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Web Browsers

What browser do you use in X?

  • Internet Explorer

    Votes: 73 67.6%

  • Netscape

    Votes: 7 6.5%

  • OmniWeb

    Votes: 15 13.9%

  • iCab

    Votes: 2 1.9%

  • Opera

    Votes: 4 3.7%

  • Mozilla

    Votes: 6 5.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Total voters
    108
Apple/Macrumors fight

I just tried doing the apple.com and then macrumors.com thing, just as Ambitious Lemon was having problems with, and it did crash for me.. However, that was before I let the entire Apple page load. So, it crashed when I did that and then I tried again, but I let the whole page load. It works fine. I think we all just need to be a little more patient. :)

As for me, OmniWeb 4.1 is my browser of choice. Awesome browser. Looks better than any other browser out there, it's faster, and renders pages really well. Sometimes, it'll render pages a little "goofily" and I sometimes have to launch IE for order forms and whatnot, but otherwise, it's awesome.

I see it mainly as an alternative to IE, and though IE does work with pretty much EVERY page out there, it doesn't use Quartz anti-aliasing. Pages just look SO SO much nicer with anti-aliasing.
 
Am i alone here?

Am I the only one who notices that Macrumors forums look truly godawful in IE, but fine in OmniWeb? Also, there are some funky side effects to veiwing these forums in Windows IE: the scroll bar turns purple. Truly wierd. Anyway, OW 4.0.6 works fine for most stuff and 4.1 beta works for most of the rest, with the one exception of any page after apple.com.
 
Scab Cake: Did you do anything else besides let apple load completely. i was pretty excited when i read your post, but i couldnt get it to work. i am using MacOSX.1.2 and OmniWeb 4.1 beta 1 (v332) on a clean install (2 hours running and runs so much better after a clean install, guess i just need to install osx every month to keep it running nicely!). Went to Apple let it load completely and went directly from apple's page to macrumors and crash just like clockwork. No big deal, but I happen to go between Apple and MacRumors often.
 
Mozilla 0.9.8

Simply the fastest, best browser there is for OS X.

Download Mozilla and give it a spin. It's not Aqua enough. It's not pretty.

It just works better than everything else.

OmniWeb has been pretty, but slow. The limited "Forward" and "Back" buttons have also been annoying. I am trying 4.1b right now though (fingers crossed). It's definitely faster than 4.0.6, but it's already crashed twice in about 10 min. Looks very promising, though.

IE sucks. Slow. Buggy. M$.

Chris
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several people have mentioned the "limited forward and backward" buttons in omniweb. i have no idea what this means. what are you guys having a problem with exactly?
 
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
several people have mentioned the "limited forward and backward" buttons in omniweb. i have no idea what this means. what are you guys having a problem with exactly?
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Well, I might be wrong, but they may be talking about the observation that when one goes to the back button and holds down the mouse, one does not get the list of pages one has visited, so one has to keep clicking and clicking and clicking...

If that supposition is correct, then may I direct those of you who feel that that particular bit of OmniWeb is most annoying, to simply look for the little black down arrow next to the back and forward buttons. There, the "missing function" is revealed.

(again, assuming that I'm touching upon what's actually being discussed...I'd like to point out that I'd STILL rather have OmniWeb act like other browsers in the aformentioned respect...but, hey, it's pretty, and I still use it on OS X)
 
i really prefer the black arrow over the holding down on the button, i think it is a far more elegant feature. if this is what people are referring to then they have some serious issues if they didnt realize they could still go back multiple pages. this is one of the first features that seems to jump out to most users.come on people learn to use software before you criticize it. ominiweb does have some problems but this is not one of them. of course all this is assuming that voicegy guessed right about what these people are complaining about.
 
Clarification

AmbitiousLemon.

The last official release of OmniWeb is 4.0.6. It does not have little arrows beneath the Forward and Back buttons. This is/was a huge limitation. It is also a beautiful piece of software that shows promise, but is too damn slow.

I have downloaded the 4.1b1 and have begun to try it as a result of some earlier comments in this thread. It does have the little arrows. It is also a beautiful piece of software that is much faster than it's predecessor. I will try to use it extensively for a week or so, but am already finding it rather crash-prone.

Save the condescending crap for the 12 year-olds and morons. I know how to use software. Please ask questions (like you did) and wait for answers if you do not understand something.

Chris
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Re: Clarification

Originally posted by chmorley
Save the condescending crap for the 12 year-olds and morons. I know how to use software. Please ask questions (like you did) and wait for answers if you do not understand something.

