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We Are Fed Up With App Store Politics!

Eso

Eso

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Aug 14, 2008
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I'm tired of Apple viewing iPhone customers like this:

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Dear Apple,

I am not an idiot. I can learn how to use third-party applications on the iPhone and even recognize how their functions differ from the default application set.

Between rejecting an update because one of it's icons resembles one in the phone app, forcing Bjango to update their app to remove a core function, to rejecting (or should I say "still considering" :rolleyes:) GV because it would "confuse users" who are trying to use the phone - I'm fed up with the app store shenanigans.

One solution will go a long way to solve any issue consumers may have with the app store - allow applications to be distributed directly by developers and imported into iTunes. Apple can reject or approve any app they want; as long as they are not the sole distributor of 3rd-party apps, I fully support them in hosting whichever apps they want with any limits on functionality they deem fit. I have filed complaints with the following and encourage anyone with issues to make our voices heard!

Apple iPhone Feedback

Better Business Bureau

FTC

FCC

Consumer Affairs
 
This topic will end badly, it will be a war between people like you, and angry Apple fanboys that will defend their practices to the death.

*pulls up a lawn chair, grabs a beer*
 
duelingdragons said:
This topic will end badly, it will be a war between people like you, and angry Apple fanboys that will defend their practices to the death.

*pulls up a lawn chair, grabs a beer*
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Or, you know, Apple can do what it wants.

How come no one writes a petition for GM to make a 3-wheeled vehicle? Or how come no one freaks that Saturns don't have Microsoft Sync? Or why is no one spazzing on Tivo for not having apps at all? Maybe I have some homebrew software that runs on a TiVo, why are they holding me back?

How come Wal-Mart won't sell this widget I conjured up? Who do I write an angry letter to? :rolleyes:

Apple is accountable to their shareholders. If shareholders are happy, they couldn't care less that "people on the internet" are freaking out over lack of MMS (just in the States) or lack of certain google apps (which are generally available as web apps).

I mean ... ya sure, that sucks ... but what are you going to do about it?
 
Valiant effort.
Nice picture.
Right to the point.

However, the picture represents exactly what Apple wants the "core experience" to be.:rolleyes:

If you try and buck the system you are not a "loyal" Apple customer.:rolleyes:

And now you will face the "loyal" Apple\MacRumor wrath.:eek:

Now get your fire extinguisher, sit back and enjoy the flames.:D
 
Viva la revolution!

Oh, sorry, I get caught up in a futile grassroots revolt. If I support your cause I'll probably feel a bit like Sancho Panza. (don't worry, I didn't confuse France with Spain)
 
What's this about the We? :confused::):rolleyes: I didn't know there were We games in the app store. :confused::rolleyes::D

[stop flaming]

As far as some of "us" being upset about how Apple does business, well "we" can go to another product, if "we" are not happy with it. Obviously, "we" are not doing that, so Apple doesn't feel compelled to do business any differently.

[/stop flaming]

[flame]
 
cellocello said:
Or, you know, Apple can do what it wants.

How come no one writes a petition for GM to make a 3-wheeled vehicle? Or how come no one freaks that Saturns don't have Microsoft Sync? Or why is no one spazzing on Tivo for not having apps at all? Maybe I have some homebrew software that runs on a TiVo, why are they holding me back?

How come Wal-Mart won't sell this widget I conjured up? Who do I write an angry letter to? :rolleyes:
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Poor examples. Unless you work in the complaint departments for all those companies, you have no idea what people are writing about. I personally have submitted two designs for a three wheel car to GM in 1979 and 1985.
 
sinsin07 said:
Poor examples. Unless you work in the complaint departments for all those companies, you have no idea what people are writing about. I personally have submitted two designs for a three wheel car to GM in 1979 and 1985.
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You're right - They're weak examples, because there's nothing really analogous to the app store else where in the commercial world.

But I mean ... it's their store. That's the bottom line. Not sure what else anyone can say. If you ran a General Store in a town, the only store in this small town, and I stormed in and demanded that you sell my product - would you give in? Would you just say yes willy nilly? What if I was a huge, multi-billion, multi-national corporation with a competing store (aka Google), would that make you say "Yes! Sounds good!"?

And the truth is, for me anyway, that the truer Apple stays to their vision the richer the competitive field will be. Apple being "extra closed" will force Google to be "extra open" on Android. That service and product differential will benefit everyone in the end.
 
cellocello said:
How come Wal-Mart won't sell this widget I conjured up? Who do I write an angry letter to?
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None of your hypothetical situations are meaningful in this context. For example, Wal-mart is not the sole distributor of widgets. If WalMart doesn't sell your product, you are free to market, distribute, and sell on your own or through another company. Not so with the iPhone.

cellocello said:
If you ran a General Store in a town, the only store in this small town, and I stormed in and demanded that you sell my product - would you give in?
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Again with the fail. You'd still be free to start your own store in town and sell your product. You could sell it to your neighbors door-to-door. You can do any number of things and the owner of the general store would be free to sell whatever products he wishes.

cellocello said:
But I mean ... it's their store.
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I agree. Let apple sell whatever apps they want for whatever reasons they have in their own App store - so long as you can officially get apps elsewhere.

cellocello said:
I mean ... ya sure, that sucks ... but what are you going to do about it?
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Um... maybe file complaints with consumer bodies that can do something - or did you miss the entire point of the post :confused:
 
cellocello said:
You're right - They're weak examples, because there's nothing really analogous to the app store else where in the commercial world.

