MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

[mavericks7913]

are they ?

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/11/apple-walks-ars-through-the-ipad-pros-a12x-system-on-a-chip/

Once get out of wading through the single thread drag racing benchmarks, the A12x would have to improve by 38% to even get to parity with the MBP 15" 2018. Funny how when AMD x86 solutions were 20-30% behind Intel solution they were a 'dog' and Apple shouldn't touch them with 10 foot pool.... but Apple 30+% behind ... well just around the corner and they're great.


No Thunderbolt (and PCI-e lane provisioning) . No USB 3.1 gen2 , one internal drive , drives 3+ screens ... nope. And that is all with Intel behind on process tech. When Intel moves forward and next gen "big" A series just does small increment 7nm 7++nm , they likely aren't going to make up huge ground just on process gains.

Apple could goose these short duration geekbench score by throwing a couple more low power, 'small cores' in there that can light up for the duration of this kind of benchmark .... but that is mostly just a cheat on substantive , longer duration workloads.

[ The iMac Pro is about 37,129 on other charts in that article. That is 106% improvement just to catch up. Just to put some Mac pro context on this. ]


Dropping Intel in the one port wonder MacBook, sure. Same number of ports as iPad Pro. No Thunderbolt. Maybe drive two monitors. .... a match better match in direction. Apple could make it even thinner. ( whereas should really stop screwing with anorexia with the MBP line up. ). If Apple's objective is to crank out range laptops that consists of two pieces of glass wrapped in aluminum shell ( https://www.macrumors.com/2019/02/04/apple-exploring-new-glass-panel-keyboards/ ) then sure they probably need their ARM SoC. But not sure why they need to take macOS that way. iOS would work too if on that kind of quest. Lots of folks there already happy with typing on zero key travel, glass keyboards. Decoupling the Mac from the OCD objective would. That mania was a contributing facto to walking the Mac Pro into a design corner. Detaching folks primarily fixated on that from the Mac product line would probably result in an improvement.

They are planning to start replacing MacBook with their own processor from 2020. Check the news first.

 

[AidenShaw]

They are planning to start replacing MacBook with their own processor from 2020. Check the news first.

Please post a link to the official announcement from Apple that MacBooks are moving from Intel to A-series.

If you can't find the link, perhaps this is just a rumour that's been repeated so many times that is it accepted as fact.

 

[Nugget]

If you can't find the link, perhaps this is just a rumour that's been repeated so many times that is it accepted as fact.

Yeah, it completely baffles me how confidently this community seems to believe in the eventual ARM migration of Apple's computer product line. Nobody knows and we're all just guessing. There are some good arguments for the theory and some embarrassingly poor arguments as well. Best you can say is that we'll see.

 

[mavericks7913]

Please post a link to the official announcement from Apple that MacBooks are moving from Intel to A-series.

If you can't find the link, perhaps this is just a rumour that's been repeated so many times that is it accepted as fact.

https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/apple-macbook-arm-cpu
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/apples-2020-macbooks-could-arrive-with-arm-inside-branding/
https://www.imore.com/how-mac-will-go-arm
https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...0-or-2021-apple-car-in-2023-says-ming-chi-kuo
https://9to5mac.com/2018/08/16/arm-mac-versus-intel/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...an-move-from-intel-to-own-mac-chips-from-2020

Apple does not need to announce it till 2020 or 2021 lol. Also, Microsoft already made a computer with ARM for Windows 10.

 

[Nugget]

That sure looks a lot like "...a rumour that's been repeated so many times that is it accepted as fact."

 

[mavericks7913]

That sure looks a lot like "...a rumour that's been repeated so many times that is it accepted as fact."

LOL then we will see in 2020. What you gonna say if they really announce it with their processor between 2020~2021?

 

[namethisfile]

LOL then we will see in 2020. What you gonna say if they really announce it with their processor between 2020~2021?

We're gonna say, "You were right. And, we're sorry for ever doubting your vision of the future."

 

[mavericks7913]

We're gonna say, "You were right. And, we're sorry for ever doubting your vision of the future."

What more do I have to say? Windows 10 already implemented for ARM-based computer. Too bad then.

 

[AidenShaw]

What more do I have to say? Windows 10 already implemented for ARM-based computer. Too bad then.

Then we'll say that "Apple lags the competition yet again".

 

[mavericks7913]

Then we'll say that "Apple lags the competition yet again".

Wait till 2020~2021 then lol.

 

[Nugget]

LOL then we will see in 2020. What you gonna say if they really announce it with their processor between 2020~2021?

I'm not saying they aren't going to do it. I'm saying it's folly to talk like we know for certain that they are. We don't. We have no idea, and all the links you provided are just self-referencing guesses couched in slippery conjecture words.

 

[JesterJJZ]

This sucks. Can we get back to arguing whether or not the new MacPro will have pcie slots and drive bays?

 

[AidenShaw]

I'm not saying they aren't going to do it. I'm saying it's folly to talk like we know for certain that they are. We don't. We have no idea, and all the links you provided are just self-referencing guesses couched in slippery conjecture words.

We have no idea, for sure.

It's also possible that Apple will launch something that's somewhere in between an Ipad and a MacBook, using ARM.

ChromeBooks have shown that there's a market for low cost, low performance systems for web/email/social-stupidity - but with a native keyboard/pointer UI.

Perhaps the "everything will be ARM" rumours are based on some leaks of a Chromebook like ARM offering from Apple.

