for Raspberry Pi.

But it's not a technical issue. Microsoft has been prepping developers, and Intel can't keep paying Microsoft off forever.

If Apple did dual binaries (which seems likely) they could have a different strategy at the high end and the low end, which is the same thing Microsoft is planning right now. So I don't know if we need to worry about what's going on at the low end yet.
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Even if they can force all Mac apps to recompile/rewrite for ARM

They can and will. There's no "if" here. It's happening. As sure as the sun will come up tomorrow, there will be a WWDC within the next few years where Apple tells everyone that all their Mac apps need to run on ARM, or they won't have a Mac app any more.

Apple is already adding to Xcode tests developers can run to see if their apps are "modern" Mac apps. My guess is anything "modern" will compile with no changes on ARM. The transition has already started, it's just happening quietly.

one of the advantages of Intel Macs (in the more professional space) is that they do a pretty good job running Windows CAD/GIS/3D modeling/scientific packages while still giving you MacOS for e-mail/Safari/office use/graphics.

They don't have to move the entire lineup to ARM.

The big PC packages will never recompile for ARM unless high-end ARM PCs start appearing.

Everybody keeps talking about recompiling for ARM like it's a big deal. I don't think for most packages it is. A lot simpler than the move to PowerPC. I mean, what do people think the problem is? ARM and Intel are actually pretty close. Unless you're writing assembly, it should just be a straight recompile. I think the only big issue on the Mac side is if something like OpenGL goes away, which isn't really a processor thing.

Also, Microsoft is going to force this on the Windows end too. So it's not like Apple is on their own here.

And Apple doesn't have to move the entire line over, and most likely won't all at once. And Windows is coming to ARM anyway, and Microsoft will push everyone on that end to recompile, so Boot Camp wouldn't necessarily be dead either.

 

[ElderBrE]

Well, after 6 years of playing with MacBook Pros, I have decided I can’t take this throttling **** anymore and need a Mac Pro.

Adding my voice and waiting for this to be released so I can get back to normal, non frustrating computing. Ugh I hate these small machines so much now.

Wish they had just kept the cMP case and kept updating it, it was perfect, probably still is. I should build my next gaming PC in it.

 

[Boil]

Wish they had just kept the cMP case and kept updating it, it was perfect, probably still is. I should build my next gaming PC in it.

Not enough power for modern mid to high end GPUs unless you mod the wiring harness...?

 

[Peace]

If it's not obvious by now folks need to realize Apple does NOT want people upgrading their computers themselves.

 

[flowrider]

^^^^You got it - Took me awhile to realize this. I posted this last week in another thread:

And there will be a lot more pissed off users when the 7,1 MP comes out and folks wanting to upgrade from their 5,1 cMPs, but find out that Apple has made all the connections proprietary, and the expansion slots are not standard. So they can't use good hardware pulled from their old machines.

IMHO, Apple seems to be trying to alienate the few of us left who were really hard core Apple fans, users and supporters.

Shame on Apple

Lou

 

[pat500000]

Computers are only powedul
As their ceo of the company.

Greed and fragile old man.

 

[askunk]

35 years of the Mac and no mention on the website. Apparently, Cook wrote a tweet about it. That's it.

I'm sorry, Steve.

 

[ETN3]

Interesting concept...

 

[mdbradigan]

Interesting concept...

Unfortunately, from what I've seen, approximately 0.00% of that ZoneOfTech guy's "leaks!" are true / accurate. He's just making things up out of thin air... just like the rest of us.

 

[StuAff]

Making things up out of thin air on what one of the world's most secretive tech companies might or might not launch? Surely not.
Another interesting concept....intended as a sort of halfway between the mini and whatever's sitting in that super-secret lab.....
https://www.designbypierre.com/apple-mac-evo.html#

 

[koyoot]

That would be great if it would have HEDT chips(or... AMD mainstream CPUs, with lots of cores), lots of RAM, lots of Storage, a powerful GPU.

That would work as a solution in betwen Mac Mini and Mac Pro, that "everybody" so want.

I have to say: that concept is possible the best I've seen so far... I like this idea, very much.

Let mind go for a second: 16 core Ryzen Desktop CPU, 128 GB's of RAM, AMD Radeon Pro WX 3080 with 8 GB of GDDR6, 512 GB NVMe storage, and 8 TB's in two 2.5 inch drive pockets...
This level of power would be able to be dissipated by that small cooling solution.

