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{WARNING} 10.13.3 update may REQUIRE SIP enabled with Nvidia web driver

What are you doing that REQUIRES you to disable SIP on your machine? I am running my authentic MacPro5,1 with GTX 1080 FE and have kept SIP enabled since the 10.13.2 security updates were released. Not running into any issues because of NVIDIA.
 
bsbeamer said:
What are you doing that REQUIRES you to disable SIP on your machine? I am running my authentic MacPro5,1 with GTX 1080 FE and have kept SIP enabled since the 10.13.2 security updates were released. Not running into any issues because of NVIDIA.
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There are a few apps which require to disable kext signing. It's usually apps which go deeper and can mess with the system, such as SwitchResX.
 
I'm running SwitchResX with SIP enabled. Once you setup your resolutions and profiles (with SIP disabled), as long as you're not constantly changing or trying to alter them it's GENERALLY not an issue. macOS should have better native monitor resolution and profile support than they do.
 
bsbeamer said:
I'm running SwitchResX with SIP enabled. Once you setup your resolutions and profiles (with SIP disabled), as long as you're not constantly changing or trying to alter them it's GENERALLY not an issue. macOS should have better native monitor resolution and profile support than they do.
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Sure, but as I see it there are no real reasons to enabling it. On the contrary it's annoying that MacOS not always tells me what's been blocked, unless I go myself under "System Preferences", "Security"

SwitchResX is only one of the apps. Issues with Continuity is another area.
 
100% get it. For me, the inconvenience with driver updates is well worth the tradeoff for NVIDIA drivers that work with non-EFI and non-Apple "approved" GPUs.

SIP just needs to be ENABLED for the driver installation.
 
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bsbeamer said:
What are you doing that REQUIRES you to disable SIP on your machine? I am running my authentic MacPro5,1 with GTX 1080 FE and have kept SIP enabled since the 10.13.2 security updates were released. Not running into any issues because of NVIDIA.
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What am I doing that requires SIP be enabled? Just running normal MacOS 10.13.3. As I said in my initial post, after installing the latest drivers with SIP enabled, everything was very slow. Finder windows would leave artifacts when moved, scrollbars were glacial, any animations inched along. However, playing games was decently fast still. Disabling SIP again fixed the slowness.

This is on a stock 5,1 with a 970. Yes, we have two Mac Pro's.

[RICHR]
 
have you repaired all permissions on kexts and user account?

any chance you’re using APFS format on system SSD?
 
bsbeamer said:
NVIDIA themselves have confirmed that SIP is required to be enabled during the install. This was a change of practice after one of the 10.13.2 security updates for Meltdown/Spectre and will be this way moving forward. This change impacts all legitimate 2010-2012 MacPro 5,1 machines that have not messed around with their device IDs. These machines are not officially EOL'd.

If you have a 2008 3,1 or 2009 4,1 that was flashed/upgraded/hacked/changed to ID as a 5,1 or as an iMac/iMac Pro there is no official support or documentation being provided by NVIDIA. The nature of changing the machine ID to something else is basically "breaking" some of the built-in security within macOS to get around the limitations of installing 10.13. Would not be shocked that SIP being disabled on those machines makes a lot of difference. As mentioned by others, these machines are getting closer to Hackintosh builds and would be a good idea to keep an eye on those forums.
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Agree entirely. At some point, I'm just going to give it up & stop updating both macOS & the NVIDIA drivers that follow it -- most likely right before 10.14 is released. The machine is nearly a decade old and these days I personally am only firing up Bootcamp.
 
rrubel said:
What am I doing that requires SIP be enabled? Just running normal MacOS 10.13.3. As I said in my initial post, after installing the latest drivers with SIP enabled, everything was very slow. Finder windows would leave artifacts when moved, scrollbars were glacial, any animations inched along. However, playing games was decently fast still. Disabling SIP again fixed the slowness.

This is on a stock 5,1 with a 970. Yes, we have two Mac Pro's.

[RICHR]
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That’s because the drivers were not fully active. Under security, there would be a voice called “Allow kext from Nvidia” (or smth like that :)
 
rrubel said:
Is there an issue with AFPS?
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Yes, personally ran into pretty severe speed issues with APFS on non Apple issued SSD. Performance hit of more than 50%. Cloned to an HFS+ formatted drive with CCC and they all went away. Not everyone reported these issues. Wonder if SIP enabled/disabled contributed at all or would have “fixed” temporarily.
 
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Yes, personally ran into pretty severe speed issues with APFS on non Apple issued SSD. Performance hit of more than 50%. Cloned to an HFS+ formatted drive with CCC and they all went away. Not everyone reported these issues. Wonder if SIP enabled/disabled contributed at all or would have “fixed” temporarily.
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FWIW, the only slowdowns were graphics-related. The machine booted and launched programs as fast as ever.

Waiting impatiently for Apple's new Mac Pro, hoping it's as good as these but with more modern specs (I'm missing a faster PCIx bus speed, for example).

[RICHR]
 
Think a lot of us are waiting for the 7,1 Mac Pro. Hopeful it's something that meets the needs of the majority of those looking to upgrade from 5,1's and earlier.
 
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Yes, personally ran into pretty severe speed issues with APFS on non Apple issued SSD. Performance hit of more than 50%. Cloned to an HFS+ formatted drive with CCC and they all went away. Not everyone reported these issues. Wonder if SIP enabled/disabled contributed at all or would have “fixed” temporarily.
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I have five Samsung SSDs, no speed issues here!

Lou
 
Are all APFS format, or HFS+? No issues with HFS+ at all with my 7 Samsung SSDs. Only had issue with APFS on system drive shortly after 10.13 upgrade.
 
bsbeamer said:
What are you doing that REQUIRES you to disable SIP on your machine? I am running my authentic MacPro5,1 with GTX 1080 FE and have kept SIP enabled since the 10.13.2 security updates were released. Not running into any issues because of NVIDIA.
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Being able to boot from windows to MacOS and vice versa. Kind of a big deal.
 
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