Chris
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— Goethe
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chmorley: I appreciate your attempyt to prevent people form being condescending but i find your comments quite offensive and, yes, condescending. i was taking offense to all the morons around here who attack a piece of software for features that they are too stupid to find. it ok not to know how to do something (like use a certain button) and its ok to criticsize something if you know what you are talking about. i began this thread by asking questions and i have continued to ask questions where my knowledge or experience is limited. what i dont like is a bunch of people sounding off saying IE is the best cuz it has all these extra features when that is not true. I was hoping for information and assumed these people were telling the truth and speaking from knowledge. Im sure others read these threads looking for information as well. It is not productive to criticsize if you do not know what you are talking about and this is what i was talking about in my last post. i find it laughable that you launch into your little tyraid browbeating me regarding features and then close with your comment about not being condescending and leaving that to 12 year olds and morons. if you want to be a hypocrite go ahead but do try not to be such a bigot. i may not have been a 12 year old in a decade but let me tell you most of the 12 year olds i know are significantly more diplomatic than you seem to be. and comparing someone to a moron just because of their age is as insulting as comparing someone to a moron because of their skin color. if you want to play peace maker more power to you, we need more around here, but leave the attitude and bigotry at the door before you try to be self-righteous.
 
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
i really prefer the black arrow over the holding down on the button, i think it is a far more elegant feature. if this is what people are referring to then they have some serious issues if they didnt realize they could still go back multiple pages. this is one of the first features that seems to jump out to most users.come on people learn to use software before you criticize it.
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This is what I was referring to. This is condescending.

I am not sure what you are referring to about my tirade. I actually think my response is pretty measured. If you read the first version of my post (which was up for about 90 seconds), I apologize. I read it and realized it was over the line, and edited it immediately, hoping no one had read it.

"12 year-olds and morons" implies 1. they are two different groups (which is why I used "and"), and 2. these are the groups to whom people usually condescend in these forums. There was no implication that a) 12 year-olds are morons, b) either of these groups should be treated badly, or c) that you were a member of either group.

Most of the post is simply factual, so I'm not sure how it's "condescending". I probably overreacted to your condescending remarks. Forums such as these seem to change discussions such as these, which would be much simpler in person, as questions could be answered immediately before the discussion progressed.

Anyway, I agree that IE is inferior. It is frustrating that so many people will not try other stuff long enough to recognize this. I try everything I can to know what my alternatives are. It's good to see OmniWeb progressing. I hope it can become fast and stable enough to be my full-time browser.

Chris
 
sadly I use IE .... because it supports at some level CSS / java / XML

all the other browsers don't come near to IE's support ... sad but true

yeah omniweb loads pages faster than IE ... but if you can't view the page what's the use of speed?

:mad:
 
In the proud tradition of Microsoft's Mac Business Unit, IE for Mac is still a better product than its Windows counterpart. Like many have said already, OmniWeb is a gorgeous browser, but until they iron out the CSS and JavaScript issues, it just can't become my first choice. I do have 4.1 beta 1, and it still isn't there yet.
 
Ive recently revisited Mozilla (.98) and have been pretty impressed. Yes its ugly (but not as ugly as ie), but it seems pretty fast and i havent come across a webpage yet that it has problems with (im sure there are some but i have yet to come across them). i think this will be my new browser of choice in osx. one thing that bothers me is the time it takes it open a new browser window. it rarely responds to a command-N command and when it does it slow. odd little bug. also they really need a better icon. a big blue M? been looking for a good third party replacement but havent found anything yet.

for those of you who use netscape, i would definitely suggest trying mozilla. its the same browser without all the aol stuff.

i havent spent a lot of time exploring it yet (havent even looked at the tabs everyone is raving about... could someone explain the benefits of these to me?)

still in the end i think omniweb has the most unrealized potencial so ill keep checking in when a new beta comes out. i think this would be a great purchase for apple.

havent heard much from the iCab camp. i checked it out sometime ago now. what those of you have tried iCab recently think about it? id love to hear more about it.
 
Re: I'm using a...

Never thought I'd see the day when Netscape became my default again, but 6.2 is really good, way better than IE 5 and more standards-compliant than other Mac browsers. iCab and Omni need *way* more work on that score...
 