Heck, I would be prepared to pay anything up to 30€ for this computer.

 

[pl1984]

Windows for ARM is not dead. The entry level surface that launched in 2018 was almost ARM. At the last second Intel swooped in and made a special deal with Microsoft to keep it on x86.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/24/17776668/intel-microsoft-surface-go-arm-processor-choice

Microsoft will be thanking Intel. The Surface and Surface 2 did not do well at all in the marketplace. I would think a non-Intel Surface Go would fail too.

You can still get Windows 10 for ARM separately and install it on something. They provide a free stripped down version for Raspberry Pi.

Doesn't surprise me. There are a lot of hobbyist operating systems out there.

But it's not a technical issue. Microsoft has been prepping developers, and Intel can't keep paying Microsoft off forever.

If Apple did dual binaries (which seems likely) they could have a different strategy at the high end and the low end, which is the same thing Microsoft is planning right now. So I don't know if we need to worry about what's going on at the low end yet.

Macintosh sales increased as soon as the Macintosh could natively run Windows. IMO the ability to natively run Windows applications will remain an important aspect of the Macintosh. If the Mac loses that ability it will begin to lose appeal.

 

[AidenShaw]

Making things up out of thin air on what one of the world's most secretive tech companies might or might not launch? Surely not.
Another interesting concept....intended as a sort of halfway between the mini and whatever's sitting in that super-secret lab.....
https://www.designbypierre.com/apple-mac-evo.html#

Oh, that's proprietary to the max. Kiss of death in the market.

 

[0388631]

For the new Pro not to be DoA, it needs to resemble a custom PC build with no proprietary ********. Ease of upgrading, plenty of space, good air movement, etc. Screw Apple and their size constraints. Pros don't give a **** about how much space a non-mobile unit takes up.

 

[OS6-OSX]

If it's not obvious by now folks need to realize Apple does NOT want people upgrading their computers themselves.

Just the other day I was at the Apple Museum of Modern Art. This piece didn't have a title and I stood there for 2hrs looking for it's deeper meaning. An Apple genius was there on his lunch break and enlightened me. "It's the future of customers upgrading Apple computers!"

 

[Aldaris]

For the new Pro not to be DoA, it needs to resemble a custom PC build with no proprietary ********. Ease of upgrading, plenty of space, good air movement, etc. Screw Apple and their size constraints. Pros don't give a **** about how much space a non-mobile unit takes up.

I’m sure it will be DOA.

3 years till the “oh ****we don’t have something other than the iMac pro” another 3 and nothing... so it’s 3 years of engineering into another corner.

 

[0388631]

I’m sure it will be DOA.

3 years till the “oh ****we don’t have something other than the iMac pro” another 3 and nothing... so it’s 3 years of engineering into another corner.

Don't jinx it!

The biggest focus areas will be the ability to use dual GPU cards, whether from AMDs regular or professional line. A beefy PSU. The ability to add expansion cards, NVME SSDs, and plenty of ports without the use of hubs and cables.

At some point Mac professionals will have to venture out to OEMs like Dell, HP, Puget Systems, Storm, et al. to get what they want if Apple can't offer it. Plus they can used Quadro cards on those!

 

[mattspace]

I’m sure it will be DOA.

3 years till the “oh ****we don’t have something other than the iMac pro” another 3 and nothing... so it’s 3 years of engineering into another corner.

In the process of completely rethinking the Mac Pro, we realised that all our Macs were "Mac Pros" for somebody. Professionals from all walks of life use the Mac to get their work done, and so we've come up with a completely new concept for the Mac Pro. I'd like to show you a video to explain it.

<a bunch of trademark Ive design waffle in which a lot of words are used to say very little, apart from gushing about the materials technology and surface treatments. The video shows lots of silhouetted closeups, and in the background, familiar shapes of iMacs and Macbooks, with what look like vertical boxes next to them, and extra displays.>

And now, I'd like to show you the new Mac Pro.
<slide shows the existing computers, with eGPUs and Apple "Pro" displays>
This is the new Mac Pro - it's a system, not a product. We think our existing computers are so good, that everyone should be able to get their work done with them, and when you need more power, or more screen space, our modular, expandable, and upgradable system of displays, storage and external graphics will give you the power, and upgradability you've been looking for.

This is the most amazing thing ever. Apple in one swoop turned every Mac in to a Mac Pro. This is the way the entire computing industry is going to be.

*Crickets*

This just proves that computers are on the way out, and (tablets / whatever Apple is selling now) is the future.