But I mean ... it's their store. That's the bottom line. Not sure what else anyone can say. If you ran a General Store in a town, the only store in this small town, and I stormed in and demanded that you sell my product - would you give in? Would you just say yes willy nilly? What if I was a huge, multi-billion, multi-national corporation with a competing store (aka Google), would that make you say "Yes! Sounds good!"?

And the truth is, for me anyway, that the truer Apple stays to their vision the richer the competitive field will be. Apple being "extra closed" will force Google to be "extra open" on Android. That service and product differential will benefit everyone in the end.
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I was only kidding about by GM submissions. :D

However to all Apple lovers, making, people, places things bend to the will of the people is what America is all about. I don't know what the will of the Apple community is, don't care. However if a person wants to try, they should be allowed as long as it is not harming anyone or threatening a life.

This country was not founded on the weak willed, weak minded. You enjoy the things you do because the people before you made it happen.
 
Eso said:
None of your hypothetical situations are meaningful in this context. For example, Wal-mart is not the sole distributor of widgets. If WalMart doesn't sell your product, you are free to market, distribute, and sell on your own or through another company. Not so with the iPhone.
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See my "sole General Store in a small town" example in the post above.

Or, put another way, if I make my own product with its own eco system, and I sell it to people, and I let some people cash in with me, who says I have to let you in on the action?

sinsin07 said:
However to all Apple lovers, making, people, places things bend to the will of the people is what America is all about. I don't know what the will of the Apple community is, don't care. However if a person wants to try, they should be allowed as long as it is not harming anyone or threatening a life.

This country was not founded on the weak willed, weak minded. You enjoy the things you do because the people before you made it happen.
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Uh ... instead of trying to "bend wills" maybe these people should start their own competing company and produce a competing product.

I think that's more in the line with the capitalistic roots of America, then the litigious mess it is now.
 
cellocello said:
Uh ... instead of trying to "bend wills" maybe these people should start their own competing company and produce a competing product.

I think that's more in the line with the capitalistic roots of America, then the litigious mess it is now.
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That is certainly an option, however trying to make a change in something you don't like is the American way, I think there some number of examples in history. There is nothing wrong with telling Apple how you feel. The very fact this forum exists with it many varied opinions proofs shows living in America you have the right to say what you want, to a certain extent.

The problem I see here is Apple fans unwilling or unable to think outside of the Apple crate. Thus the picture in the first post makes a perfect example.

Eso said:
...and void our hardware warranties to boot!
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Do you work for Apple?

Small White Car said:
People 'like that' spend way, WAY more money than people like you do. Mostly just because of their numbers.

So...uh...sorry, but tough luck!
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Speculation not fact.
 
sinsin07 said:
That is certainly an option, however trying to make a change in something you don't like is the American way, I think there some number of examples in history. There is nothing wrong with telling Apple how you feel. The very fact this forum exists with it many varied opinions proofs shows living in America you have the right to say what you want, to a certain extent.

The problem I see here is Apple fans unwilling or unable to think outside of the Apple crate. Thus the picture in the first post makes a perfect example.
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hahah ... yeah, it's a picture of all the complainers ;)

Sure, you don't like Apple's policies concerning the Apple app store on the Apple iPhone. Write a letter, good for you. Maybe they'll change, maybe they won't. What do I know?

Of course people have the right to say what they want. And have the right to assemble. But Apple also has the right to say X is allowed in their store and Y isn't. That's the great thing about freedom!

You're also free to jailbreak - it's the best of both world!

I guess I just don't sweat it. If I really really needed the application elbow room, I'd get a WinMo device. Where anything goes, right? I just don't get the beef.

Sony digital music players used to only play ATRAC (remember that?). That was Sony's right. No one bought it. That was the population's right. Sony changed and now makes mp3 players. The system works!
 
cellocello said:
Sony digital music players used to only play ATRAC (remember that?). That was Sony's right. No one bought it. That was the population's right. Sony changed and now makes mp3 players. The system works!
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I think you just validated the whole point of the OP's thread.
 
sinsin07 said:
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Speculation not fact.
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So if I say more cars in America use rubber tires than stone tires, would you require me to source that?

Just how obvious does something have to be before you'll label it a 'fact?'

sinsin07 said:
I think you just validated the whole point of the OP's thread.
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No. People didn't buy Sony's stuff. They changed.

When people stop buying Apple's stuff, Apple will change.

So the thread IS pointless. Change will come when people stop buying iPhones. That's all there is to it.
 
cellocello said:
Sony digital music players used to only play ATRAC (remember that?). That was Sony's right. No one bought it. That was the population's right. Sony changed and now makes mp3 players. The system works!
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Damn Sony and their superior proprietary technologies. Betamax. ATRAC. Blu-Ray. (Guess they finally figured out how to make that one fly...)
 
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