 

[namethisfile]

Looks like the thread is turning into "Waiting for iPadNotebook 1,1 (Return of the RISC)"

 

[boomspot]

Still waiting for any info on new Mac Pro ... Sold my 3,1 years ago, still have a 2015 MBP, built a fast Windows box for the heavy lifting. Still, I would like to see an updated Mac Pro! Think we'll hear something by June?

B

 

[wallysb01]

This sucks. Can we get back to arguing whether or not the new MacPro will have pcie slots and drive bays?

How about a corner? I’d be happy if it had a few of those.

 

[JesterJJZ]

How about a corner? I’d be happy if it had a few of those.

Eight would be preferable.

 

[OS6-OSX]

We at Apple have read every word in this thread! For the up coming Mac Pros we are going to do something that is unprecedented. Two weeks before they are for sale we will post a video
demonstrating the sheer power of these machines.
Software titles will include:
1. Houdini
2. Nuke
3. MAYA
4. Avid
5. Premiere

Use CUDA? There will be enough PCIe slots to have over 10,000 CUDA cores on board! The amount of RAM will be.......

 

[barmann]

This sucks. Can we get back to arguing whether or not the new MacPro will have pcie slots and drive bays?

That's the spirit !!

 

[Dean Yu]

Vega 7 Reviews out. Not quite there but hey, the full fat version would surely be better at triple the cost rite?
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13923/the-amd-radeon-vii-review

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Vega 7 Reviews out. Not quite there but hey, the full fat version would surely be better at triple the cost rite?
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13923/the-amd-radeon-vii-review

Bear in mind as usual these are Windows scores so we can only extrapolate the cross platform OpenCL benchmarks and apps. Optimize for Metal will be awesome.

 

[danwells]

And far better at non-gaming tests than games. Given that Apple ignores game performance, focusing exclusively on what GPUs can do in non-gaming situations, this (or a derivative) is a very darn likely Mac Pro GPU, and it sounds like it might be a good one...

Of course, Adobe loves NVidia when they bother to optimize for GPUs at all... Will the Radeon VII and forthcoming relatives be enough to get Adobe to do what Apple wants?

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

And far better at non-gaming tests than games. Given that Apple ignores game performance, focusing exclusively on what GPUs can do in non-gaming situations, this (or a derivative) is a very darn likely Mac Pro GPU, and it sounds like it might be a good one...

Of course, Adobe loves NVidia when they bother to optimize for GPUs at all... Will the Radeon VII and forthcoming relatives be enough to get Adobe to do what Apple wants?

Myth that Adobe 'likes Nvidia'. Adobe has no specific Nvidia optimizations besides a couple of toy filters nobody uses. Adobe's graphic engine is Mercury built on top of CL and GL. Next macOS will likely no longer support either API and Adobe will move fully to Metal.

Gaming is going to move to streaming because the size and complexity of games is progressing faster than desktop and console hardware. If we have to continue downloading and installing games locally the costs for end users will be too high. The games cost, storage costs and GPU costs will be out of reach for many gamers within 5 years. There will always be the option to download and play local for the minority of gamers who have money.

This plan has been in the pipeline for a long time but was waiting for server hardware and bandwidth + costs. Amazon, Apple and others will start to offer it in the near future.

 

[mavericks7913]

Vega 7 Reviews out. Not quite there but hey, the full fat version would surely be better at triple the cost rite?
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13923/the-amd-radeon-vii-review

Sadly AMD does not have flagship grade GPU to compete with Nvidia. Nvidia has 1080TI and Titan. With high-end GPU, they applied those chips to workstation GPU.
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Myth that Adobe 'likes Nvidia'. Adobe has no specific Nvidia optimizations besides a couple of toy filters nobody uses. Adobe's graphic engine is Mercury built on top of CL and GL. Next macOS will likely no longer support either API and Adobe will move fully to Metal.

Gaming is going to move to streaming because the size and complexity of games is progressing faster than desktop and console hardware. If we have to continue downloading and installing games locally the costs for end users will be too high. The games cost, storage costs and GPU costs will be out of reach for many gamers within 5 years. There will always be the option to download and play local for the minority of gamers who have money.

This plan has been in the pipeline for a long time but was waiting for server hardware and bandwidth + costs. Amazon, Apple and others will start to offer it in the near future.

Base on the test, they do.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Photoshop-CC-2018-NVIDIA-GeForce-vs-AMD-Radeon-Vega-1197/
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-2018-NVIDIA-GeForce-vs-AMD-Radeon-Vega-1206/

Game on MacOS is already doomed since they are not supporting Nvidia drivers and OpenCL.
[doublepost=1549566153][/doublepost]The purpose of Mac Pro is too limited because Mac is optimized only for Apple software like final cut pro and they have only 5~6 professional software.

You can still use Adobe or other software but guess what? You are wasting tons of money just to use Mac Pro. Because you get better performance and cheaper price with custom built PC. Also, Mac's cooling system is terrible which is not even good for maintaining high clock speed and low temperature.

The conclusion so far is: Dont get Mac for non-Apple software or you are paying tons of money while you can save a lot of money.

 

[deconstruct60]

Still waiting for any info on new Mac Pro ... ....built a fast Windows box for the heavy lifting. Still, I would like to see an updated Mac Pro! Think we'll hear something by June?

'Something' .... probably by end of April. Something extremely concrete and visual ... maybe not. Something may consist of "the dog ate our homework and it is now a 2020 product".

If looking for a P.T. Barnum show with the Mac Pro as one of the acts then , I wouldn't bet on June. Either earlier or later, but there is nothing substantive pointing toward June other than it is the "broken analog clock is right twice a day" aspect of pointing at WWDC.