 

[barmann]

Interesting concept...

Terrific . An iMac with tablets blocking the keyboard and a wireless shiny thing . Productivity galore .
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Making things up out of thin air on what one of the world's most secretive tech companies might or might not launch? Surely not.
Another interesting concept....intended as a sort of halfway between the mini and whatever's sitting in that super-secret lab.....
https://www.designbypierre.com/apple-mac-evo.html#

It's a trashcan MP without a hole on top - we'd have to find a new moniker , and I'm not sure there's enough energy left in the Mac community to christen another failure .

 

[StuAff]

Terrific . An iMac with tablets blocking the keyboard and a wireless shiny thing . Productivity galore .
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It's a trashcan MP without a hole on top - we'd have to find a new moniker , and I'm not sure there's enough energy left in the Mac community to christen another failure .

Cube......

 

[barmann]

I’m sure it will be DOA.

3 years till the “oh ****we don’t have something other than the iMac pro” another 3 and nothing... so it’s 3 years of engineering into another corner.

Unfortunately, that's what the evidence is pointing to .
That Apple will release some sort of tcMP again .

And I don't think there would be another Waiting for Mac Pro thread if that happened, as noone would be expecting the arrival of a decent MP any longer . Then what would we do on the internets ?

I'm still clinging to hope though .

 

[koyoot]

https://twitter.com/momomo_us/status/1089723752856743944

Intel Xeon W-3175X average power: 510W

Hoooray for efficient designs!

Wait, who has said lately, that Intel's Workstation products Power envelopes haven't moved at all, in recent years?

 

[Kpjoslee]

https://twitter.com/momomo_us/status/1089723752856743944

Intel Xeon W-3175X average power: 510W

Hoooray for efficient designs!

Wait, who has said lately, that Intel's Workstation products Power envelopes haven't moved at all, in recent years?

Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that Xeon is unlocked and overclockable which isn't much different from Skylake-X HEDT processors, but only with Xeon monikor?

 

[ManuelGomes]

Xeon? Unlocked? Since when?
[doublepost=1548699271][/doublepost]Those are not enthusiast CPUs, not intended for overclocking, nor running out of spec.
[doublepost=1548699364][/doublepost]Maybe some ES in the wild, but surely not the regular SKUs.

 

[deconstruct60]

https://twitter.com/momomo_us/status/1089723752856743944

Intel Xeon W-3175X average power: 510W

Hoooray for efficient designs!

Wait, who has said lately, that Intel's Workstation products Power envelopes haven't moved at all, in recent years?

Intel is playing games with the W-3175X.

First, the list price is s $8K
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13788/intels-unlocked-28-core-xeon-w-3175x-oem-tells-us-around-8k-usd
Like Apple would just out of their seat to pay $8K for a CPU. [ Yes at the end of the article folks are reporting that folks have haggled Intel down to $4.5K for the privilege. But that's basically the gimmick ... set the price in the ridiculous range so some folks will claim they got a "bargain" at over $4K. There are some extremely narrow corner cases where this makes sense as a CPU , but as a "meat and potatoes" workstation CPU it does not. ]


Very similar to the game that Intel is playing with i9 9990XE which can only be back at auction by OEMS.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13804/intel-core-i9-9990xe-up-to-5-ghz-auction-only

The notion that Apple would be lining up to participate for a component they may or may not get for a product. ( It wouldn't be very surprising if this 3175X had pragmatically similar available in limited quantities each quarter aspects to it also.)

Second, It isn't even the same socket!!!!! How likely to create another even smaller quantity run motherboard for a even more expensive product? They can't even get the socket that is the same for the iMac Pro out the door in a reasonable amount of time and they already have one.


Third, in the price range in the Xeon W class that Apple has historically used. $400-2K it hasn't changed. But yes Intel is throwing shotgun blasts at the wall because they are largely stuck for another year or so. The highly dubious aspect is whether Apple is going to chase all of those short term gimmicks.

Being this is a Mac Pro forum .... that's would be the more salient issue. In the core of the Xeon E5 / Xeon W range that Apple is likely to use it hasn't moved. What Intel ( and Dell/HP/Lenevoare doing in "price is no object" workstation ) is doing outside of what Apple is likely to pursue isn't particularly productive. Apple isn't going to 'fail' in the workstation market if they don't have a ~$6K ( 4.5K + 30+% markup) CPU system. I'm sure there will be some who will state that processor is essential but it isn't.