Cocoa Mozilla: Chimera 0.11 Ready To Roll

Here is a new browser -
"Mozilla.org has made available an early released of Chimera, a Cocoa enabled web browser. Chimera is a work in progress and is current at version 0.11, it brings together a UNIX based browser and a Cocoa UI"

very promising.... but the 0.11 version is unusable - you can't input any forms, scrolling is extremely slow.. crashes a few times..no java support.. but UI is excellent and page rendering is very fast. i really like the side bar.. hopefully, by 1.0, we will have one of the best native browser.
 
wow jaykk. thats exciting. several people (perhaps myself) mentioned wanting mozilla in cocoa but i have to admit i didnt think it would happen. this is good news. ill stay tuned and watch this baby develop.
 
is it taking advantage of quartz (font antialiasing a-la OmniWeb) ?? the tabbed mode is interesting, seems like a nice alternative to new windows. This seems somewhat promising as a browser, but its got a lot of ground to make up on Omni.
 
Chimera

Interesting. Seems to show some promise. I'm with sparkleytone, though--it looks Carbon, not Cocoa. I probably don't understand fully, but I thought that all Cocoa apps took advantage of Quartz anti-aliasing. Maybe the Cocoa front-end isn't done yet?

Looking more closely, the front end is definitely not Cocoa yet. The pull-downs are more Gecko than Cocoa. I wonder if Gecko can incorporate Cocoa/Aqua standards. Anyone know?

This seems promising, though--a Cocoa version of Mozilla...It could end up looking as beautiful as OmniWeb, be as compliant and stable as Netscape, and be as fast as Mozilla.

:eek:
Can you see that bit of drool hanging out of the corner of my mouth?

Chris
 
Chimera improvements

This may end up being the one we've been wishing for.

Still not really usable as my primary browser, it is looking really good. It is faster and more stable than before. While they still are not using Quartz anti-aliasing, they state that it is getting closer. Sure, the UI doesn't seem completely finished, and I can't seem to enter a URL manually, but given how quickly it is progressing, this could be the one...soon.

I am curious to find what other people think.

Chris
 
it took me awhile but...

i finally downloaded Chimera.

wow.

i havent been impressed by an application like this in a long time.

this baby is fast.

no its not done, but i think im going to use this now as my primary browser (v0.1.3). There are a few annoying ticks but im sure these will fall out quickly. and you can see where there are features left to be filled in.

screw everything else, this is my browser.

wow.

just wow.

you guys have to check this out.

wow.

and a quick edit: anyone know of where one can find an icon for chimera (or mozilla for that matter)? anyone one want to make one?

i thought i saw a aqualooking mozilla dino somewhere for chimera but cant seem to locate it. the default application icon for chimera just doesnt look good in my dock. :(
 
I know it's not popular, but I use Netscape 6.2.1. It is fast, but not entirely pretty or stable. My dad says Netscape for OS 9 loads pages in an instant (compared to Communicator 4.7), but I am using dial-up at 28.8K, so anything loads slow, no matter what browser I use.
 
I came back to IE

for the last month or two, i have been using only OmniWeb. I never opened up any browser at all. I liked the look of OW far more than IE, and all pages just looked nicer with the AA. It still had a few problems though. The stop button never seemed to work right, I had crashes every once in a while, and there were a few pages that only worked with IE or netscape. Those problems bugged me, but I had grown so attached to the look of OW that i didnt want to let it go. IE never looked that pretty......however i got it to look close.

First, i played with the look of IE with the preferences so that it emulated OW a little more (it made it look "cleaner"). Then, i used TinkerTool to use AA in carbon apps. Sure it doesnt look as good as OW, but it was an improvement and i enjoy the fact that IE is extremely well supported.

Here's a pic of how i use IE. Maybe it'll give ya a few tricks to try out:
 

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tip: get mozilla

Originally posted by King Cobra
I know it's not popular, but I use Netscape 6.2.1. It is fast, but not entirely pretty or stable. My dad says Netscape for OS 9 loads pages in an instant (compared to Communicator 4.7), but I am using dial-up at 28.8K, so anything loads slow, no matter what browser I use.
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i used netscape too, but when i got os x and had to download carbon versions of all my stuff, i decided to check out mozilla first. i have no intentions of ever downloading netscape 6, it's a waste of time.

mozilla is identical to netscape, with the same interface except:
- a TINY bit faster
- more feachers, once you've had tabs you can't go back
- opening new windows is WAY faster YAY!
- less bugs
- doesn't send every page's address you load to AOL's records

but now there's chimera, i love it! but it's just missing to many things. i use it for a while, then find i have to go into some other browser anyway. when it's finnished, it will be the ONLY choice! did you know they plan on adding OmniWeb's quartz page rendering? cool! chimera is TWICE AS FAST as IE (almost), and WAY faster than Omni + opera.
 
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